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Re: Twins 2020 Off-season Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:36 pm
by Monster
jester1534 wrote:I was pondering today about the possibities of getting Whit Merrifield. I've been a big fan of him and he would 9 mil this year and then 12 mill the next two years and then a club option for the 4th year. I think he would be the perfect leadoff hitter for this team. Hes like Marwin were he can play anywhere. I figured you could trade Eddie for a pitcher and then trade for Merrfield to replace Eddie. I think a Killroff, Gordon and some prospect between 10-15 on our list could get it done. Merrifield is older I believe he's turning 32 this season.
I figured with this change you can have Kepler bat 4th.
Merrifield 9 mil (Bargin)
Polcanco 3.8 mil (Bargin)
Cruz 12 mil (Bargin)
Kepler 6 mil (Bargin)
Sano 6 mil (1 year of arb left)
Garver aka Mike Piazza 2mil (3 years arb left)
Marwin 9 mil
Arraez 550,000 and i think 6 years of arb
Buxton 3-4 millon (2 years of arb)
Wheeler 20 mil
Ray 20 mil
Berrios 5.4 mil (2 years of arb)
Odo 17.8mil
Hopefully Graterol by mid season 550,000 (7 years of arb)
116.2 sounds pretty reasonable for our starting 5 and starting lineup with 38.8 million coming off the books for next year with Cruz, Marwin and Odo.
I watched too many Royals condensed games this year so I was hyped on Merrifield reading your post. Then I went to the stats...good player I like him a lot and he is a good player but no way I give up what you are saying for a guy that has a .348 OBP last year. It seems like we already have a guy like him Arraez. He is a little young than Both of us thought he turns 31 in January.
Edit: I should add that I do think it's going to take a lot to pry Merrifield away from the Royals and it should. I just think For me giving up a top prospect like Killrof is too much.
Re: Twins 2020 Off-season Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:38 pm
by Jester1534
monsterpile wrote:jester1534 wrote:I was pondering today about the possibities of getting Whit Merrifield. I've been a big fan of him and he would 9 mil this year and then 12 mill the next two years and then a club option for the 4th year. I think he would be the perfect leadoff hitter for this team. Hes like Marwin were he can play anywhere. I figured you could trade Eddie for a pitcher and then trade for Merrfield to replace Eddie. I think a Killroff, Gordon and some prospect between 10-15 on our list could get it done. Merrifield is older I believe he's turning 32 this season.
I figured with this change you can have Kepler bat 4th.
Merrifield 9 mil (Bargin)
Polcanco 3.8 mil (Bargin)
Cruz 12 mil (Bargin)
Kepler 6 mil (Bargin)
Sano 6 mil (1 year of arb left)
Garver aka Mike Piazza 2mil (3 years arb left)
Marwin 9 mil
Arraez 550,000 and i think 6 years of arb
Buxton 3-4 millon (2 years of arb)
Wheeler 20 mil
Ray 20 mil
Berrios 5.4 mil (2 years of arb)
Odo 17.8mil
Hopefully Graterol by mid season 550,000 (7 years of arb)
116.2 sounds pretty reasonable for our starting 5 and starting lineup with 38.8 million coming off the books for next year with Cruz, Marwin and Odo.
I watched too many Royals condensed games this year so I was hyped on Merrifield reading your post. Then I went to the stats...good player I like him a lot and he is a good player but no way I give up what you are saying for a guy that has a .348 OBP last year. It seems like we already have a guy like him Arraez. He is a little young than Both of us thought he turns 31 in January.
Edit: I should add that I do think it's going to take a lot to pry Merrifield away from the Royals and it should. I just think For me giving up a top prospect like Killrof is too much.
I had to look but he ranked 57th in OBP in all of baseball which is pretty dang good. I think I'm ok with trading Killrof for because best case scenario he turns into Merrifield type bat in the line up.
Re: Twins 2020 Off-season Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:32 pm
by Monster
jester1534 wrote:monsterpile wrote:jester1534 wrote:I was pondering today about the possibities of getting Whit Merrifield. I've been a big fan of him and he would 9 mil this year and then 12 mill the next two years and then a club option for the 4th year. I think he would be the perfect leadoff hitter for this team. Hes like Marwin were he can play anywhere. I figured you could trade Eddie for a pitcher and then trade for Merrfield to replace Eddie. I think a Killroff, Gordon and some prospect between 10-15 on our list could get it done. Merrifield is older I believe he's turning 32 this season.
I figured with this change you can have Kepler bat 4th.
Merrifield 9 mil (Bargin)
Polcanco 3.8 mil (Bargin)
Cruz 12 mil (Bargin)
Kepler 6 mil (Bargin)
Sano 6 mil (1 year of arb left)
Garver aka Mike Piazza 2mil (3 years arb left)
Marwin 9 mil
Arraez 550,000 and i think 6 years of arb
Buxton 3-4 millon (2 years of arb)
Wheeler 20 mil
Ray 20 mil
Berrios 5.4 mil (2 years of arb)
Odo 17.8mil
Hopefully Graterol by mid season 550,000 (7 years of arb)
116.2 sounds pretty reasonable for our starting 5 and starting lineup with 38.8 million coming off the books for next year with Cruz, Marwin and Odo.
I watched too many Royals condensed games this year so I was hyped on Merrifield reading your post. Then I went to the stats...good player I like him a lot and he is a good player but no way I give up what you are saying for a guy that has a .348 OBP last year. It seems like we already have a guy like him Arraez. He is a little young than Both of us thought he turns 31 in January.
Edit: I should add that I do think it's going to take a lot to pry Merrifield away from the Royals and it should. I just think For me giving up a top prospect like Killrof is too much.
I had to look but he ranked 57th in OBP in all of baseball which is pretty dang good. I think I'm ok with trading Killrof for because best case scenario he turns into Merrifield type bat in the line up.
I'm not convinced. I think I would rather see what I have with Kirilloff package him for a starting pitcher than deal for Merrifield. Has your opinion of Kirilloff as a prospect changed?
Re: Twins 2020 Off-season Thread
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:07 am
by bleedspeed
monsterpile wrote:
I'm not convinced. I think I would rather see what I have with Kirilloff package him for a starting pitcher than deal for Merrifield. Has your opinion of Kirilloff as a prospect changed?
Agreed
Re: Twins 2020 Off-season Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:27 am
by bleedspeed
I like this idea. Improving the infield defense. Moving Polanco to 3rd and Sano to first.
http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/minnesota-twins/a-three-step-plan-to-drastically-improve-the-twins-infield-defense-in-2020-r8616
Re: Twins 2020 Off-season Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:09 pm
by Monster
bleedspeed177 wrote:I like this idea. Improving the infield defense. Moving Polanco to 3rd and Sano to first.
http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/minnesota-twins/a-three-step-plan-to-drastically-improve-the-twins-infield-defense-in-2020-r8616
They could have just said let's get a defensive shortstop and stopped writing. It was a pretty Incomplete/lack of nuanced take. No talk about who played at 2nd base (Scoop vs Arraez) or whether or not Cron was good (Or bad) defensively at 1b last year. It felt like to me the reason the Twins weren't a better defensive team was just too many bone headed plays here and there. Marwin played nearly half of his innings in the OF because of injuries. I would guess they were planning to use him more at 3b than they did.
Re: Twins 2020 Off-season Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:29 pm
by bleedspeed
Hard to say with Cron. He was a downgrade from Mauer for sure. I don't but the plan that Sano would likely stay healthier if he played 1b.
Re: Twins 2020 Off-season Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:07 pm
by bleedspeed
I read this and want to go after both Bumgarner and Wheeler.
http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/minnesota-twins/bumgarner-v-wheeler-who-should-the-twins-pursue-r8606
Interesting FA predictions. Twins are attached to a few and where some Twins go.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/mlb-free-agent-predictions-2020.html
Re: Twins 2020 Off-season Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:49 pm
by Jester1534
bleedspeed177 wrote:monsterpile wrote:
I'm not convinced. I think I would rather see what I have with Kirilloff package him for a starting pitcher than deal for Merrifield. Has your opinion of Kirilloff as a prospect changed?
Agreed
Not changed it's just Kirilloff is not a huge power guy and you would hope he turns into Whit Merrifield type bat. Trading the unknown for a known.
Re: Twins 2020 Off-season Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:14 pm
by Monster
jester1534 wrote:bleedspeed177 wrote:monsterpile wrote:
I'm not convinced. I think I would rather see what I have with Kirilloff package him for a starting pitcher than deal for Merrifield. Has your opinion of Kirilloff as a prospect changed?
Agreed
Not changed it's just Kirilloff is not a huge power guy and you would hope he turns into Whit Merrifield type bat. Trading the unknown for a known.
Alright I see your angle. Personally I think it's too early to say Kirilloff isn't a power guy (that definition MIGHT be changing) especially comparing him to Merrifield. I think it's easy to forget AK just finished up his 3rd professional season. His 2nd year in the minors coming off Tommy John surgery he hit 44 doubles and 20 HRs. Sure it was at lower levels but Merrifield was in college or whatever at that age. In the minors Merrifield (hit a lot of doubles and triples) but hit 46 HRs his entire minor league career. Merrifield took a while to become the player he is now. I recognize AK might never be any good so you can't hold onto every prospect but I just don't know if Merrifield is the guy I spend assets on and again I actually like him a lot. I think he is a guy that is a better hitter (takes good ABs etc) than the stats suggest.