Camden wrote:Malik Beasley shot 2-12 yesterday in Utah's first preseason game. He might go 8-12 in their next. But that's exactly what he does. You never know which guy shows up. And when the shot is off you get absolutely nothing from him. One less headache for Minnesota this season.
I think Beasley played more winning basketball down the stretch but replacing him with Brynn Forbes means I don't really worry too much about not having Beasley the roster. If we need a shooter call Bryn Forbes name. Just looking at their stats from last year it's not hard to make a case Forbes was a better offensive player that season than Beasley.
The thing you get with Beasley is elite volume....I mean he can get up a massive amount of 3's at a decent percentage, to the point where he almost rivals Steph Curry in this regard. Now of course Curry is a better ball handler, passer, mid-range shooter, finisher, and defender. But strictly as a 3-point shooter, Beasley is really, really dangerous. I don't quite put Forbes in his category.
Yes the volume is great but Forbes is a better shooter by percentage though (41% from 3 for his career) and over the past 3 seasons Forbes has been by far the more efficient player. This goes back to what Cam brought up that Beasley jacks up a ton of 3's but it's not always beneficial. Again I pointed out that last year it's easy to argue that Forbes was simply a better offensive player of the 2. Yes Beasley got up a higher volume but he only made 1 more 3 a game per 36 and Beasley took just a slightly higher amount of shots overall per 36 but Forbes scored more points per minute. Which guy is actually more dangerous? Have you been tuning in to see Bryn Forbes a lot? :)
Again I'm comparing these guys in general and then saying one is getting the league minimum and the other guy is what like 15 million? If I could pick I would take Beasley but it seems to me the gap isn't very wide and Forbes is a guy that's played in 42 playoff games.
I'll also add something I've thought even during last season. It's no guarantee that Beasley will put up that massive volume of 3's again like he did last year. He might drop down to more like 9 or maybe even 10 3's per 36 and that wouldn't be THAT many more than what Forbes has been doing the past few years.
Camden wrote:Malik Beasley shot 2-12 yesterday in Utah's first preseason game. He might go 8-12 in their next. But that's exactly what he does. You never know which guy shows up. And when the shot is off you get absolutely nothing from him. One less headache for Minnesota this season.
I think Beasley played more winning basketball down the stretch but replacing him with Brynn Forbes means I don't really worry too much about not having Beasley the roster. If we need a shooter call Bryn Forbes name. Just looking at their stats from last year it's not hard to make a case Forbes was a better offensive player that season than Beasley.
The thing you get with Beasley is elite volume....I mean he can get up a massive amount of 3's at a decent percentage, to the point where he almost rivals Steph Curry in this regard. Now of course Curry is a better ball handler, passer, mid-range shooter, finisher, and defender. But strictly as a 3-point shooter, Beasley is really, really dangerous. I don't quite put Forbes in his category.
Yes the volume is great but Forbes is a better shooter by percentage though (41% from 3 for his career) and over the past 3 seasons Forbes has been by far the more efficient player. This goes back to what Cam brought up that Beasley jacks up a ton of 3's but it's not always beneficial. Again I pointed out that last year it's easy to argue that Forbes was simply a better offensive player of the 2. Yes Beasley got up a higher volume but he only made 1 more 3 a game per 36 and Beasley took just a slightly higher amount of shots overall per 36 but Forbes scored more points per minute. Which guy is actually more dangerous? Have you been tuning in to see Bryn Forbes a lot? :)
Again I'm comparing these guys in general and then saying one is getting the league minimum and the other guy is what like 15 million? If I could pick I would take Beasley but it seems to me the gap isn't very wide and Forbes is a guy that's played in 42 playoff games.
I'll also add something I've thought even during last season. It's no guarantee that Beasley will put up that massive volume of 3's again like he did last year. He might drop down to more like 9 or maybe even 10 3's per 36 and that wouldn't be THAT many more than what Forbes has been doing the past few years.
Last year was a weird season for Beasley. He probably did force up some 3's he didn't have to at the expense of putting the ball on the deck. I think Finch really wanted him to be that microwave-type scorer that could shoot us back into a game or help extend the lead.....didn't always work out that way, especially early in the season when he and half the rest of our roster couldn't hit the side of a barn.
I'm fine with Forbes. The fact we have him and Rivers as potential 3rd stringers on the depth chart is kind of incredible in fact. We've come a long ways thanks to Rosas and Connelly.
Camden wrote:Malik Beasley shot 2-12 yesterday in Utah's first preseason game. He might go 8-12 in their next. But that's exactly what he does. You never know which guy shows up. And when the shot is off you get absolutely nothing from him. One less headache for Minnesota this season.
I think Beasley played more winning basketball down the stretch but replacing him with Brynn Forbes means I don't really worry too much about not having Beasley the roster. If we need a shooter call Bryn Forbes name. Just looking at their stats from last year it's not hard to make a case Forbes was a better offensive player that season than Beasley.
The thing you get with Beasley is elite volume....I mean he can get up a massive amount of 3's at a decent percentage, to the point where he almost rivals Steph Curry in this regard. Now of course Curry is a better ball handler, passer, mid-range shooter, finisher, and defender. But strictly as a 3-point shooter, Beasley is really, really dangerous. I don't quite put Forbes in his category.
Yes the volume is great but Forbes is a better shooter by percentage though (41% from 3 for his career) and over the past 3 seasons Forbes has been by far the more efficient player. This goes back to what Cam brought up that Beasley jacks up a ton of 3's but it's not always beneficial. Again I pointed out that last year it's easy to argue that Forbes was simply a better offensive player of the 2. Yes Beasley got up a higher volume but he only made 1 more 3 a game per 36 and Beasley took just a slightly higher amount of shots overall per 36 but Forbes scored more points per minute. Which guy is actually more dangerous? Have you been tuning in to see Bryn Forbes a lot? :)
Again I'm comparing these guys in general and then saying one is getting the league minimum and the other guy is what like 15 million? If I could pick I would take Beasley but it seems to me the gap isn't very wide and Forbes is a guy that's played in 42 playoff games.
I'll also add something I've thought even during last season. It's no guarantee that Beasley will put up that massive volume of 3's again like he did last year. He might drop down to more like 9 or maybe even 10 3's per 36 and that wouldn't be THAT many more than what Forbes has been doing the past few years.
Thanks for those comments, Monster...my sense is that Wolves fans are sleeping on Forbes a little. After 4 years in college and 7 in the NBA, we know who Bryn Forbes is...a flat-out dead-eye 3-point shooter. Look at his college and pro stats, and you will see a remarkably consistent 3-point shooter. Over 48% both of his years at Michigan State, and (other than his rookie year where he didn't play much) never below 39% in the pros...and over 40% his last three seasons. Among NBA players who have taken more than 1500 3's, he ranks 6th in percentage...right behind Steph Curry. And he didn't miss a beat in his first game with the Wolves, making 2 of his 3 3-pointers.
Forbes wasn't drafted and has been traded several times for one reason...size. At 6'2", he can be easily exploited on defense by bigger shooting guards. But we didn't have Malik on the roster for his defense either. With the weapons the Wolves will have on the court at all times, Forbes will get some open looks. And many years of history tells us he will make them at a higher rate than the guy he replaced on our roster.
The McLaughlin-Nowell-Forbes-Rivers playing time dilemma will be interesting to watch. You can't have all four in the rotation when the roster is healthy.
Q-was-here wrote:The McLaughlin-Nowell-Forbes-Rivers playing time dilemma will be interesting to watch. You can't have all four in the rotation when the roster is healthy.
It will be interesting to watch, Q, and all of them have intriguing skills...nice to have depth as many have said here. But I'm not worried about getting them all involved. There are way more games lost to injury and "rest" in today's NBA than in the past, and I suspect all 4 will get enough minutes this season. JMac and Nowell should be in the rotation every night. But Forbes and Rivers will get some DNP-CD's when everyone is healthy, and as veterans I think they know that. Still, Rivers' veteran presence and defense and Forbes' lights-out shooting will cause Finchie to call on them in certain situations. Again...nice to have depth, and this roster has it.
Forbes has a really quick release allowing him to get his shot off in tight windows. But he doesn't have much of a handle for a player his size and he is a bit of a liability on defense.
DeJounte Murray picked up where he left off last season in today's game against the Bucks. After almost averaging a triple-double and 20 points last season, he led the Hawks to a win today with 25 points, 9 assists, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks. Meanwhile, Capela was a bit underwhelming with 4 rebounds and 4 fouls in 19 minutes. I'm mentioning both because the Wolves were reportedly interested in trading for both this past summer.
Don't overlook this Orlando Magic team. I watched them beat the Grizzlies in a fun game tonight. Banchero was absolutely the right choice to take at the top of this year's draft. He is so talented and a great competitive streak. Wendell Carter Jr. is another really talented player just entering his prime. He was terrific tonight. Wagner is another talented young player on the Magic. I've never been a Cole Anthony fan, but I see what the Magic front office likes in him.
