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AbeVigodaLive wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j8mrpgw

Why would Portland do that?

They want Bazz. They are just giving up bench players. Maybe a change of scenery helps.

So they'll give up 2 rotation bench players for 1 rotation bench players?

Ed Davis is getting 21+ mpg on a potential playoff team. You think they're cool with swapping A. Payne in for him?

Frankly, Ed Davis isn't the critical part of the trade for me. He's been a journeyman playing for his 4th team. I viewed him more as salary filler. I like the defensive orientation and potential of Mo Harkless and the cheap contract and athleticism of Connaughton.

TeamRicky wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j8mrpgw

Why would Portland do that?

They want Bazz. They are just giving up bench players. Maybe a change of scenery helps.

So they'll give up 2 rotation bench players for 1 rotation bench players?

Ed Davis is getting 21+ mpg on a potential playoff team. You think they're cool with swapping A. Payne in for him?

Frankly, Ed Davis isn't the critical part of the trade for me. He's been a journeyman playing for his 4th team. I viewed him more as salary filler. I like the defensive orientation and potential of Mo Harkless and the cheap contract and athleticism of Connaughton.

1. Maybe Portland likes that about those guys, too. After all, they just acquired them in the past few months. They must like something about them.
2. But Davis is a big deal for Portland. Portland just signed him to the biggest contract of his life in July for a reason. And by all reports, he's lived up to that contract. He has a key role on a team battling for the playoffs right now. But you think they've soured on him so much that they'll dump him for A. Payne?

Connaughton is gonna have a lot of value in baseball towns were he can pull double duty as a pitcher. Too bad Portland doesn't have a baseball franchise I think the Twins could give up an outfielder from their depth of their organization at that position to get him.

Wonder what the board thinks about this. It may have been mentioned already, I'm not sure. Either way, I'd pull the trigger and the Kings might too.

MIN: Marco Belinelli (2016-17: $6.33M; 2017-18: $6.61M), Ben McLemore (2016-17: $4.00M; 2017-18: $5.37M QO)

SAC: Kevin Martin (2016-17: $7.38M PO), Adreian Payne (2016-17: $2.00M; 2017-18: $3.10M TO; 2018-19: $4.33 QO)

We get Belinelli, who's in the midst of a down shooting year from the field and from three, but he's been consistently good there since his rookie year. Career 38% shooter from behind the arc. Can be quite useful when used properly. We also roll the dice on McLemore. Impressive athlete, pretty jumper, getting better on defense. Continues to improve his 3P% from year to year, though his overall development hasn't been as fast as hoped in SAC. Could use a change of scenery perhaps.

Why would the Kings do this? Martin's deal is a year shorter than Beli's and he has a history there. Even more than that, he could MAYBE be a good boost to their playoff push this year. We've seen how he can fill it up efficiently while he's been in MIN. Payne's another struggling young-ish player that has some physical traits that are intriguing. Long, athletic, energetic, potential as a shooter.

Camden0916 wrote:Wonder what the board thinks about this. It may have been mentioned already, I'm not sure. Either way, I'd pull the trigger and the Kings might too.

MIN: Marco Belinelli (2016-17: $6.33M; 2017-18: $6.61M), Ben McLemore (2016-17: $4.00M; 2017-18: $5.37M QO)

SAC: Kevin Martin (2016-17: $7.38M PO), Adreian Payne (2016-17: $2.00M; 2017-18: $3.10M TO; 2018-19: $4.33 QO)

We get Belinelli, who's in the midst of a down shooting year from the field and from three, but he's been consistently good there since his rookie year. Career 38% shooter from behind the arc. Can be quite useful when used properly. We also roll the dice on McLemore. Impressive athlete, pretty jumper, getting better on defense. Continues to improve his 3P% from year to year, though his overall development hasn't been as fast as hoped in SAC. Could use a change of scenery perhaps.

Why would the Kings do this? Martin's deal is a year shorter than Beli's and he has a history there. Even more than that, he could MAYBE be a good boost to their playoff push this year. We've seen how he can fill it up efficiently while he's been in MIN. Payne's another struggling young-ish player that has some physical traits that are intriguing. Long, athletic, energetic, potential as a shooter.

Honestly I feel that's one sided towards the Wolves but I am sort of a Belinelli fan in that he always seems somewhat under appreciated. McLemore seems to be a somewhat useful player that seems to at least be trending to a 3 and D type which seems more valuable than what Payne might give. I see the Cavs are interested which makes a lot of sense. We don't know if the Mongs have a clue what they are doing so maybe they would love this deal and Martin in theory is the best talent in the deal.

Cam, you said you'd trade Payne for a "turkey sandwich" now he's a "long, athletic, energetic, potential as a shooter" and along with KMart is worthy of Ben McLemore?? LOL

TeamRicky wrote:Cam, you said you'd trade Payne for a "turkey sandwich" now he's a "long, athletic, energetic, potential as a shooter" and along with KMart is worthy of Ben McLemore?? LOL

1. I like turkey sandwiches.

2. Payne has all those qualities. I've never denied a single one of them. He's just not very basketball smart and that's quite evident.

3. Believe it or not, McLemore doesn't have a whole lot more value than Payne. He has slightly more value because he's younger and provides a skill that is necessary in the NBA (3P shooting), but other than that, you could argue he's been a bigger bust than Payne.

4. Payne isn't the main reason they might do that trade. You'd hope they have interest in a player they've had before in Martin.

Cam,that is a terrible trade for the kings and unrealistic.

You made very good cases for marco and mclemore. Which is the same reason why the kings keep those two.

Payne and martin has zero to negative trade value. We should be happy if someone offer a 2nd pick or turkey sandwiches for them.

Cousins might punch martin if he ever plays with him. Martin hunts for his shots constantly. He doesn't pass or play defense. You need to feature martin to get the most out of him. We saw first hand how a reduced role makes martin unplayable.

worldK wrote:Cam,that is a terrible trade for the kings and unrealistic.

You made very good cases for marco and mclemore. Which is the same reason why the kings keep those two.

Payne and martin has zero to negative trade value. We should be happy if someone offer a 2nd pick or turkey sandwiches for them.

Cousins might punch martin if he ever plays with him. Martin hunts for his shots constantly. He doesn't pass or play defense. You need to feature martin to get the most out of him. We saw first hand how a reduced role makes martin unplayable.

We saw Martin play a reduced role the last two years and he was still an efficient scorer. He hasn't been any good this year, but I think it's not all him. When he was getting minutes, he was playing with other shot-hunters in LaVine and Bazz. That whole unit was awful and selfish play from everyone was part of the problem.

I think of the Sacramento situation as the Minnesota situation we had just a year and a half ago with Love. Chasing the playoffs. Keep in mind Martin was pretty decent when the situation wasn't a rebuilding one. Cousins, Gay, Rondo and some other OK veterans. Perhaps Martin would play better with better players. I'm not saying he's the near All-Star he was in his first stint there, but I think he'd help more than McLemore or Belinelli.

We think of Martin now as absolute garbage from his play this year. I think we might be too harsh on the guy.

Camden wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:Cam, you said you'd trade Payne for a "turkey sandwich" now he's a "long, athletic, energetic, potential as a shooter" and along with KMart is worthy of Ben McLemore?? LOL

1. I like turkey sandwiches.

2. Payne has all those qualities. I've never denied a single one of them. He's just not very basketball smart and that's quite evident.

3. Believe it or not, McLemore doesn't have a whole lot more value than Payne. He has slightly more value because he's younger and provides a skill that is necessary in the NBA (3P shooting), but other than that, you could argue he's been a bigger bust than Payne.

4. Payne isn't the main reason they might do that trade. You'd hope they have interest in a player they've had before in Martin.

I'd be thrilled if we got Ben McLemore. I think he's got more upside than Bazz or Payne. He's got more tools than either. He is in a dysfunctional environment in Sacramento, but he could thrive elsewhere.