Wolves vs. Clips GDT

[Coolbreeze44]

If you have a legitimate top 2, you don't get blown out as bad as we were last night. You just don't. None of the other teams with a big two or three would look that listless with both players in the game. And it's not an aberration. This will happen more when we play teams that DO have a legitimate top 2 like the Clippers. KAT and DLO just aren't good enough.

[AbeVigodaLive]

If you have a legitimate top 2, you don't get blown out as bad as we were last night. You just don't. None of the other teams with a big two or three would look that listless with both players in the game. And it's not an aberration. This will happen more when we play teams that DO have a legitimate top 2 like the Clippers. KAT and DLO just aren't good enough.

I agree with the premise... I just think it's important to differentiate between Towns and Russell.

People STILL use "Towns and Wiggins" like they were the same level of player all of those seasons. Obviously, we all know they weren't really comparable beyond being young #1 picks and getting max contracts.

Even the biggest Russell fans would acknowledged that he's a couple tiers below Towns.

[Coolbreeze44]

If you have a legitimate top 2, you don't get blown out as bad as we were last night. You just don't. None of the other teams with a big two or three would look that listless with both players in the game. And it's not an aberration. This will happen more when we play teams that DO have a legitimate top 2 like the Clippers. KAT and DLO just aren't good enough.

I agree with the premise... I just think it's important to differentiate between Towns and Russell.

People STILL use "Towns and Wiggins" like they were the same level of player all of those seasons. Obviously, we all know they weren't really comparable beyond being young #1 picks and getting max contracts.

Even the biggest Russell fans would acknowledged that he's a couple tiers below Towns.

Yeah, I guess that's my point. We don't have a big two. We have someone between a big 1 and 2 and not much else currently. And for the privilege of seeing this experiment, we gave up a high draft asset to boot.

[Wolvesfan21]

If you have a legitimate top 2, you don't get blown out as bad as we were last night. You just don't. None of the other teams with a big two or three would look that listless with both players in the game. And it's not an aberration. This will happen more when we play teams that DO have a legitimate top 2 like the Clippers. KAT and DLO just aren't good enough.

Is DLO better then avg starting PG/SG in the league? Hard to call him top 2 like Abe says. DLO is on the same level as Beasley. Avg starter at best. That might be stretching it even. Below avg starter really.

We have one legit above avg NBA starter and that's KAT. The rest of the guys need work, even Jaden.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

If you have a legitimate top 2, you don't get blown out as bad as we were last night. You just don't. None of the other teams with a big two or three would look that listless with both players in the game. And it's not an aberration. This will happen more when we play teams that DO have a legitimate top 2 like the Clippers. KAT and DLO just aren't good enough.

Is DLO better then avg starting PG/SG in the league? Hard to call him top 2 like Abe says. DLO is on the same level as Beasley. Avg starter at best. That might be stretching it even. Below avg starter really.

We have one legit above avg NBA starter and that's KAT. The rest of the guys need work, even Jaden.

Yup. It's KAT and everyone else, with KAT being a 3rd-team all-NBA player. He's simply not capable of carrying a team and needs at least one or two other guys at least as good as him.

I think the good news is that Rosas does have some positive assets on the roster. Ant's play since the all-star break has been more in line with what you would expect of a #1 pick. That doesn't mean he's been great, but he's at least been more efficient offensively and show the potential to be a #1-option lead guard someday. That makes the defensive warts more palatable to prospective trade partners.

Jaden McDaniels is worth more than where he was picked. Naz Reid is worth at least an early 2nd or late 1st rounder. Malik Beasley has likely outplayed his contract as well.

So if there is one small silver lining, it's that despite the horrific record, we haven't beaten down the value of our assets and it does give Rosas some wiggle room if he wanted to make some additional moves this offseason.

[Coolbreeze44]

If you have a legitimate top 2, you don't get blown out as bad as we were last night. You just don't. None of the other teams with a big two or three would look that listless with both players in the game. And it's not an aberration. This will happen more when we play teams that DO have a legitimate top 2 like the Clippers. KAT and DLO just aren't good enough.

Is DLO better then avg starting PG/SG in the league? Hard to call him top 2 like Abe says. DLO is on the same level as Beasley. Avg starter at best. That might be stretching it even. Below avg starter really.

We have one legit above avg NBA starter and that's KAT. The rest of the guys need work, even Jaden.

That's my point

[Wolvesfan21]

I feel like full fledged apathy has set in for this team most nights. I can understand it at this point. What the heck are they playing for? To have "not the worst" record? Real exciting goal there.

I just want to see growth from the young guys. I always worry if losing becomes habitual so no matter who we draft they become losers also. If we drafted Steph Curry would we still be losers of a loser franchise? It's an interesting theory.

[Wolvesfan21]

If you have a legitimate top 2, you don't get blown out as bad as we were last night. You just don't. None of the other teams with a big two or three would look that listless with both players in the game. And it's not an aberration. This will happen more when we play teams that DO have a legitimate top 2 like the Clippers. KAT and DLO just aren't good enough.

Is DLO better then avg starting PG/SG in the league? Hard to call him top 2 like Abe says. DLO is on the same level as Beasley. Avg starter at best. That might be stretching it even. Below avg starter really.

We have one legit above avg NBA starter and that's KAT. The rest of the guys need work, even Jaden.

That's my point

I was actually writing up my post while you responded. I was slow.

[FNG]

It's really a sad commentary that we have only one starter who is better than the league average at his position, but I have to agree. And I would guess we are the only team in the league who can say that. Well, maybe Orlando, I don't know. And how sad is it that we have a max player who it's difficult to make a case for being above average? I know some would say Dlo is in the top half at his position, but I find the data strongly against him. eFG%? Lower than Juancho's this year and almost 3 percentage points lower for their careers. Defense? Consistently terrible and arguably worse even than Juancho. On/off numbers? Negative every year of his career except one, and worst on the team this year. That does not add up to an average player sadly.

If I were to try to put some kind of positive spin on our roster, I would make an argument that our depth is fairly decent. Many of our reserves are at least average compared to comparable reserves at their positions...Naz Reid for example. But even that is a stretch. This is a dark era for sure.

[Carlos Danger]

I feel like full fledged apathy has set in for this team most nights. I can understand it at this point. What the heck are they playing for? To have "not the worst" record? Real exciting goal there.

I just want to see growth from the young guys. I always worry if losing becomes habitual so no matter who we draft they become losers also. If we drafted Steph Curry would we still be losers of a loser franchise? It's an interesting theory.

It has to be a curse on this franchise. Look at the ownership as an example. As soon as A-Rod agrees to buy it, he splits with J-Lo. I would have actually bought a ticket just for a chance to see J-Lo's caboose next year, but now I don't even have that carrot. It's the curse. The only silver lining (for me) is I now have more free time because I'm not nearly as invested in watching games and following players. Chances are very good (IMO) that the team will look very different next year so my thought is "why bother".