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I've given a lot of thought lately to what the Wolves should and likely will do. My prediction is that the Wolves will trade for Jimmy Butler. I'm convinced the Bulls are going enter full rebuild mode this summer and Butler will be their key to getting draft assets to jump start their rebuild. We will likely have a top 6 pick and could have a top 3, which the Bulls would covet. The Celtics will have the best collection of the sort of assets the Bulls would want in exchange for Butler. But Thibs' single-minded obsession with the guys he coached with the Bulls suggests he'll give up a lot to compete for Butler. If we end up with a top 3 pick, I guarantee we'll end up with Butler. If it's #6, then I'd say it's 60/40 we end up with Butler.

lipoli390 wrote:I've given a lot of thought lately to what the Wolves should and likely will do. My prediction is that the Wolves will trade for Jimmy Butler. I'm convinced the Bulls are going enter full rebuild mode this summer and Butler will be their key to getting draft assets to jump start their rebuild. We will likely have a top 6 pick and could have a top 3, which the Bulls would covet. The Celtics will have the best collection of the sort of assets the Bulls would want in exchange for Butler. But Thibs' single-minded obsession with the guys he coached with the Bulls suggests he'll give up a lot to compete for Butler. If we end up with a top 3 pick, I guarantee we'll end up with Butler. If it's #6, then I'd say it's 60/40 we end up with Butler.

It is a possibility but I think you are way to harsh on Thibs saying he has an obsession with his former players.

Butler: Rumored lavine and draft rights for Dunn on draft night trade not made.

Deng: rumored on him in the offseason, not on team.

Noah: Same as Deng rumored but not on the team.

Rose: all we heard is it was a done deal rubio for rose. Well no trade was made.

Gasol: The one player I think we tried hard to get not on the team.

Snell: Rumored near the trade deadline. Not on the team.

For all his obsession over these players none are on the roster. Makes it feel to me that the media is trying to connect the dots that are not there.

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:I've given a lot of thought lately to what the Wolves should and likely will do. My prediction is that the Wolves will trade for Jimmy Butler. I'm convinced the Bulls are going enter full rebuild mode this summer and Butler will be their key to getting draft assets to jump start their rebuild. We will likely have a top 6 pick and could have a top 3, which the Bulls would covet. The Celtics will have the best collection of the sort of assets the Bulls would want in exchange for Butler. But Thibs' single-minded obsession with the guys he coached with the Bulls suggests he'll give up a lot to compete for Butler. If we end up with a top 3 pick, I guarantee we'll end up with Butler. If it's #6, then I'd say it's 60/40 we end up with Butler.

It is a possibility but I think you are way to harsh on Thibs saying he has an obsession with his former players.

Butler: Rumored lavine and draft rights for Dunn on draft night trade not made.

Deng: rumored on him in the offseason, not on team.

Noah: Same as Deng rumored but not on the team.

Rose: all we heard is it was a done deal rubio for rose. Well no trade was made.

Gasol: The one player I think we tried hard to get not on the team.

Snell: Rumored near the trade deadline. Not on the team.

For all his obsession over these players none are on the roster. Makes it feel to me that the media is trying to connect the dots that are not there.

What? Fake News?!? ;-)

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:I've given a lot of thought lately to what the Wolves should and likely will do. My prediction is that the Wolves will trade for Jimmy Butler. I'm convinced the Bulls are going enter full rebuild mode this summer and Butler will be their key to getting draft assets to jump start their rebuild. We will likely have a top 6 pick and could have a top 3, which the Bulls would covet. The Celtics will have the best collection of the sort of assets the Bulls would want in exchange for Butler. But Thibs' single-minded obsession with the guys he coached with the Bulls suggests he'll give up a lot to compete for Butler. If we end up with a top 3 pick, I guarantee we'll end up with Butler. If it's #6, then I'd say it's 60/40 we end up with Butler.

It is a possibility but I think you are way to harsh on Thibs saying he has an obsession with his former players.

Butler: Rumored lavine and draft rights for Dunn on draft night trade not made.

Deng: rumored on him in the offseason, not on team.

Noah: Same as Deng rumored but not on the team.

Rose: all we heard is it was a done deal rubio for rose. Well no trade was made.

Gasol: The one player I think we tried hard to get not on the team.

Snell: Rumored near the trade deadline. Not on the team.

For all his obsession over these players none are on the roster. Makes it feel to me that the media is trying to connect the dots that are not there.

Geek -- Your list can cut both ways. I think it illustrates my point. By all media accounts, Thibs pursued all the guys you mentioned. No reports at all about him pursuing any other players via trade or free agency. That he pursued all these guys and no others to speak of is more telling than the fact that none of them ended up here. Apparently, our trade offers weren't enough for non-free agents and the money wasn't enough for the free agents. Or maybe the free agents didn't like playing for Thibs.

I guess all these reports from multiple sources could have been fake news manufactured by the sports media. But where there's smoke there tends to be fire.

lipoli390 wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:I like idea of trading for Rob Covington. Good fit next to Wiggins as a 3 & D guy and can start while LaVine rehabs. He had a down year shooting the ball, but was their best wing man and expected to do too much. No doubt Philly will take his 1mil team option on for next season, but I would wonder what it would take to pry him away? Doubt he's part of their long term plans.

What or who would you be willing to give up for Covington? I wouldn't trade our first round pick and the roster players I'd be willing to trade wouldn't be enough to pry him away. I really like Covington, but I don't see a realistic path to get him.

Because of that ridiculously low salary... his value is even higher than his production.

lipoli390 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:I've given a lot of thought lately to what the Wolves should and likely will do. My prediction is that the Wolves will trade for Jimmy Butler. I'm convinced the Bulls are going enter full rebuild mode this summer and Butler will be their key to getting draft assets to jump start their rebuild. We will likely have a top 6 pick and could have a top 3, which the Bulls would covet. The Celtics will have the best collection of the sort of assets the Bulls would want in exchange for Butler. But Thibs' single-minded obsession with the guys he coached with the Bulls suggests he'll give up a lot to compete for Butler. If we end up with a top 3 pick, I guarantee we'll end up with Butler. If it's #6, then I'd say it's 60/40 we end up with Butler.

It is a possibility but I think you are way to harsh on Thibs saying he has an obsession with his former players.

Butler: Rumored lavine and draft rights for Dunn on draft night trade not made.

Deng: rumored on him in the offseason, not on team.

Noah: Same as Deng rumored but not on the team.

Rose: all we heard is it was a done deal rubio for rose. Well no trade was made.

Gasol: The one player I think we tried hard to get not on the team.

Snell: Rumored near the trade deadline. Not on the team.

For all his obsession over these players none are on the roster. Makes it feel to me that the media is trying to connect the dots that are not there.

Geek -- Your list can cut both ways. I think it illustrates my point. By all media accounts, Thibs pursued all the guys you mentioned. No reports at all about him pursuing any other players via trade or free agency. That he pursued all these guys and no others to speak of is more telling than the fact that none of them ended up here. Apparently, our trade offers weren't enough for non-free agents and the money wasn't enough for the free agents. Or maybe the free agents didn't like playing for Thibs.

I guess all these reports from multiple sources could have been fake news manufactured by the sports media. But where there's smoke there tends to be fire.

You might be right but for am organization that is so tight lipped (I think you would agree at least comparing old front offices) that everything all our plans are out in the open.

The guy I respect the most is APsports guy and he said the Rubio trade was not even close to being done but all the national media said it was all but done. The one guy APsorts guy has said we tried hard on was gasol and he decided the spurs instead.

Also the Chicago beat guy is on with barriero time to time and he keeps saying the Bulls front office still won't deal with Thibs because they feel like they don't want to be played by him and still dislike him. Now this guy is a thibs lover but I find it hard to believe that the local guys are saying things differently than the national guys.

I will go down with APsports guy because I respect his work so much

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:I like idea of trading for Rob Covington. Good fit next to Wiggins as a 3 & D guy and can start while LaVine rehabs. He had a down year shooting the ball, but was their best wing man and expected to do too much. No doubt Philly will take his 1mil team option on for next season, but I would wonder what it would take to pry him away? Doubt he's part of their long term plans.

What or who would you be willing to give up for Covington? I wouldn't trade our first round pick and the roster players I'd be willing to trade wouldn't be enough to pry him away. I really like Covington, but I don't see a realistic path to get him.

Because of that ridiculously low salary... his value is even higher than his production.

The Sixers don't need more draft picks and they don't exactly have established wing players that are shooters which is what they need. They don't want to suck anymore so Covington has value to them. I don't see anything the Wolves are gonna give up to get a possible Trevor Ariza type player from the Sixers at this point. He would be an easy player to move to a playoff team next year (if they find they have guys to replace him) because of his low salary.

The Wolves aren't getting Jimmy Butler. Just get over it.

monsterpile wrote:The Wolves aren't getting Jimmy Butler. Just get over it.

Lol. Nothing to get over for me. I've never wanted to trade for Butler. He was a 65-game per season guy in his youth because of various different injuries. He's one of those guys that Bud Grant used to refer to when he said "it's always the same guys in the training room," meaning it's the same guys who keep missing games with one injury or another. But I think Thibs really wants Butler. And as much as the Bulls front office/ownership might detest Thibs, they'll do a deal with him if they think it helps their rebuild.

lipoli390 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:I've given a lot of thought lately to what the Wolves should and likely will do. My prediction is that the Wolves will trade for Jimmy Butler. I'm convinced the Bulls are going enter full rebuild mode this summer and Butler will be their key to getting draft assets to jump start their rebuild. We will likely have a top 6 pick and could have a top 3, which the Bulls would covet. The Celtics will have the best collection of the sort of assets the Bulls would want in exchange for Butler. But Thibs' single-minded obsession with the guys he coached with the Bulls suggests he'll give up a lot to compete for Butler. If we end up with a top 3 pick, I guarantee we'll end up with Butler. If it's #6, then I'd say it's 60/40 we end up with Butler.

It is a possibility but I think you are way to harsh on Thibs saying he has an obsession with his former players.

Butler: Rumored lavine and draft rights for Dunn on draft night trade not made.

Deng: rumored on him in the offseason, not on team.

Noah: Same as Deng rumored but not on the team.

Rose: all we heard is it was a done deal rubio for rose. Well no trade was made.

Gasol: The one player I think we tried hard to get not on the team.

Snell: Rumored near the trade deadline. Not on the team.

For all his obsession over these players none are on the roster. Makes it feel to me that the media is trying to connect the dots that are not there.

Geek -- Your list can cut both ways. I think it illustrates my point. By all media accounts, Thibs pursued all the guys you mentioned. No reports at all about him pursuing any other players via trade or free agency. That he pursued all these guys and no others to speak of is more telling than the fact that none of them ended up here. Apparently, our trade offers weren't enough for non-free agents and the money wasn't enough for the free agents. Or maybe the free agents didn't like playing for Thibs.

I guess all these reports from multiple sources could have been fake news manufactured by the sports media. But where there's smoke there tends to be fire.

So I guess those Reggie Jackson rumors never happened and we didn't sign 3 free agents who weren't Bulls when we had the money to sign any of the ones we wanted.