Would you trade Towns

[AbeVigodaLive]

Letting Jimmy Butler slip away will go down as one of the bigger mistakes this franchise has ever made.

Facetious?

"slip away"...

Yeah, slip away is definitely not the right phrase.

Trading for him will go down as the terrible decision. 3/5ths of the way through a rebuild around an absolute star in KAT and we go for that trade. Threw away assets for nothing.

We've all discussed the Butler trade previously. It's a mess in hindsight, along with Thibodeau. But I don't think anybody did it knowing that Butler was going to blow up the team by the beginning of season 2.

Season 1 was a "success" by Minnesota standards. Whether a short playoff run is a success for various posters depends. Personally, 13 years of abject losing... and possibly many more on the way... was not palatable for me. So I was on board when the trade happened. I hated everything that happened after that... but it was not something I would have envisioned happening. Easier to say it sucked really really bad now... knowing how it imploded then.

It was extremely short-sighted. Which should have been obvious to anybody.

Our backbone was two young 22/23 year old first overall picks.

Did anyone actually believe bringing in a 29/30 year old rental star was the right move in the era of the GSW, LeBron, Houston, Toronto?

Just to watch a playoff series, really?

I don't care about the team just making the playoffs. I want the team to have a real chance of winning in them.

It was 13 years. It would very likely be 15 yeas and counting...

Again, nobody thought it was a one-year window with Butler. The plan was to make the playoffs with him... because this franchise was desperate for any type of success. Heck, it was 12 years without even a winning record. The plan was for Butler to mesh with the young guys, so they'd get a taste of success... and their careers would flourish with or without Butler after his stint in Minnesota.

Having an entire team of 22 or 23 or 24 year-old kids wasn't gonna work anyway. It's ok to call the mini-era a failure in hindsight. But I don't see how the team was on a better trajectory that would appease you (legit playoff success) simply by keeping the guys traded away.

I don't think the Wolves can be compared to GSW, Houston, LeBron, et al. They've been too crappy for too long and have too many market/social/player issues against them. In fact, I doubt that we'll ever see a Wolves title in our lifetimes. So we might as well enjoy what little morsels of success we can find.

[kekgeek]

Letting Jimmy Butler slip away will go down as one of the bigger mistakes this franchise has ever made.

Facetious?

"slip away"...

Yeah, slip away is definitely not the right phrase.

Trading for him will go down as the terrible decision. 3/5ths of the way through a rebuild around an absolute star in KAT and we go for that trade. Threw away assets for nothing.

We've all discussed the Butler trade previously. It's a mess in hindsight, along with Thibodeau. But I don't think anybody did it knowing that Butler was going to blow up the team by the beginning of season 2.

Season 1 was a "success" by Minnesota standards. Whether a short playoff run is a success for various posters depends. Personally, 13 years of abject losing... and possibly many more on the way... was not palatable for me. So I was on board when the trade happened. I hated everything that happened after that... but it was not something I would have envisioned happening. Easier to say it sucked really really bad now... knowing how it imploded then.

It was extremely short-sighted. Which should have been obvious to anybody.

Our backbone was two young 22/23 year old first overall picks.

Did anyone actually believe bringing in a 29/30 year old rental star was the right move in the era of the GSW, LeBron, Houston, Toronto?

Just to watch a playoff series, really?

I don't care about the team just making the playoffs. I want the team to have a real chance of winning in them.

I legit believe if Jimmy got along with the wolves young guys and Jimmy resigned, I believe wolves would be contending for a title this year.

Now it became a 1 year rental but legit believe wolves would be a contender right now

[TheFuture]

What the hell is this belief narrative??

If a guy doesnt choose to sign with you in free agency then you have no reason to believe it is anything but a rental. Especially a guy approaching the end of his career and had a taste of winning. Throw him on a green team and expect him to be ok with waiting a few years? Really?

I wasnt comparing the Wolves to those playoff teams. I was simply stating that it was stupid to "go all in" for the playoffs when it was extremely obvious that we would have absolutely zero chance to accomplish anything in the playoffs. So we as fans should just root for a team to make the playoffs? Anything more is futile? What a fucking waste of your time.

[Coolbreeze44]

We need to hit on a guard big time. Obviously everyone on this board knows that. Wiggins just isn't that guy (although I like his improvements this year). We need a legit pg or combo guard that is a stud and a closer. I'm talking billups type. I still like the culver pick for that reason, but he hasn't panned out yet. Shoot, what would it take to get McCollum?? Covington, culver and a 1st? Do it. That's the kind of guy we need with towns. There's other more buy low guys that I'd go for too. They're wasting Covington's current value on this team right now! He's far from their biggest need.

I'm nodding in agreement with just about everything you said here, but I prefer D'Angelo Russell to C.J. McCollum for a multitude of reasons.

If you place Dlo on this team without giving up much, what kind of impact do you think it would have in terms of wins? I'm sure you know that acquiring him takes away what little flexibility we currently have. So what's the end game? A perennial 5th-8th seed?

[Coolbreeze44]

Letting Jimmy Butler slip away will go down as one of the bigger mistakes this franchise has ever made.

Facetious?

"slip away"...

Yeah, slip away is definitely not the right phrase.

Trading for him will go down as the terrible decision. 3/5ths of the way through a rebuild around an absolute star in KAT and we go for that trade. Threw away assets for nothing.

We've all discussed the Butler trade previously. It's a mess in hindsight, along with Thibodeau. But I don't think anybody did it knowing that Butler was going to blow up the team by the beginning of season 2.

Season 1 was a "success" by Minnesota standards. Whether a short playoff run is a success for various posters depends. Personally, 13 years of abject losing... and possibly many more on the way... was not palatable for me. So I was on board when the trade happened. I hated everything that happened after that... but it was not something I would have envisioned happening. Easier to say it sucked really really bad now... knowing how it imploded then.

It was extremely short-sighted. Which should have been obvious to anybody.

Our backbone was two young 22/23 year old first overall picks.

Did anyone actually believe bringing in a 29/30 year old rental star was the right move in the era of the GSW, LeBron, Houston, Toronto?

Just to watch a playoff series, really?

I don't care about the team just making the playoffs. I want the team to have a real chance of winning in them.

It was obvious to me. I completely aligned with your take here.

[TheFuture]

We need to hit on a guard big time. Obviously everyone on this board knows that. Wiggins just isn't that guy (although I like his improvements this year). We need a legit pg or combo guard that is a stud and a closer. I'm talking billups type. I still like the culver pick for that reason, but he hasn't panned out yet. Shoot, what would it take to get McCollum?? Covington, culver and a 1st? Do it. That's the kind of guy we need with towns. There's other more buy low guys that I'd go for too. They're wasting Covington's current value on this team right now! He's far from their biggest need.

I think some of our fans are dumber than our FO.

So RoCo, a trade up to get Culver and dismiss him in the first year, and another first to further handcuff our cap with our third max in CJ or DLO. Oh, not to mention the trade doesnt even work and we'd be hitting tax.

Great idea.

[Coolbreeze44]

By the way, why on earth are we talking about Butler again? Doesn't a ship ever sail on this board?

[AbeVigodaLive]

What the hell is this belief narrative??

If a guy doesnt choose to sign with you in free agency then you have no reason to believe it is anything but a rental. Especially a guy approaching the end of his career and had a taste of winning. Throw him on a green team and expect him to be ok with waiting a few years? Really?

I wasnt comparing the Wolves to those playoff teams. I was simply stating that it was stupid to "go all in" for the playoffs when it was extremely obvious that we would have absolutely zero chance to accomplish anything in the playoffs. So we as fans should just root for a team to make the playoffs? Anything more is futile? What a fucking waste of your time.

If that season was an abject failure... then the Wolves have been a serious waste of time for 30 out of 31 seasons. And for the vast majority of them... the Wolves took a deliberate, patient approach by telling fans to just wait for all the young talent to reach its potential/promise.

I totally understand any fan who was tired/bored with that strategy and wanted to enjoy a season where the team won more than it lost -- especially if it meant that even with the worst-case scenario... they'd be left cheering for TWO #1 draft picks and max contract "superstars."

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

What the hell is this belief narrative??

If a guy doesnt choose to sign with you in free agency then you have no reason to believe it is anything but a rental. Especially a guy approaching the end of his career and had a taste of winning. Throw him on a green team and expect him to be ok with waiting a few years? Really?

I wasnt comparing the Wolves to those playoff teams. I was simply stating that it was stupid to "go all in" for the playoffs when it was extremely obvious that we would have absolutely zero chance to accomplish anything in the playoffs. So we as fans should just root for a team to make the playoffs? Anything more is futile? What a fucking waste of your time.

Nope, I want more than just making the playoffs, but I think if things would have broken right, we could have won a round that year and been looking at possibly contending now. Adding butler to towns at the time was not a bad idea, and I think it's basically the same type of trade most of us would like to see right now (add a perimeter star to kat). It was a risk that didn't work.

[AbeVigodaLive]

By the way, why on earth are we talking about Butler again? Doesn't a ship ever sail on this board?

Sorry. But I really don't know what else to write about the current team. And more importantly, there's really no discussion points because there's very few unique takes.

I think most, if not everybody, thinks they suck and things look bleaker than expected.