Re: Pablo Prigioni?
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:26 am
KiwiMatt wrote:Kendall Marshall intrigues me. Still only 23 years old.
Good passer, respectable shooter and adequate defender.
He's a solid player.
He's a solid player.
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KiwiMatt wrote:Kendall Marshall intrigues me. Still only 23 years old.
Good passer, respectable shooter and adequate defender.
khans2k5 wrote:Q12543 wrote:khans2k5 wrote:I prefer to do as the Spurs do and they consistently had 3 PG's while they developed Corey Joseph. Then when Parker would inevitably miss games they would start Joseph and keep the backup in his normal role like we did with Mo and Zach last year initially. Then if Jones doesn't have it you can have him come off the bench and let the vet backup play with the starting unit. Joseph was brought along slowly, but still got playing time to develop whenever Parker wouldn't play. What if Ricky only misses 20 games? We shouldn't mail in a season playing Tyus and Lavine at PG in those 20 games. The PG stirs the drink so relying on guys who aren't ready affects everyone, not just that player.
I agree with everything you say here. However, it's a little ironic that you cite Corey Joseph as an example of patient development when you have insisted previously that young players can't develop without getting 20+ MPG.
BTW, Corey Joseph has yet to average 20 MPG in any of his four NBA seasons and didn't even play over 1,000 minutes until last season.
When guys have the physical makeup of an NBA player and are lottery picks, then yes they should be playing 20+ MPG's because I think guys learn more by doing than watching from the sidelines. Tyus was taken 24th and isn't physically ready for the NBA. He also plays the position that the other 4 guys on the court heavily depend on to be effective on offense. I think guys like Lavine and Bennett and Payne all have the physical tools to play in the league right away and they need to improve their IQ which is done best by playing in my opinion and not mostly watching. It's also a confidence thing to play more than 20 MPG's and be allowed to get into your rhythm.
Not everyone's game is best suited to come off the bench for spot minutes. Guys who have always known when to pick their spots like Tyus make good bench players because they have existed for large chunks of games without their team needing them to be the guy. Guys like Bennett and Payne couldn't be secondary pieces at UNLV and Michigan St so they don't come into the league knowing how to exist as a second, third or fourth option. That's why it's always shot first and continue the flow of the offense second. They don't know how to exist without the ball which takes time. That's why they float and generally look out of place on the court.
Back to the MPG point, if we would have ended up with any of the other PG's like Grant or Wright I would have been fine playing them right away because I believe Tyus was the only freshmen PG of the bunch and the others had more college experience and more developed frames to handle the NBA. Tyus has the IQ, but he's not physically ready yet. Maybe the IQ is enough for him to be passable, but I think I'd rather he be the emergency backup just this year and give him an off season to improve his physical makeup the best he can and he can be our backup PG starting next year and onward.
Brandon BassHole wrote:Baron Davis!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Q12543 wrote:khans2k5 wrote:Q12543 wrote:khans2k5 wrote:I prefer to do as the Spurs do and they consistently had 3 PG's while they developed Corey Joseph. Then when Parker would inevitably miss games they would start Joseph and keep the backup in his normal role like we did with Mo and Zach last year initially. Then if Jones doesn't have it you can have him come off the bench and let the vet backup play with the starting unit. Joseph was brought along slowly, but still got playing time to develop whenever Parker wouldn't play. What if Ricky only misses 20 games? We shouldn't mail in a season playing Tyus and Lavine at PG in those 20 games. The PG stirs the drink so relying on guys who aren't ready affects everyone, not just that player.
I agree with everything you say here. However, it's a little ironic that you cite Corey Joseph as an example of patient development when you have insisted previously that young players can't develop without getting 20+ MPG.
BTW, Corey Joseph has yet to average 20 MPG in any of his four NBA seasons and didn't even play over 1,000 minutes until last season.
When guys have the physical makeup of an NBA player and are lottery picks, then yes they should be playing 20+ MPG's because I think guys learn more by doing than watching from the sidelines. Tyus was taken 24th and isn't physically ready for the NBA. He also plays the position that the other 4 guys on the court heavily depend on to be effective on offense. I think guys like Lavine and Bennett and Payne all have the physical tools to play in the league right away and they need to improve their IQ which is done best by playing in my opinion and not mostly watching. It's also a confidence thing to play more than 20 MPG's and be allowed to get into your rhythm.
Not everyone's game is best suited to come off the bench for spot minutes. Guys who have always known when to pick their spots like Tyus make good bench players because they have existed for large chunks of games without their team needing them to be the guy. Guys like Bennett and Payne couldn't be secondary pieces at UNLV and Michigan St so they don't come into the league knowing how to exist as a second, third or fourth option. That's why it's always shot first and continue the flow of the offense second. They don't know how to exist without the ball which takes time. That's why they float and generally look out of place on the court.
Back to the MPG point, if we would have ended up with any of the other PG's like Grant or Wright I would have been fine playing them right away because I believe Tyus was the only freshmen PG of the bunch and the others had more college experience and more developed frames to handle the NBA. Tyus has the IQ, but he's not physically ready yet. Maybe the IQ is enough for him to be passable, but I think I'd rather he be the emergency backup just this year and give him an off season to improve his physical makeup the best he can and he can be our backup PG starting next year and onward.
Well, Corey Joseph wasn't just watching from the sidelines. He was playing in the D-league, getting spot minutes in the NBA, and watching from the sidelines. That being said, I agree with your take on Tyus.
After AB's disastrous rookie season and subsequent "throw-in" to the Love-Wiggins deal, all bets were off in my opinion about how he should be developed. There is no reason that he can't follow the similar patience-path of development of many other players, both past and present. But you insisted that he could never develop into a good player without 20+ MPG in the NBA right away. I just found it ironic that you would cite Corey Joseph as an example since he's the poster-child of improvement without having logged significant NBA minutes.
60WinTim wrote:Pablo to Clippers for vet minimum. Figures.
TheSP wrote:60WinTim wrote:Pablo to Clippers for vet minimum. Figures.
If you were Pablo, would you take vet min from a contender or be a last resort backup on a young loser?
KiwiMatt wrote:Kendall Marshall intrigues me. Still only 23 years old.
Good passer, respectable shooter and adequate defender.