AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Then, that's on him. Shame on him, actually.
He's in year 4 in the NBA. He played professionally for several years before that. He's made (or guaranteed to make) about $60M by the time he's 29.
He should have been devoting an inordinate amount of time to such a critical part of the game.
I agree with you. But from the time he was a pro (age 5 or something) he was to be a facilitator and not a scorer. That's what his teams wanted him to do and he became great at it. I really don't think his J has gotten much attention at all. And if you look at the mechanics, it's pretty obvious he hasn't. It would be one thing if he had great mechanics and still stunk, but that isn't the case.
I really think him being pro so early in his career actually set him back in certain areas, mainly scoring. It's pretty apparent that they don't teach. I mean look how they used him with his Spanish team lol.
Come on, the guys been playing professionally since he was a teenager. He's must of had thousands and thousands of practices. That's such a silly excuse. Agree with the others in that he is who he is, not everybody in the world can shoot like Curry with 100 years of practice
All I'm saying is if you look at his mechanics, it's clear his shot hasn't been worked on, at least not correctly. It's obvious really to anyone that knows shooting at all. And he doesn't have to be anything close to Curry, we just need him to be the best possible Ricky.
This is what is wrong with this arguement. Ever see Reggie Miller shoot? Or Kevin Martin for that matter? Horrible mechanics. Did no one work with these guys on their shooting? Lot's of players get by with "non-ideal" mechanics. You know what is different between them and Rubio? THEY ARE JUST GOOD SHOOTERS!!!! Some guys have great form and suck at shooting....some guys have horrible form and are great shooters. Some guys just stink at shooting (myself included)....this is Rubio's camp.
khans2k5 wrote:His issue since the All-Star break has been his legs more than anything. He went back to his set shot which just doesn't get much lift. A lot of his 3's have been short because he's shooting with no legs. His better looking shot that he showed at the beginning of the year involved him actually jumping. I just don't get how the All-Star break was enough time to lose all his form he had worked on and shown before the break. The contested shots argument doesn't make sense to me as to why his form reverted. You would want more lift on your shot when it is contested, not less. You can also see in his free throws that he is just pushing the ball in the hoop and not shooting it. Maybe he just didn't have enough confidence with the new form that he just reverted to his comfort zone. It sucks, but it may just be something he never gets comfortable changing. To be honest I've been more disappointed is his lack of improvement in finishing than the shooting. Plenty of guys develop runners and the ability to finish through contact. He's never gone up strong in his career which is the only way to finish through contact at the rim. He's got to pick one or the other and effectively add it to the arsenal or he will never be a top 10 PG. Parker, Rondo and Wall still can't shoot well but they have midrange jumpers that keep the defense honest and they can score when they are around the rim.
Good call on bolded portion. I actually could care less if Rubio never becomes a better long-range shooter. I too get more frustrated that a guy with his size is so insanely bad at or near the hoop. Getting better in this area opens up lot's of benefits to this team.
Rubio needs a full offseason healthy and focused on his shot. It is not about just taking shots it is about getting his muscle memory to take them correctly. It might be harder actually for him because he has to unlearn things. I remember hearing in the past women are better shooters then men because they usually start out with the right form over boys just picking up the ball and throwing it up at the basket.
Q12543 wrote:I don't know, some guys just never become good shooters, no matter how many reps they take. Some are able to adjust their mechanics, take the reps, and not revert back to old habits. Ricky is on a journey right now and it's hard to know where he'll end up.
What I do know is that his overall scoring efficiency gradually improved in each of his first three seasons:
He's at 47.6 TS% so far this season, but he's only played 13 games, with a major injury in the middle of it. We'll see how things shake out at the end of the year, but even if it stays the same, I still won't rule out the possibility of further improvement.
I think one thing that is easy to rule out is that he will never be a Nash or Curry or even Chris Paul. It will never be a strong suit, so all we can do is hope that he makes it less and less of a weakness over time.
Q's post pretty much says it all. The evidence shows a consistent pattern of improvement in Ricky's scoring efficiency. Whether he cintinues to improve and, if so, how much more remains to be seen. Given how well he has always shot from the line (over 80%), how well he shoots in practice since altering his shooting mechanics and his past pattern of improvement, I think he will show further improvement over the next couple seasons until he plateaus. But the beauty of this is that he doesn't have to improve his shooting to continue being a huge positive difference-maker through his passing, rebounding, defense, and overall leadership. Any improvement in his shooting will be a bonus.
Q12543 wrote:I don't know, some guys just never become good shooters, no matter how many reps they take. Some are able to adjust their mechanics, take the reps, and not revert back to old habits. Ricky is on a journey right now and it's hard to know where he'll end up.
What I do know is that his overall scoring efficiency gradually improved in each of his first three seasons:
He's at 47.6 TS% so far this season, but he's only played 13 games, with a major injury in the middle of it. We'll see how things shake out at the end of the year, but even if it stays the same, I still won't rule out the possibility of further improvement.
I think one thing that is easy to rule out is that he will never be a Nash or Curry or even Chris Paul. It will never be a strong suit, so all we can do is hope that he makes it less and less of a weakness over time.
Q's post pretty much says it all. The evidence shows a consistent pattern of improvement in Ricky's scoring efficiency. Whether he cintinues to improve and, if so, how much more remains to be seen. Given how well he has always shot from the line (over 80%), how well he shoots in practice since altering his shooting mechanics and his past pattern of improvement, I think he will show further improvement over the next couple seasons until he plateaus. But the beauty of this is that he doesn't have to improve his shooting to continue being a huge positive difference-maker through his passing, rebounding, defense, and overall leadership. Any improvement in his shooting will be a bonus.
U coddle him more than any other player. U have to realize this? I mean come on, he shoots well in practice? Hitting free throws is not a tell tale sign of a good shooter or even an average one. he can take 3 dribbles, wipe his brow, touch his jersey and hold the ball for 3 seconds to take that shot . That's not possible during live action.
Q12543 wrote:I don't know, some guys just never become good shooters, no matter how many reps they take. Some are able to adjust their mechanics, take the reps, and not revert back to old habits. Ricky is on a journey right now and it's hard to know where he'll end up.
What I do know is that his overall scoring efficiency gradually improved in each of his first three seasons:
He's at 47.6 TS% so far this season, but he's only played 13 games, with a major injury in the middle of it. We'll see how things shake out at the end of the year, but even if it stays the same, I still won't rule out the possibility of further improvement.
I think one thing that is easy to rule out is that he will never be a Nash or Curry or even Chris Paul. It will never be a strong suit, so all we can do is hope that he makes it less and less of a weakness over time.
Q's post pretty much says it all. The evidence shows a consistent pattern of improvement in Ricky's scoring efficiency. Whether he cintinues to improve and, if so, how much more remains to be seen. Given how well he has always shot from the line (over 80%), how well he shoots in practice since altering his shooting mechanics and his past pattern of improvement, I think he will show further improvement over the next couple seasons until he plateaus. But the beauty of this is that he doesn't have to improve his shooting to continue being a huge positive difference-maker through his passing, rebounding, defense, and overall leadership. Any improvement in his shooting will be a bonus.
U coddle him more than any other player. U have to realize this?
Rubio is one player who deserves to be coddled, because he has such a positive impact on this team. There are a lot of stats we can point to, but none more meaningful than this:
Wolves record with Rubio: 7-6
Wolves record w/o Rubio: 6-37
Think about those numbers. Durant goes down and OkC is still a pretty good team. The Bulls continue to compete without Rose. But Ricky goes down, and the team completely collapses. You can make a case that no player is more valuable to his team than Rubio is to the Wolves.
Having said that, conversation about how he can improve his game (and shooting is the main area he could improve) is still appropriate. I think his upside is extraordinary if he learns to finish at the rim and hit the mid-range jump shot. And his consistent free throw excellence tells me he can improve his shooting.
Q12543 wrote:I don't know, some guys just never become good shooters, no matter how many reps they take. Some are able to adjust their mechanics, take the reps, and not revert back to old habits. Ricky is on a journey right now and it's hard to know where he'll end up.
What I do know is that his overall scoring efficiency gradually improved in each of his first three seasons:
He's at 47.6 TS% so far this season, but he's only played 13 games, with a major injury in the middle of it. We'll see how things shake out at the end of the year, but even if it stays the same, I still won't rule out the possibility of further improvement.
I think one thing that is easy to rule out is that he will never be a Nash or Curry or even Chris Paul. It will never be a strong suit, so all we can do is hope that he makes it less and less of a weakness over time.
Q's post pretty much says it all. The evidence shows a consistent pattern of improvement in Ricky's scoring efficiency. Whether he cintinues to improve and, if so, how much more remains to be seen. Given how well he has always shot from the line (over 80%), how well he shoots in practice since altering his shooting mechanics and his past pattern of improvement, I think he will show further improvement over the next couple seasons until he plateaus. But the beauty of this is that he doesn't have to improve his shooting to continue being a huge positive difference-maker through his passing, rebounding, defense, and overall leadership. Any improvement in his shooting will be a bonus.
U coddle him more than any other player. U have to realize this?
Rubio is one player who deserves to be coddled, because he has such a positive impact on this team. There are a lot of stats we can point to, but none more meaningful than this:
Wolves record with Rubio: 7-6
Wolves record w/o Rubio: 6-37
Think about those numbers. Durant goes down and OkC is still a pretty good team. The Bulls continue to compete without Rose. But Ricky goes down, and the team completely collapses. You can make a case that no player is more valuable to his team than Rubio is to the Wolves.
Having said that, conversation about how he can improve his game (and shooting is the main area he could improve) is still appropriate. I think his upside is extraordinary if he learns to finish at the rim and hit the mid-range jump shot. And his consistent free throw excellence tells me he can improve his shooting.
Durant goes down, they have Westbrook and Ibaka. Rubio goes down and there's Pek and Martin. Certainly u see the difference . Ricky healthy and this team is maybe a .500 ball club. Those guys stay healthy and their vying for a championship. I can't agree with that comparison.
And when I say maybe I mean it's never happened before.
Q12543 wrote:I don't know, some guys just never become good shooters, no matter how many reps they take. Some are able to adjust their mechanics, take the reps, and not revert back to old habits. Ricky is on a journey right now and it's hard to know where he'll end up.
What I do know is that his overall scoring efficiency gradually improved in each of his first three seasons:
He's at 47.6 TS% so far this season, but he's only played 13 games, with a major injury in the middle of it. We'll see how things shake out at the end of the year, but even if it stays the same, I still won't rule out the possibility of further improvement.
I think one thing that is easy to rule out is that he will never be a Nash or Curry or even Chris Paul. It will never be a strong suit, so all we can do is hope that he makes it less and less of a weakness over time.
Q's post pretty much says it all. The evidence shows a consistent pattern of improvement in Ricky's scoring efficiency. Whether he cintinues to improve and, if so, how much more remains to be seen. Given how well he has always shot from the line (over 80%), how well he shoots in practice since altering his shooting mechanics and his past pattern of improvement, I think he will show further improvement over the next couple seasons until he plateaus. But the beauty of this is that he doesn't have to improve his shooting to continue being a huge positive difference-maker through his passing, rebounding, defense, and overall leadership. Any improvement in his shooting will be a bonus.
U coddle him more than any other player. U have to realize this?
Rubio is one player who deserves to be coddled, because he has such a positive impact on this team. There are a lot of stats we can point to, but none more meaningful than this:
Wolves record with Rubio: 7-6
Wolves record w/o Rubio: 6-37
Think about those numbers. Durant goes down and OkC is still a pretty good team. The Bulls continue to compete without Rose. But Ricky goes down, and the team completely collapses. You can make a case that no player is more valuable to his team than Rubio is to the Wolves.
Having said that, conversation about how he can improve his game (and shooting is the main area he could improve) is still appropriate. I think his upside is extraordinary if he learns to finish at the rim and hit the mid-range jud mmp shot. And his consistent free throw excellence tells me he can improve his shooting.
Durant goes down, they have Westbrook and Ibaka. Rubio goes down and there's Pek and Martin. Certainly u see the difference . Ricky healthy and this team is maybe a .500 ball club. Those guys stay healthy and their vying for a championship. I can't agree with that comparison.
And when I say maybe I mean it's never happened before.
I'm not talking about the supporting cast, only the impact an individual player has on his team. And win/loss record depending on whether a player is in the lineup or not is the ultimate way to measure that, And I'll challenge anyone to name a team that falls apart as much as the Wolves do when Rubio is out. That's how I define valuable.
Q12543 wrote:I don't know, some guys just never become good shooters, no matter how many reps they take. Some are able to adjust their mechanics, take the reps, and not revert back to old habits. Ricky is on a journey right now and it's hard to know where he'll end up.
What I do know is that his overall scoring efficiency gradually improved in each of his first three seasons:
He's at 47.6 TS% so far this season, but he's only played 13 games, with a major injury in the middle of it. We'll see how things shake out at the end of the year, but even if it stays the same, I still won't rule out the possibility of further improvement.
I think one thing that is easy to rule out is that he will never be a Nash or Curry or even Chris Paul. It will never be a strong suit, so all we can do is hope that he makes it less and less of a weakness over time.
Q's post pretty much says it all. The evidence shows a consistent pattern of improvement in Ricky's scoring efficiency. Whether he cintinues to improve and, if so, how much more remains to be seen. Given how well he has always shot from the line (over 80%), how well he shoots in practice since altering his shooting mechanics and his past pattern of improvement, I think he will show further improvement over the next couple seasons until he plateaus. But the beauty of this is that he doesn't have to improve his shooting to continue being a huge positive difference-maker through his passing, rebounding, defense, and overall leadership. Any improvement in his shooting will be a bonus.
U coddle him more than any other player. U have to realize this?
Rubio is one player who deserves to be coddled, because he has such a positive impact on this team. There are a lot of stats we can point to, but none more meaningful than this:
Wolves record with Rubio: 7-6
Wolves record w/o Rubio: 6-37
Think about those numbers. Durant goes down and OkC is still a pretty good team. The Bulls continue to compete without Rose. But Ricky goes down, and the team completely collapses. You can make a case that no player is more valuable to his team than Rubio is to the Wolves.
Having said that, conversation about how he can improve his game (and shooting is the main area he could improve) is still appropriate. I think his upside is extraordinary if he learns to finish at the rim and hit the mid-range jud mmp shot. And his consistent free throw excellence tells me he can improve his shooting.
Durant goes down, they have Westbrook and Ibaka. Rubio goes down and there's Pek and Martin. Certainly u see the difference . Ricky healthy and this team is maybe a .500 ball club. Those guys stay healthy and their vying for a championship. I can't agree with that comparison.
And when I say maybe I mean it's never happened before.
I'm not talking about the supporting cast, only the impact an individual player has on his team. And win/loss record depending on whether a player is in the lineup or not is the ultimate way to measure that, And I'll challenge anyone to name a team that falls apart as much as the Wolves do when Rubio is out. That's how I define valuable.
When the supporting cast around u is that bad than its easier to make a difference.
By your logic Bradley Beal is the most important player to his team in the league.
Improving his jumper is the only way rubio can ever be an elite player in the league. He knows it as well as the coaching staff.
Look, ricky will never be a good finisher around the basket. He just doesnt have the athletic ability and strength to be one. He always flick his layup and attempts near the rim. That is what we need to accept of him. He just doesnt have the power, body control and hang time. Its always a rush flick shot from him near the basket. He will never develop a tear drop or floater as well. That's just not in his arsenal and it's not a shot anybody can develop.
Thats why its important for him to get his jumper right and get it to a respectable to decent level. Its a shot that will there for him to take in games and Im fine with letting him shoot that shot the rest of the season. Its the only way to improve. Take that shot in actual game situations repeatedly. His shot looks a lot better in pre season and early in the season but seems o revert back to bad habits as of late. I hope he kept working on it in games the rest of the season and actually improves with it.
