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Q12543 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:What is wrong with Jeff Teague? It's no longer just a "he's bad on the eyes, but still effective" thing. He is actually really struggling with his overall shot and offense. I thought I had moved on from Ricky Rubio, but at this rate, I'm really starting to miss him again.

It's the same thing it's always been with him, just more bad games. I honestly don't know what's wrong. I think it's clear he doesn't like Thibodeau, but maybe there's more to it than that.

Either his age caught up to him or hes injured. Quite a few of the 30 yr old pgs are taking a nose dive right now like cp3 and lowry.

Hes really bad at post entry passes and making a quick pass to soneone at the 3 pt line. Ive seen both roco and saric jumping up and diwn wziting for a pass, but both teague and rose dont look in their direction. Its slmost as if the other 4 guys are out their as bail out options.

I'm seeing something very different from you guys. Plus people forget all the possessions Rubio dribbled around for plenty of time and did nothing productive either. Teague is playbe some solid D also. Again Teague never gets the benefit of the doubt.

What are you seeing that is different? He's shooting a career low from the field and a multi-year low on 3's. That is not just "what we're seeing", that is what is actually happening. He's gotta start taking and making some shots. Thibs' whole premise in preferring Teague to Rubio is that we needed a more offensive-minded point guard. Rubio is actually more of a threat to score this year than Teague!

I see a guy doing what many here have asked defensively first and foremost. Most aren't giving him credit for that. If we are doing traditional stats he is averaging a career high in assists at 8 a game on a measly 2.3 TOs a game both would be at or near career highs. He is getting to the FT at a slightly higher rate than last year in fewer minutes. All the dribbling and probing does open up opportunities for guys at times. Do i think Teague is the driving force for a top ____ offense in the league? No. He is a solid starting PG in the league what are we asking of the guy? Does he have some bad possessions? Yes. Every starting NBA PG does. Should Teague jack up some 3's and it's frustrating that he doesn't? Yes. I just see a lot more positives he is bringing than many other here do. The guy is 10 in assist to turnover ratio (Tyus is 2nd). I get why people get frustrated with him. I get frustrated with him but I also see him finding his spots to do his thing and look very comfortable the last stretch of games. If he doesn't get derailed by another injury like he did last year I think there is a chance he breaks through with this new group of guys and looks much better overall than he does now.

You're watching a different game then I am, but you also recently said Taj is a stretch 4 because he's made 9 3's this year on 45% shooting.

Monster, "engaged and decisive" Teague is definitely a good PG, but it just doesn't happen enough. We are paying him a LOT of money to be mediocre. And by any generally accepted stat that looks at a player's overall production or impact, he's mediocre. You just can't argue with that, even though I know you always like to highlight the positives. Yes, there are positives, but there are more negatives.

Q12543 wrote:Monster, "engaged and decisive" Teague is definitely a good PG, but it just doesn't happen enough. We are paying him a LOT of money to be mediocre. And by any generally accepted stat that looks at a player's overall production or impact, he's mediocre. You just can't argue with that, even though I know you always like to highlight the positives. Yes, there are positives, but there are more negatives.

So what are people expecting? People are clamoring for Rubio now. Same level of player. People seem to want or expect Teague to be some star level guy never make any mistakes or whatever. I'm not suggesting the guy is awesome I'm saying the guy is solid. Mediocre starter? That's not a bad player. Good enough? Depends but man people are roasting the guy. I don't see it.

Duke13 wrote:You're watching a different game then I am, but you also recently said Taj is a stretch 4 because he's made 9 3's this year on 45% shooting.

You said you weren't taking the bait. I brought up a point which you just dismissed completely. Not everyone see's the same thing.

monsterpile wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Monster, "engaged and decisive" Teague is definitely a good PG, but it just doesn't happen enough. We are paying him a LOT of money to be mediocre. And by any generally accepted stat that looks at a player's overall production or impact, he's mediocre. You just can't argue with that, even though I know you always like to highlight the positives. Yes, there are positives, but there are more negatives.

So what are people expecting? People are clamoring for Rubio now. Same level of player. People seem to want or expect Teague to be some star level guy never make any mistakes or whatever. I'm not suggesting the guy is awesome I'm saying the guy is solid. Mediocre starter? That's not a bad player. Good enough? Depends but man people are roasting the guy. I don't see it.

I guess I expect more from a guy we're paying so much money to. Some of this is on Thibs and his ball-dominant-guard offense. It feeds Teague's worst tendencies. I guess I want the Atlanta Teague, that's what I expect. It probably requires a new coach.

Q12543 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Monster, "engaged and decisive" Teague is definitely a good PG, but it just doesn't happen enough. We are paying him a LOT of money to be mediocre. And by any generally accepted stat that looks at a player's overall production or impact, he's mediocre. You just can't argue with that, even though I know you always like to highlight the positives. Yes, there are positives, but there are more negatives.

So what are people expecting? People are clamoring for Rubio now. Same level of player. People seem to want or expect Teague to be some star level guy never make any mistakes or whatever. I'm not suggesting the guy is awesome I'm saying the guy is solid. Mediocre starter? That's not a bad player. Good enough? Depends but man people are roasting the guy. I don't see it.

I guess I expect more from a guy we're paying so much money to. Some of this is on Thibs and his ball-dominant-guard offense. It feeds Teague's worst tendencies. I guess I want the Atlanta Teague, that's what I expect. It probably requires a new coach.

That's fair Q. I was hoping for more from Teague and I think even if there isn't belief in Thibs (fair) I think there is more there. He isn't gonna keep shooting under 40% from the field the rest of the season. Indecisiveness later in games and his reluctance to shoot 3's are the things that are the most maddening. Again we are talking about a solid starter type. If he didn't have some of these issues he would be a much better player. I also think at times it's worthwhile to assess a guy's play beyond his contract numbers.

Q12543 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Monster, "engaged and decisive" Teague is definitely a good PG, but it just doesn't happen enough. We are paying him a LOT of money to be mediocre. And by any generally accepted stat that looks at a player's overall production or impact, he's mediocre. You just can't argue with that, even though I know you always like to highlight the positives. Yes, there are positives, but there are more negatives.

So what are people expecting? People are clamoring for Rubio now. Same level of player. People seem to want or expect Teague to be some star level guy never make any mistakes or whatever. I'm not suggesting the guy is awesome I'm saying the guy is solid. Mediocre starter? That's not a bad player. Good enough? Depends but man people are roasting the guy. I don't see it.

I guess I expect more from a guy we're paying so much money to. Some of this is on Thibs and his ball-dominant-guard offense. It feeds Teague's worst tendencies. I guess I want the Atlanta Teague, that's what I expect. It probably requires a new coach.

I think the hardest part to wrap your head around in the NBA now is that 19mil is significant but not a ton of money. I wonder how Houston fans are feeling about paying CP3 35 mil moving to 44mil in 21/22. Yikes.

To your general point, Teague has got to play better. I think it's tough to expect a change in mentality, he needs to shoot quicker off the ball, which really hasn't ever been a role for him in the past.

monsterpile wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Monster, "engaged and decisive" Teague is definitely a good PG, but it just doesn't happen enough. We are paying him a LOT of money to be mediocre. And by any generally accepted stat that looks at a player's overall production or impact, he's mediocre. You just can't argue with that, even though I know you always like to highlight the positives. Yes, there are positives, but there are more negatives.

So what are people expecting? People are clamoring for Rubio now. Same level of player. People seem to want or expect Teague to be some star level guy never make any mistakes or whatever. I'm not suggesting the guy is awesome I'm saying the guy is solid. Mediocre starter? That's not a bad player. Good enough? Depends but man people are roasting the guy. I don't see it.

I guess I expect more from a guy we're paying so much money to. Some of this is on Thibs and his ball-dominant-guard offense. It feeds Teague's worst tendencies. I guess I want the Atlanta Teague, that's what I expect. It probably requires a new coach.

That's fair Q. I was hoping for more from Teague and I think even if there isn't belief in Thibs (fair) I think there is more there. He isn't gonna keep shooting under 40% from the field the rest of the season. Indecisiveness later in games and his reluctance to shoot 3's are the things that are the most maddening. Again we are talking about a solid starter type. If he didn't have some of these issues he would be a much better player. I also think at times it's worthwhile to assess a guy's play beyond his contract numbers.

I don't consider him a solid starter on the wolves. He plays defense for approximately 5 minutes of his on court time. He stops playing period, every time a shot goes up. If it wasn't so time intensive, it might be worth going back and calculating how many % pts he costs Wig with the last second shots. If Teague isn't feeling it get it to somebody else with enough shot clock to do something. Teague is a lousy passer as well, and rarely sets anyone up for an easy basket.

Maybe it is Thibs, and his lack of offense, but Rubio out shines Teague in every aspect of the game other than shooting (normally) and was making less money.

sjm34 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Monster, "engaged and decisive" Teague is definitely a good PG, but it just doesn't happen enough. We are paying him a LOT of money to be mediocre. And by any generally accepted stat that looks at a player's overall production or impact, he's mediocre. You just can't argue with that, even though I know you always like to highlight the positives. Yes, there are positives, but there are more negatives.

So what are people expecting? People are clamoring for Rubio now. Same level of player. People seem to want or expect Teague to be some star level guy never make any mistakes or whatever. I'm not suggesting the guy is awesome I'm saying the guy is solid. Mediocre starter? That's not a bad player. Good enough? Depends but man people are roasting the guy. I don't see it.

I guess I expect more from a guy we're paying so much money to. Some of this is on Thibs and his ball-dominant-guard offense. It feeds Teague's worst tendencies. I guess I want the Atlanta Teague, that's what I expect. It probably requires a new coach.

That's fair Q. I was hoping for more from Teague and I think even if there isn't belief in Thibs (fair) I think there is more there. He isn't gonna keep shooting under 40% from the field the rest of the season. Indecisiveness later in games and his reluctance to shoot 3's are the things that are the most maddening. Again we are talking about a solid starter type. If he didn't have some of these issues he would be a much better player. I also think at times it's worthwhile to assess a guy's play beyond his contract numbers.

I don't consider him a solid starter on the wolves. He plays defense for approximately 5 minutes of his on court time. He stops playing period, every time a shot goes up. If it wasn't so time intensive, it might be worth going back and calculating how many % pts he costs Wig with the last second shots. If Teague isn't feeling it get it to somebody else with enough shot clock to do something. Teague is a lousy passer as well, and rarely sets anyone up for an easy basket.

Maybe it is Thibs, and his lack of offense, but Rubio out shines Teague in every aspect of the game other than shooting (normally) and was making less money.

That might be a little over the top. He is averaging a career high in assists, so he is setting up some guys for easy buckets. Taj for example is well above his career average in percentage of shots from 0-3 feet. I imagine a lot of these attempts are set up by Teague.

I just want to see him shoot the 3 when it's open. His contemporaries like Conley and Paul have made the adjustment to the modern game by getting up more 3's. Teague has not done the same. I blame both him and Thibs for this.