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Re: Wolves 2017 Draft Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:05 am
by bleedspeed
CoolBreeze44 wrote:bleedspeed177 wrote:
You're going to have to wait a year on Bridges, he's headed back to school for another year.
That is why I said liked.
Re: Wolves 2017 Draft Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:07 am
by bleedspeed
Is Collins a Porzingis type athlete without 3pt shot? Who would be comp for him?
Re: Wolves 2017 Draft Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:10 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
bleedspeed177 wrote:Is Collins a Porzingis type athlete without 3pt shot? Who would be comp for him?
Bleed, he seems more like a Gasol or Lopez brother than Porzingis. He certainly doesn't have the length of Porzy, but seems to have a nice combination of strength, toughness, and inside/outside skills. I do think he needs to add another 20+ lbs. of muscle, but his frame seems very capable of carrying added heft.
By the way, I don't think Collins is a guy that could contribute much next year and perhaps not the year after either. His aggressive style of play and whiteness will make him a magnet for fouls. The officials usually just murder guys like him (although he's not from Europe, so that helps).
The reason I'd be fine with Collins is because we already have some big-man depth with KAT, Dieng, and Aldrich. He could work on his game, go to the D-league and get some spot minutes in blowouts. And while I don't consider him a "project", the reality is that he is still very young and it's just really, really hard for a big man Center to adjust to the NBA game. We could (hopefully) bring him along slowly.
Re: Wolves 2017 Draft Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:15 pm
by bleedspeed
Q - Good stuff. Who is a bigger project? Issac or Collins? Who has a higher ceiling?
Re: Wolves 2017 Draft Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:36 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
bleedspeed177 wrote:Q - Good stuff. Who is a bigger project? Issac or Collins? Who has a higher ceiling?
Not sure. I didn't see Isaac enough to have much of an opinion on him.
Here is my problem with drafting a wing. Rush and Bazz are most likely gone this offseason. So that leaves Wiggins and LaVine on the wings, along with Dunn, who can play some SG minutes. So if we take a lottery pick wing like Jackson, Tatum, or Isaac, they will almost certainly be expected to play some fairly significant minutes, especially since LaVine may not even be back by the start of next season. I am totally against being reliant on any rookie next season in our top 8-9 man rotation.
With Collins, we have more of the luxury to develop him slowly. It also enables us to really focus on forwards in free agency.
Re: Wolves 2017 Draft Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:38 pm
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
bleedspeed177 wrote:Q - Good stuff. Who is a bigger project? Issac or Collins? Who has a higher ceiling?
Depends. I think Isaac is a bigger project overall just because he is years from being strong enough to play where he should at the 4. He's gonna get bullied pretty easily like Ingram did this year. However, Collins is also probably at least 2 years away from being able to stay out of foul trouble. So Isaac could come along quicker if he can just use his length to overcome some of the strength issues, but Collins could come along quicker if he learns how to play fundamental defense and not foul as much. I would say outside of the top 3, they are the two highest ceiling players in the draft, but they are 2-3-4 years away from getting the real value of drafting them. I think you can really go with either and as long as you bring in a vet big to hold the spot for a few years you'll be fine in the long run.
Re: Wolves 2017 Draft Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:17 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
I don't think I'd approach the draft with drafting the most ready to play guy. Look at how many seniors and juniors are projected to go in the lottery Virtually none and I sure don't want to squander our top pick on an upperclassman. I want the guy who will be the best guy in 3, 4 and 5 years down the road when we expect to compete for a title. That said, it wouldn't shock me if a guy like Isaac is a positive contributor to our rotation by the end of the first year or during his second year.
Re: Wolves 2017 Draft Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:40 pm
by SameOldNudityDrew
Isaac is so freakin' skinny and he has narrow shoulders so it's not like he's going to be able to add a lot of weight. His skeletal frame itself is really skinny. Unless a guy is Kevin Durant good, that makes me incredibly wary.
Re: Wolves 2017 Draft Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:52 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
TeamRicky wrote:I don't think I'd approach the draft with drafting the most ready to play guy. Look at how many seniors and juniors are projected to go in the lottery Virtually none and I sure don't want to squander our top pick on an upperclassman. I want the guy who will be the best guy in 3, 4 and 5 years down the road when we expect to compete for a title. That said, it wouldn't shock me if a guy like Isaac is a positive contributor to our rotation by the end of the first year or during his second year.
Has anyone suggested that?
I think the bigger question is whether we end up trading the guy we pick.
Re: Wolves 2017 Draft Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:59 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
SameOldNudityDrew wrote:Isaac is so freakin' skinny and he has narrow shoulders so it's not like he's going to be able to add a lot of weight. His skeletal frame itself is really skinny. Unless a guy is Kevin Durant good, that makes me incredibly wary.
The whole weight/strength issue is very vexing when it comes to evaluating draft prospects. You look at guys like KG and AK47 - two very skinny guys - and they ended up being a couple of the best all around defensive players of their generation.
One thing teams need to do a better job at is testing for core strength and balance, as I think a guy like KG or Marcus Camby (another skinny guy that had big success playing Center) have these other physical traits that counteract their light upper body. Dieng is a perfect example of the exact opposite. He has plenty of length and has actually put on some weight, but his core strength and poor balance makes him very easy to move on the interior. He often ends up sprawled out on the floor way too often. KAT struggles too at times maintaining his position, even though his upper body appears to be pretty well developed.