8.3 rebounds per 36 minutes. Yes. That's better than Thad Young. But is it rebounding "well"...?
His scoring is poor. His shooting is poor. We'll see next year how much improvement he makes... because I can't imagine he's going to be easy to move for value right now. Next year, at 25, he won't be one of those guys who can get by with "I just need more time to figure it out" for very long.
Go ahead and list me some rookies who are more promising?
As for his shooting, his last 2 months he has been shooting better as he has gotten more shots. Excellent? No. But still percentage wise comparable to many good players. So many other players deserve the ire that he is getting on this team. Yes he gets out of position, yes he overcommits. But there is plenty of promise in his abilities. But the 25 game overreaction committee is back again in full force.
It is OK to say he hasn't been very impressive for those 25 games.
Heck, it's OK to say a player sucked using a one-game sample.
As long as there's context behind it. Heck, if LeBron James goes out and shoots 7 - 38 over the next two games... it's fair to say he's playing poorly over those two games. I don't understand the issue here.
The biggest problem (IMO) with Payne and Dieng is they just don't know what to do with the ball a lot of times. This is pure speculation, but Payne and Dieng HAVE to lead the team in traveling violations. They pump fake when its not necessary and often times with Payne, he just tries to juke a guy right or left without proper foot work.
Not knowing what to do with the ball, especially LATELY in this offense with no TRUE PG is something that keeps me calm about their futures. Neither of those guys should be taking people off the dribble regularly or making PG-like decisions. When Rubio is back (along with additional ball handlers like Wiggins, Shabazz, Martin, and Lavine), you would hope that a lot of these situations are removed and Dieng and Payne can settle into more comfortable roles.
8.3 rebounds per 36 minutes. Yes. That's better than Thad Young. But is it rebounding "well"...?
His scoring is poor. His shooting is poor. We'll see next year how much improvement he makes... because I can't imagine he's going to be easy to move for value right now. Next year, at 25, he won't be one of those guys who can get by with "I just need more time to figure it out" for very long.
Go ahead and list me some rookies who are more promising?
As for his shooting, his last 2 months he has been shooting better as he has gotten more shots. Excellent? No. But still percentage wise comparable to many good players. So many other players deserve the ire that he is getting on this team. Yes he gets out of position, yes he overcommits. But there is plenty of promise in his abilities. But the 25 game overreaction committee is back again in full force.
It is OK to say he hasn't been very impressive for those 25 games.
Heck, it's OK to say a player sucked using a one-game sample.
As long as there's context behind it. Heck, if LeBron James goes out and shoots 7 - 38 over the next two games... it's fair to say he's playing poorly over those two games. I don't understand the issue here.
You can say whatever you want in any context, but why ignore the context that he is a rookie and rebounding at a high rate for that context?
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
It is OK to say he hasn't been very impressive for those 25 games.
Heck, it's OK to say a player sucked using a one-game sample.
As long as there's context behind it. Heck, if LeBron James goes out and shoots 7 - 38 over the next two games... it's fair to say he's playing poorly over those two games. I don't understand the issue here.
I agree with what you wrote. I just think some are taking it a bit farther and using the 25 games to define his entire career. Maybe these games will define it. But I would certainly expect him to get more opportunity to prove himself.
8.3 rebounds per 36 minutes. Yes. That's better than Thad Young. But is it rebounding "well"...?
His scoring is poor. His shooting is poor. We'll see next year how much improvement he makes... because I can't imagine he's going to be easy to move for value right now. Next year, at 25, he won't be one of those guys who can get by with "I just need more time to figure it out" for very long.
Go ahead and list me some rookies who are more promising?
As for his shooting, his last 2 months he has been shooting better as he has gotten more shots. Excellent? No. But still percentage wise comparable to many good players. So many other players deserve the ire that he is getting on this team. Yes he gets out of position, yes he overcommits. But there is plenty of promise in his abilities. But the 25 game overreaction committee is back again in full force.
It is OK to say he hasn't been very impressive for those 25 games.
Heck, it's OK to say a player sucked using a one-game sample.
As long as there's context behind it. Heck, if LeBron James goes out and shoots 7 - 38 over the next two games... it's fair to say he's playing poorly over those two games. I don't understand the issue here.
You can say whatever you want in any context, but why ignore the context that he is a rookie and rebounding at a high rate for that context?
8.3 rebounds is good for 133rd in the league. Or, if we just choose rookies over the past 3 seasons, it's good for 41st. I don't care what context you use... I don't see that as good or a high rate.
Serviceable. OK. Decent. Not terrible. Alright. Meh.
8.3 rebounds per 36 minutes. Yes. That's better than Thad Young. But is it rebounding "well"...?
His scoring is poor. His shooting is poor. We'll see next year how much improvement he makes... because I can't imagine he's going to be easy to move for value right now. Next year, at 25, he won't be one of those guys who can get by with "I just need more time to figure it out" for very long.
Go ahead and list me some rookies who are more promising?
As for his shooting, his last 2 months he has been shooting better as he has gotten more shots. Excellent? No. But still percentage wise comparable to many good players. So many other players deserve the ire that he is getting on this team. Yes he gets out of position, yes he overcommits. But there is plenty of promise in his abilities. But the 25 game overreaction committee is back again in full force.
It is OK to say he hasn't been very impressive for those 25 games.
Heck, it's OK to say a player sucked using a one-game sample.
As long as there's context behind it. Heck, if LeBron James goes out and shoots 7 - 38 over the next two games... it's fair to say he's playing poorly over those two games. I don't understand the issue here.
You can say whatever you want in any context, but why ignore the context that he is a rookie and rebounding at a high rate for that context?
8.3 rebounds is good for 133rd in the league. Or, if we just choose rookies over the past 3 seasons, it's good for 41st. I don't care what context you use... I don't see that as good or a high rate.
Serviceable. OK. Decent. Not terrible. Alright. Meh.
Jeff Adrian was 14th on that list. You heard it here folks we are the latest team to cut the next Dennis Rodman. Lol seriously if you want to say It's too early to give up on Paybe that's a legit but I have a hard time seeing anything on the court or stats that are worth giving me hope for. I am more pursuaded by the playing with other crappy players no PG and no practices etc than any stats or whatever. Hopefully Paybe becomes useful. I am not planning on it. Anything above D-league 10-day contract level play we get from him is a bonus. The good news is that it seems like in the past the easiest position in the NBA to fill is PF so hopefully we can do that with someone that's at least an average starter. If we can bring over NB and he is a rotation level guy and then add a budget guy like this article outlines some guys that would come cheap maybe we can find something there.
8.3 rebounds per 36 minutes. Yes. That's better than Thad Young. But is it rebounding "well"...?
His scoring is poor. His shooting is poor. We'll see next year how much improvement he makes... because I can't imagine he's going to be easy to move for value right now. Next year, at 25, he won't be one of those guys who can get by with "I just need more time to figure it out" for very long.
Go ahead and list me some rookies who are more promising?
As for his shooting, his last 2 months he has been shooting better as he has gotten more shots. Excellent? No. But still percentage wise comparable to many good players. So many other players deserve the ire that he is getting on this team. Yes he gets out of position, yes he overcommits. But there is plenty of promise in his abilities. But the 25 game overreaction committee is back again in full force.
It is OK to say he hasn't been very impressive for those 25 games.
Heck, it's OK to say a player sucked using a one-game sample.
As long as there's context behind it. Heck, if LeBron James goes out and shoots 7 - 38 over the next two games... it's fair to say he's playing poorly over those two games. I don't understand the issue here.
The issue is people are calling him a bust and labeling the trade as a big failure with a 25 game sample size. He has played bad, but the pick he was traded for hasn't even been used yet and somehow we've already lost the trade. People can talk about it's trade value all they want, but at the end of the day it simply boils down to Payne vs whoever ends up being the pick and nothing else. Any trade talk is pure opinion as to what it is worth in a trade so it should be thrown out and the trade should only be evaluated for the actual pieces that were moved and not their opportunity cost.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
8.3 rebounds is good for 133rd in the league. Or, if we just choose rookies over the past 3 seasons, it's good for 41st. I don't care what context you use... I don't see that as good or a high rate.
Serviceable. OK. Decent. Not terrible. Alright. Meh.
It's all how you spin it. If we are having fun with small samples, then....Payne averages about 12 points/14 rebounds a game anytime he logs at least 35 minutes in an NBA game.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
8.3 rebounds is good for 133rd in the league. Or, if we just choose rookies over the past 3 seasons, it's good for 41st. I don't care what context you use... I don't see that as good or a high rate.
Serviceable. OK. Decent. Not terrible. Alright. Meh.
It's all how you spin it. If we are having fun with small samples, then....Payne averages about 12 points/14 rebounds a game anytime he logs at least 35 minutes in an NBA game.
Wait a minute... I was told he rebounded "well"... when it was presented without any tangible evidence.
I simply refuted it... with stats. And yet, I'm the one who gets called out? Don't really understand that one, but whatever.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
8.3 rebounds is good for 133rd in the league. Or, if we just choose rookies over the past 3 seasons, it's good for 41st. I don't care what context you use... I don't see that as good or a high rate.
Serviceable. OK. Decent. Not terrible. Alright. Meh.
It's all how you spin it. If we are having fun with small samples, then....Payne averages about 12 points/14 rebounds a game anytime he logs at least 35 minutes in an NBA game.
Wait a minute... I was told he rebounded "well"... when it was presented without any tangible evidence.
I simply refuted it... with stats. And yet, I'm the one who gets called out? Don't really understand that one, but whatever.
I presented tangible evidence for a rookie. You just chose to interpret it as not "well" and average. Nothing but semantics here. You didn't get called out Abe, you were just engaged in a debate in which you willfully entered.
