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Camden wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

Camden wrote:I'm definitely still trading Malik Beasley in the off-season, but it'll be a lot easier to extract something of value for him if he continues to play at a high level. Being a prisoner of the moment is very real. While he can catch fire and help you win games there are still too many times where he's off the mark and provides absolutely nothing of value. He's been hot lately, which has been exciting, but I'm sure there's another cold spell coming because that's who he is. We just need him to get hot again at the right time in the post-season.

That's the hallmark of a bench player though. We'd be replacing Beasley with someone who does the exact same thing.

No, that's the hallmark of a one-trick pony, or in basketball terms a specialist. I'd be replacing Malik Beasley's spot in the rotation with someone who provides more all-around ability and night-to-night consistency, such as Jaylen Nowell.

I'll say this about Beasley is that as a Wolf he has been a really high volume 3 point shooter. There really aren't many guys that take that many 3's. This season he is taking 12 threes per 36 minutes that's a lot. I don't disagree that Beasley is mostly a one trick pony but what he does as a 3 point shooter is likely at a high percentile compared to other players in the league. His ability to take and make 3's can have a higher impact than just whether he makes them or not. It can open up things for other players. It will be interesting to see what happens with him but it certainly is nice he is playing well right now and maybe is on track.

kekgeek1 wrote:Its such an interesting spot were the Wolves are. Legit I like all 11 guys in the Wolves rotation. Credit to Rosas for the roster they put together. Outside of getting another big I don't know exactly where the Wolves 100% need to have an upgrade.

I guess my question is the Wolves current rotation pieces good enough to win a title (I think title or bust is toxic) if Ant makes the jump to a top 20 or better player? Or Mcdaniels becomes a legit above average NBA starter. Maybe I feel this way because this is the first time in 20ish years the Wolves have a legit fun roster so my thoughts might skewed.

I just really like all 11 rotation pieces and I know the roster is going to be expensive soon but I just don't see obvious places to upgrade this roster (Obviously the Wolves need a situational rebounding big)

When you go from

monsterpile wrote:

Camden wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

Camden wrote:I'm definitely still trading Malik Beasley in the off-season, but it'll be a lot easier to extract something of value for him if he continues to play at a high level. Being a prisoner of the moment is very real. While he can catch fire and help you win games there are still too many times where he's off the mark and provides absolutely nothing of value. He's been hot lately, which has been exciting, but I'm sure there's another cold spell coming because that's who he is. We just need him to get hot again at the right time in the post-season.

That's the hallmark of a bench player though. We'd be replacing Beasley with someone who does the exact same thing.

No, that's the hallmark of a one-trick pony, or in basketball terms a specialist. I'd be replacing Malik Beasley's spot in the rotation with someone who provides more all-around ability and night-to-night consistency, such as Jaylen Nowell.

I'll say this about Beasley is that as a Wolf he has been a really high volume 3 point shooter. There really aren't many guys that take that many 3's. This season he is taking 12 threes per 36 minutes that's a lot. I don't disagree that Beasley is mostly a one trick pony but what he does as a 3 point shooter is likely at a high percentile compared to other players in the league. His ability to take and make 3's can have a higher impact than just whether he makes them or not. It can open up things for other players. It will be interesting to see what happens with him but it certainly is nice he is playing well right now and maybe is on track.

But when he's not making them, he can shoot us out of games. I remember earlier in the year when both he and DLO were struggling with their shots. They literally shot us out of games because they took like 18 or 20 3's between them and made like 2 of them. So it goes both ways.

monsterpile wrote:

Camden wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

Camden wrote:I'm definitely still trading Malik Beasley in the off-season, but it'll be a lot easier to extract something of value for him if he continues to play at a high level. Being a prisoner of the moment is very real. While he can catch fire and help you win games there are still too many times where he's off the mark and provides absolutely nothing of value. He's been hot lately, which has been exciting, but I'm sure there's another cold spell coming because that's who he is. We just need him to get hot again at the right time in the post-season.

That's the hallmark of a bench player though. We'd be replacing Beasley with someone who does the exact same thing.

No, that's the hallmark of a one-trick pony, or in basketball terms a specialist. I'd be replacing Malik Beasley's spot in the rotation with someone who provides more all-around ability and night-to-night consistency, such as Jaylen Nowell.

I'll say this about Beasley is that as a Wolf he has been a really high volume 3 point shooter. There really aren't many guys that take that many 3's. This season he is taking 12 threes per 36 minutes that's a lot. I don't disagree that Beasley is mostly a one trick pony but what he does as a 3 point shooter is likely at a high percentile compared to other players in the league. His ability to take and make 3's can have a higher impact than just whether he makes them or not. It can open up things for other players. It will be interesting to see what happens with him but it certainly is nice he is playing well right now and maybe is on track.

Absolutely. Any above average to elite shooter will attract attention to varying degrees and strain opposing defenses, but my question has been the following. Can Minnesota replace Malik Beasley with someone who too can space the floor, albeit not with the same volume, but also help in other areas? I tend to think that's a near certainty.

The Wolves are #2 in 3-point makes in the NBA and #14 in 3-point %. We've come a long way from the bad old days with Flip and Mitchell drawing up plays for long 2's, not to mention our perennial bottom dwelling in 3-pt percentage. It feels great!

Q-was-here wrote:The Wolves are #2 in 3-point makes in the NBA and #14 in 3-point %. We've come a long way from the bad old days with Flip and Mitchell drawing up plays for long 2's, not to mention our perennial bottom dwelling in 3-pt percentage. It feels great!

I only have three gimmicks I like to use year after year after year...

1) No 6-game winning streak since 2004.

2) The ridiculous 4 - 73 record at the end of tanking seasons.

3) Finishing 29th or 30th in three pointers for (x) straight seasons.


[Note: The 2022 Timberwolves are forcing me to get new material.]

Camden wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Camden wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

Camden wrote:I'm definitely still trading Malik Beasley in the off-season, but it'll be a lot easier to extract something of value for him if he continues to play at a high level. Being a prisoner of the moment is very real. While he can catch fire and help you win games there are still too many times where he's off the mark and provides absolutely nothing of value. He's been hot lately, which has been exciting, but I'm sure there's another cold spell coming because that's who he is. We just need him to get hot again at the right time in the post-season.

That's the hallmark of a bench player though. We'd be replacing Beasley with someone who does the exact same thing.

No, that's the hallmark of a one-trick pony, or in basketball terms a specialist. I'd be replacing Malik Beasley's spot in the rotation with someone who provides more all-around ability and night-to-night consistency, such as Jaylen Nowell.

I'll say this about Beasley is that as a Wolf he has been a really high volume 3 point shooter. There really aren't many guys that take that many 3's. This season he is taking 12 threes per 36 minutes that's a lot. I don't disagree that Beasley is mostly a one trick pony but what he does as a 3 point shooter is likely at a high percentile compared to other players in the league. His ability to take and make 3's can have a higher impact than just whether he makes them or not. It can open up things for other players. It will be interesting to see what happens with him but it certainly is nice he is playing well right now and maybe is on track.

Absolutely. Any above average to elite shooter will attract attention to varying degrees and strain opposing defenses, but my question has been the following. Can Minnesota replace Malik Beasley with someone who too can space the floor, albeit not with the same volume, but also help in other areas? I tend to think that's a near certainty.

The question I have is whether that player is better than the guys that the Wolves already have or project to bring back this offseason or they could sign using exceptions. I'm not against trading Beasley BUT I also have been looking at possible options and nothing looks really clear to me. There are always options I haven't considered I mean who say the Kings making a move for Sabonis?!? I do also think that there is some minor chance that Beasley becomes a better player maybe a more consistent version of himself that also makes more winning plays even if that means he still isn't a very good defensive player. I wouldn't bet my job on him improving a whole lot but I don't think it's impossible either.

I guess what I am saying is that as someone that is absolutely looking to move him I also think it might not be as clear cut that we will get value for him and that he should move on. Big combo forward that can legitimately play PF in a package involving Beasley sounds pretty good. I'm not opposed to a true big either but I also think that adding a solid player like that can likely be done fairly cheaply in FA. I'm certainly open to a lot of ideas. I guess I also can see a path where Beaeley can be really valuable to the Wolves next year and beyond. It really feels like Nowell has done enough this season that he should have a better chance at minutes next season. Moving Beasley may help accomplish that. Moving Beasley for a guy that's more of a SF sounds kinda nice.

Q-was-here wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:Its such an interesting spot were the Wolves are. Legit I like all 11 guys in the Wolves rotation. Credit to Rosas for the roster they put together. Outside of getting another big I don't know exactly where the Wolves 100% need to have an upgrade.

I guess my question is the Wolves current rotation pieces good enough to win a title (I think title or bust is toxic) if Ant makes the jump to a top 20 or better player? Or Mcdaniels becomes a legit above average NBA starter. Maybe I feel this way because this is the first time in 20ish years the Wolves have a legit fun roster so my thoughts might skewed.

I just really like all 11 rotation pieces and I know the roster is going to be expensive soon but I just don't see obvious places to upgrade this roster (Obviously the Wolves need a situational rebounding big)

When you go from

monsterpile wrote:

Camden wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

Camden wrote:I'm definitely still trading Malik Beasley in the off-season, but it'll be a lot easier to extract something of value for him if he continues to play at a high level. Being a prisoner of the moment is very real. While he can catch fire and help you win games there are still too many times where he's off the mark and provides absolutely nothing of value. He's been hot lately, which has been exciting, but I'm sure there's another cold spell coming because that's who he is. We just need him to get hot again at the right time in the post-season.

That's the hallmark of a bench player though. We'd be replacing Beasley with someone who does the exact same thing.

No, that's the hallmark of a one-trick pony, or in basketball terms a specialist. I'd be replacing Malik Beasley's spot in the rotation with someone who provides more all-around ability and night-to-night consistency, such as Jaylen Nowell.

I'll say this about Beasley is that as a Wolf he has been a really high volume 3 point shooter. There really aren't many guys that take that many 3's. This season he is taking 12 threes per 36 minutes that's a lot. I don't disagree that Beasley is mostly a one trick pony but what he does as a 3 point shooter is likely at a high percentile compared to other players in the league. His ability to take and make 3's can have a higher impact than just whether he makes them or not. It can open up things for other players. It will be interesting to see what happens with him but it certainly is nice he is playing well right now and maybe is on track.

But when he's not making them, he can shoot us out of games. I remember earlier in the year when both he and DLO were struggling with their shots. They literally shot us out of games because they took like 18 or 20 3's between them and made like 2 of them. So it goes both ways.

Sure and I said earlier on in the season that those guys weren't going to shoot that poorly all year. It's good to have guys that don't just do the same thing. Sometimes a guy that drives a lot needs to not do that because we are playing a really big team that packs the paint. One of the reasons why Edwards is a tantalizing player is he can score in more than one way. Heck it's why Nowell is interesting too. He isn't a volume 3 point shooter but he can get into the paint and score a few different ways. It's nice to have shooters that are a threat to score to open things up. I'm not so worried about a guy shooting us out of one game but I'm more concerned about him going on a multi game slide. There is some worry about that with Beasley but again the dude could miss his first 6 or 7 3's then make all the rest he takes. We have basically seen that kind of thing happen in the last week. Teams are gonna want to guard him and sometimes you need a guy like that to shoot you back into games.

Again I'm not all in on keeping him far from it but I think because he struggled so much of the season people are now actually downplaying his strength a little bit.

monsterpile wrote:Again I'm not all in on keeping him far from it but I think because he struggled so much of the season people are now actually downplaying his strength a little bit.

I'd like to hear more about this, specifically. Who is downplaying Malik Beasley's shooting ability -- ie. his one and only real strength? He's been a high volume three-point shooter for much of the last three seasons with solid efficiency.

We all know that and I haven't seen anyone say otherwise. The rub is that he's inconsistent from game to game in that regard and doesn't provide anything else of value -- defense, shot creation, etc. He can go 2-10 one night and then shoot 6-10 another. And on those nights where his shot is off he's just another guy out there.

I don't think people have ever downplayed his strength. I think people are understanding his weaknesses a lot more and they're even more profound when he's slumping. That was the story of the season for Beasley until February.

Camden wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Again I'm not all in on keeping him far from it but I think because he struggled so much of the season people are now actually downplaying his strength a little bit.

I'd like to hear more about this, specifically. Who is downplaying Malik Beasley's shooting ability -- ie. his one and only real strength? He's been a high volume three-point shooter for much of the last three seasons with solid efficiency.

We all know that and I haven't seen anyone say otherwise. The rub is that he's inconsistent from game to game in that regard and doesn't provide anything else of value -- defense, shot creation, etc. He can go 2-10 one night and then shoot 6-10 another. And on those nights where his shot is off he's just another guy out there.

I don't think people have ever downplayed his strength. I think people are understanding his weaknesses a lot more and they're even more profound when he's slumping. That was the story of the season for Beasley until February.

I get what you are saying but honesty can't really explain to you more than I have in my multiple posts. Maybe you are right and people figured him out more but he isn't any different to me than months ago and now it just feels a bit different to me how people view him. My perception certainly could be wrong it's just what I see.

Again I'm not all interested in keeping him. Heck even though I valued him highly I was actually more interested in dealing him than some this summer because I didn't think he was proven to be the shooter some said he was. Like I said before the volume of 3's he has taken this year is something to take notice of. It's not a sure thing he will be chucking them up like that again after this season (which is both good and bad) but it's an interesting development. I'm pretty sure everyone here is looking to actually get value for him in a deal but I don't think he has to go and it sorta feels like hats where some people are but again I could be wrong.

The reality is that the Wolves are in a place where they actually have enough talent that Beasley is a guy that can be a trade chip is a really fantastic development. It wasn't that long ago getting a player like Beasley was quite exciting. This coming offseason should be a lot more fun than the last one and having Beasley as a guy that can be moved in a deal is a part of what could happen.

I'm not super knowledgeable about the cap and contracts but doesn't Beasley and Beverly combined equal a max contract in a trade? Not that I want to jettison them right away but do the numbers match?