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Re: Wolves One Last Significant Move?
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:27 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
Q12543 wrote:monsterpile wrote:60WinTim wrote:monsterpile wrote:Q12543 wrote:This is the position Thibs has put us in because of the Taj signing (and Teague with his $5M higher price tag than Rubio). If we had held onto Rubio and signed someone like Patrick Patterson at PF, it would have allowed us to go find a very solid wing that can backup Butler and Wiggins. Now we're on a desperate fishing expedition....
I think OKC has played this offseason absolutely beautifully. Similar to the Wolves, they really struggled with 3-point shooting last year. What did they do? Unloaded two mediocre players in Sabonis and Oladipo for a superstar that can shoot and offload some of the ball handling from Westbrook in Paul George, then signed a PF that can shoot to a very cheap deal. They are now a legitimate threat in the West because they addressed by far their biggest need without really sacrificing anything.
Yes they played things out really well. Look at the money aspect of what they did also. Dipo and Sabonis were like 23.5 million and George and Patterson will be around 24.5 million. Lol It's pretty easy to argue that for this season they got better players in both and a fairly neglegable amount of money to do so.
Now about the next season when the Lakers use cap space to sign George...
Like Phenom said someone taking Dipo's contract isn't all bad. I'm still a fan of his but let's say the worst happens for OKC in a year and Westbrook and PG walk...they will have a bunch of cap space and a pretty young roster to work with.
Exactly Monster. They had absolutely nothing to lose, as they were only going to hit a wall in the first or second round of the playoffs again with just Westbrook. Now they are in the mix for the top 3 or 4 in the Conference. And if Westbrook and Paul George bolt, they can start with a clean slate.
I think they figured Westbrook was gone anyway... so why not swing for the fences.
We know OKC is a market when things are good. Would that market be able to withstand an extended crap run like the Wolves have endured?
It is the only pro team in town... so... maybe?
Re: Wolves One Last Significant Move?
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:30 pm
by TheFuture
Id say they can weather it. They will still have so,e decent pieces in Adams, Abrines, Roberson, Kanter, McDermott, 2Pat that they can move to jumpstart a rebuild. Plus plenty of cap room to be a dumping ground for picks.
Re: Wolves One Last Significant Move?
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:32 pm
by SameOldNudityDrew
TheFuture wrote:Id say they can weather it. They will still have so,e decent pieces in Adams, Abrines, Roberson, Kanter, McDermott, 2Pat that they can move to jumpstart a rebuild. Plus plenty of cap room to be a dumping ground for picks.
Yuck. That is a bad place to start. They'll want to take on bad contracts like Noah and Deng in hopes of picking up future firsts and young talent to build with, because they really don't have any of their own.
Re: Wolves One Last Significant Move?
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:35 pm
by TheFuture
SameOldNudityDrew wrote:TheFuture wrote:Id say they can weather it. They will still have so,e decent pieces in Adams, Abrines, Roberson, Kanter, McDermott, 2Pat that they can move to jumpstart a rebuild. Plus plenty of cap room to be a dumping ground for picks.
Yuck. That is a bad place to start. They'll want to take on bad contracts like Noah and Deng in hopes of picking up future firsts and young talent to build with, because they really don't have any of their own.
Yeah, not overly pretty, but I doubt they'd go thirteen years of gutter dwelling like we did. And we only saw past the 1st round once before that where they saw some great basketball! Or maybe that's why it was so easy for us to hold onto TheFuture?!?
Re: Wolves One Last Significant Move?
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:00 pm
by SameOldNudityDrew
TheFuture wrote:SameOldNudityDrew wrote:TheFuture wrote:Id say they can weather it. They will still have so,e decent pieces in Adams, Abrines, Roberson, Kanter, McDermott, 2Pat that they can move to jumpstart a rebuild. Plus plenty of cap room to be a dumping ground for picks.
Yuck. That is a bad place to start. They'll want to take on bad contracts like Noah and Deng in hopes of picking up future firsts and young talent to build with, because they really don't have any of their own.
Yeah, not overly pretty, but I doubt they'd go thirteen years of gutter dwelling like we did. And we only saw past the 1st round once before that where they saw some great basketball! Or maybe that's why it was so easy for us to hold onto TheFuture?!?
It's crazy how perfectly everything was set up for OKC before the Harden trade. They had 3 guys who each turned out to be MVP candidates plus a young Ibaka. If they had been willing to pay the luxury tax, or convinced the guys to each take a percentage of a pay cut from the max, we might have been talking about the OKC dynasty of the last 4 or 5 years. Seriously, put those 4 guys on the floor with a D league roster and you've still got a really good playoff team.
Re: Wolves One Last Significant Move?
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:13 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
SameOldNudityDrew wrote:TheFuture wrote:SameOldNudityDrew wrote:TheFuture wrote:Id say they can weather it. They will still have so,e decent pieces in Adams, Abrines, Roberson, Kanter, McDermott, 2Pat that they can move to jumpstart a rebuild. Plus plenty of cap room to be a dumping ground for picks.
Yuck. That is a bad place to start. They'll want to take on bad contracts like Noah and Deng in hopes of picking up future firsts and young talent to build with, because they really don't have any of their own.
Yeah, not overly pretty, but I doubt they'd go thirteen years of gutter dwelling like we did. And we only saw past the 1st round once before that where they saw some great basketball! Or maybe that's why it was so easy for us to hold onto TheFuture?!?
It's crazy how perfectly everything was set up for OKC before the Harden trade. They had 3 guys who each turned out to be MVP candidates plus a young Ibaka. If they had been willing to pay the luxury tax, or convinced the guys to each take a percentage of a pay cut from the max, we might have been talking about the OKC dynasty of the last 4 or 5 years. Seriously, put those 4 guys on the floor with a D league roster and you've still got a really good playoff team.
Another reason to hate the OKC owners... e.g., Clay Bennett?
They knew they had a ton of goodwill from the local fanbase still in the honeymoon phase of NBA fandom. The owners got to have their cake and eat it, too.
Re: Wolves One Last Significant Move?
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:35 pm
by Monster
The difference between OKC and the Wolves is their GM actually has a legit history of drafting good players and or turning them into better players and assets. They basically took the assets they got for Ibaka and turned them into Paul George. The only 1st round pick that hasn't been a pretty good player is Mitch McGary and he was a boom or bust pick but when up in smoke...literally. They haven't nailed everything they have done but it's been a pretty impressive run. I'd feel confident that they could find them self to be sort of a Jazz built type of team pretty in less than 5 years after the reset button. The only worry would be if they are left with nothing and another franchise calls with an attractive situation to sign Presti away.
Re: Wolves One Last Significant Move?
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:37 pm
by Monster
Nooooooo!!!!!! We didn't get Nick Young!!! Ahhhhhh!!!!
Jk
The good news is one of the teams that has an attractive situation with a bit of money is out of the picture. Hopefully we can get another player now that may have been an option for GS. Honestly I'm probably more disappointed that they signed Casspi for the vet min than losing Young. Casspi will be a nice fit there.
Re: Wolves One Last Significant Move?
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:27 pm
by Monster
Give me Gerald Henderson for the room Dunlevey and or Rush for the vet min and the best backup PG scoring ball handler the vet min can get.
After that sign a couple young guys to some partially guaranteed deals and hope they impress.
I don't think something like my plan is unrealistic and the bench would be decent. It won't be perfect but I don't see many options that will fix the bench might as well go cheap and probably all on 1 year deals except maybe a young player Dona cheap multitear deal.
Re: Wolves One Last Significant Move?
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:37 pm
by Lipoli390
monsterpile wrote:Give me Gerald Henderson for the room Dunlevey and or Rush for the vet min and the best backup PG scoring ball handler the vet min can get.
After that sign a couple young guys to some partially guaranteed deals and hope they impress.
I don't think something like my plan is unrealistic and the bench would be decent. It won't be perfect but I don't see many options that will fix the bench might as well go cheap and probably all on 1 year deals except maybe a young player Dona cheap multitear deal.
Monster - I'd be fine with your scenario of using the RE to get Henderson and the vet minimum to sign Dunleavy, Rush and a good vet backup PG. My suggestion for PG would be Aaron Brooks who would also add much-needed 3-point shooting to the roster. Brooks is a career 37% 3-point shooter and a true ball-handling PG. Is Thabo still available and, if so, do you think we could get him for the vet minimum? And what about Afflalo? Is he still unsigned? Would you rather use the RE on Henderson than Afflalo and, if so, why? I'm not sure myself, so I'm curious as to your thinking.