thegrey08 wrote:khans, what is your deal with all the Lavine hate?? You are going way overboard on this one. He was thrown into the starting PG role as a ROOKIE which is not even his primary position. Think about that for a minute. He needs to be cut some slack here. He hasn't been too bad all things considered. Worst rotation player in the league? That's nonsense. He's very talented and has shown flashes/signs of being a legit play maker. The last thing he needs is D league. He needs more time around Rubio, especially playing SG next to him.
I've seen multiple articles on ESPN now showing Lavine as statistically the worst rotation player in the league. You basically just said he wasn't ready to play this year which is exactly what I am saying. He was put in a bad spot and struggled. He's 19 so his struggles haven't wavered my confidence in him long term. He's just not ready to play right now. When you aren't ready I don't think the answer is to give you even more playing time to struggle. He needs a lot of playing time against the lesser competition of the D League, not more playing time against NBA players. Lavine was taken as a project with star potential, but the guy played limited minutes in college. We have nothing but time with him to have him get better. It doesn't have to happen this year. An offseason, summer league and training camp will help him get ready to be a better contributor next year. I don't understand the need to dump Martin to open up time for Lavine when Lavine isn't ready. I think people are just putting the cart before the horse when we don't have to because of how much time he has to develop at only 19 years of age.
bleedspeed177 wrote:I don't mind winning if it is Wiggins, Lavine. Shabazz, Dieng, and Bennett helping us do it. Not a fan of big minutes for Thad and Martin to help us win.
Eh, I don't know. I actually think it helps these guys to develop because they are now being put in roles where they are more likely to be successful (especially AB and LaVine). I just disagree with the philosophy that every young player develops best by being thrown into the fire with other young players and then crank up their minutes to the max. I prefer the blended approach where they are playing with competent and experienced players.
These vets are journeymen players. Its not like we have Garnett leading them. Fact is the young guys have been better than the vets this year.
bleedspeed177 wrote:I don't mind winning if it is Wiggins, Lavine. Shabazz, Dieng, and Bennett helping us do it. Not a fan of big minutes for Thad and Martin to help us win.
Eh, I don't know. I actually think it helps these guys to develop because they are now being put in roles where they are more likely to be successful (especially AB and LaVine). I just disagree with the philosophy that every young player develops best by being thrown into the fire with other young players and then crank up their minutes to the max. I prefer the blended approach where they are playing with competent and experienced players.
These vets are journeymen players. Its not like we have Garnett leading them. Fact is the young guys have been better than the vets this year.
Is that how we were able to win all those games when Ricky, Martin and Pek were out?
bleedspeed177 wrote:I don't mind winning if it is Wiggins, Lavine. Shabazz, Dieng, and Bennett helping us do it. Not a fan of big minutes for Thad and Martin to help us win.
Eh, I don't know. I actually think it helps these guys to develop because they are now being put in roles where they are more likely to be successful (especially AB and LaVine). I just disagree with the philosophy that every young player develops best by being thrown into the fire with other young players and then crank up their minutes to the max. I prefer the blended approach where they are playing with competent and experienced players.
These vets are journeymen players. Its not like we have Garnett leading them. Fact is the young guys have been better than the vets this year.[/quote]
Ah, I don't think so.
Williams>LaVine
Young>Bennett
Pek>Dieng
Martin= or > than Shabazz
Wiggins>Budinger
Wiggins is about the only guy that has outperformed his closest vet comparison. Not sure where you're coming from on that statement.
bleedspeed177 wrote:I don't mind winning if it is Wiggins, Lavine. Shabazz, Dieng, and Bennett helping us do it. Not a fan of big minutes for Thad and Martin to help us win.
Eh, I don't know. I actually think it helps these guys to develop because they are now being put in roles where they are more likely to be successful (especially AB and LaVine). I just disagree with the philosophy that every young player develops best by being thrown into the fire with other young players and then crank up their minutes to the max. I prefer the blended approach where they are playing with competent and experienced players.
I get it. I just don't want to see Kmart and Young playing 36+ minutes a night and the young guys getting less then 12 minutes.
khans2k5 wrote:
I've seen multiple articles on ESPN now showing Lavine as statistically the worst rotation player in the league. You basically just said he wasn't ready to play this year which is exactly what I am saying. He was put in a bad spot and struggled. He's 19 so his struggles haven't wavered my confidence in him long term. He's just not ready to play right now. When you aren't ready I don't think the answer is to give you even more playing time to struggle. He needs a lot of playing time against the lesser competition of the D League, not more playing time against NBA players. Lavine was taken as a project with star potential, but the guy played limited minutes in college. We have nothing but time with him to have him get better. It doesn't have to happen this year. An offseason, summer league and training camp will help him get ready to be a better contributor next year. I don't understand the need to dump Martin to open up time for Lavine when Lavine isn't ready. I think people are just putting the cart before the horse when we don't have to because of how much time he has to develop at only 19 years of age.
He wasn't ready to start at PG. I disagree about sending him to D league, but rather needs some minutes at SG with Ricky and more time around him in general. That was the biggest loss for all the young guys up until this point, not having Rubio to learn & play with.
bleedspeed177 wrote:I don't mind winning if it is Wiggins, Lavine. Shabazz, Dieng, and Bennett helping us do it. Not a fan of big minutes for Thad and Martin to help us win.
Eh, I don't know. I actually think it helps these guys to develop because they are now being put in roles where they are more likely to be successful (especially AB and LaVine). I just disagree with the philosophy that every young player develops best by being thrown into the fire with other young players and then crank up their minutes to the max. I prefer the blended approach where they are playing with competent and experienced players.
These vets are journeymen players. Its not like we have Garnett leading them. Fact is the young guys have been better than the vets this year.[/quote]
Ah, I don't think so.
Williams>LaVine
Young>Bennett
Pek>Dieng
Martin= or > than Shabazz
Wiggins>Budinger
Wiggins is about the only guy that has outperformed his closest vet comparison. Not sure where you're coming from on that statement.
I wasn't looking at it one on one like this. But collectively the young guys have been better. I'd love to see a scrimmage between those two teams. Wiggins would stuff Martin, Lavine would run around Williams for easy baskets. Do you think Young could guard Shabazz? No chance. And where do you come off saying Pek has been better than Dieng? Not even close. That young group would win it's share over the vets.
Cool, Your logic and example don't make any sense. You do realize we just posted one of the worst stretches of basketball in franchise history with the young guys leading the way? Yes, Young and Williams were a part of that mix, but Dieng, Wiggins, Shabazz, LaVine, and Bennett collectively played far more minutes.
All you need to do is go down the list of ON/Off numbers and see how much better we are when the vets are on the court vs. the young guys. If these young guys could so easily lap our vets, than why didn't they play better against the real competition?
