Sam Mitchell Interview -B Robson Parts one and two(pg 4)

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that part about changing something what is cemented as a habit is very true, i know that very well as i was into sports a lot and i also played the violoncello at really high level (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyaE64LYf_s this is piece i played as a 19yo, i do not have my own video though :-(, then i decided to pursue completely different career :-) )

when it comes to jumpshooting for example, it should be one fluid motion involving like every single muscle in your body, if you try to use brain during that motion to correct stuff. You will end up with hitches. So that if you want to change it, you have to go through immense number of repetitions to fixate new form. And even then when stakes are higher and you play for a lot of people (does not matter what sport or activity it is) old mistakes might leak out anyway, no matter how much work and effort you put into removing them.

so a lot of stuff we see from our youngsters are actually bad habits, which are really hard to change and sometimes even impossible. You then have to figure out how to live with that bad habit or even use it as an advantage as people are not used to guard it etc.

Now what i hate about Sam and his narrative. He speaks about guys like they are some inferior people. They should know this, they should know that. It is terrible to speak about them like this to media. You should show them what to do and then jump all over them if there is effort lacking, but you should never go public about it.

And worst part. Sam looks pissed all the time and not enjoying the job at all, and if he cannot hide this in front of cameras, i do not even want to imagine how bad it has to be in practices. He should just go, all he will manage to do is fixate ton of new bad habits as youngters will refuse to listen to him at all.
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The thing that bothers me about the 3-point shot issue is that when Mitchell states, "Yeah, well who are you going to have shoot them?", we never hear the interviewer (Britt in this case) respond with, "The same people you have shooting all those long 2's that are worth 33% fewer points! Do you believe by moving two or three steps further out, that they will lose a 1/3rd or more of their accuracy?"

The thing that both Flip and Mitchell never seem to understand is that the 33% premium you get in a 3-point shot easily exceeds the resulting reduction in accuracy you get from stepping out a few more feet. So when KAT is hitting 45% of his long 2's, he only has to hit 30% of his 3's to break even. Most folks would say 30% isn't great, and it isn't. But it's no worse than shooting 45% on 2's. Plus, my guess is that with a green light and more attempts, KAT would easily exceed 30% on his 3-point shots.
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m4gor wrote:that part about changing something what is cemented as a habit is very true, i know that very well as i was into sports a lot and i also played the violoncello at really high level (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyaE64LYf_s this is piece i played as a 19yo, i do not have my own video though :-(, then i decided to pursue completely different career :-) )

when it comes to jumpshooting for example, it should be one fluid motion involving like every single muscle in your body, if you try to use brain during that motion to correct stuff. You will end up with hitches. So that if you want to change it, you have to go through immense number of repetitions to fixate new form. And even then when stakes are higher and you play for a lot of people (does not matter what sport or activity it is) old mistakes might leak out anyway, no matter how much work and effort you put into removing them.

so a lot of stuff we see from our youngsters are actually bad habits, which are really hard to change and sometimes even impossible. You then have to figure out how to live with that bad habit or even use it as an advantage as people are not used to guard it etc.

Now what i hate about Sam and his narrative. He speaks about guys like they are some inferior people. They should know this, they should know that. It is terrible to speak about them like this to media. You should show them what to do and then jump all over them if there is effort lacking, but you should never go public about it.

And worst part. Sam looks pissed all the time and not enjoying the job at all, and if he cannot hide this in front of cameras, i do not even want to imagine how bad it has to be in practices. He should just go, all he will manage to do is fixate ton of new bad habits as youngters will refuse to listen to him at all.


Very true. While I actually agree with a lot Sam's lamentations about the young guys and their lack of basketball IQ, he really should tone it down with the media. Poor form on his part.
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Q12543 wrote:The thing that bothers me about the 3-point shot issue is that when Mitchell states, "Yeah, well who are you going to have shoot them?", we never hear the interviewer (Britt in this case) respond with, "The same people you have shooting all those long 2's that are worth 33% fewer points! Do you believe by moving two or three steps further out, that they will lose a 1/3rd or more of their accuracy?"

The thing that both Flip and Mitchell never seem to understand is that the 33% premium you get in a 3-point shot easily exceeds the resulting reduction in accuracy you get from stepping out a few more feet. So when KAT is hitting 45% of his long 2's, he only has to hit 30% of his 3's to break even. Most folks would say 30% isn't great, and it isn't. But it's no worse than shooting 45% on 2's. Plus, my guess is that with a green light and more attempts, KAT would easily exceed 30% on his 3-point shots.


Those kind of smart ass responses from the media would just lead to getting put in the dog house with access.
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khans2k5 wrote:
Q12543 wrote:The thing that bothers me about the 3-point shot issue is that when Mitchell states, "Yeah, well who are you going to have shoot them?", we never hear the interviewer (Britt in this case) respond with, "The same people you have shooting all those long 2's that are worth 33% fewer points! Do you believe by moving two or three steps further out, that they will lose a 1/3rd or more of their accuracy?"

The thing that both Flip and Mitchell never seem to understand is that the 33% premium you get in a 3-point shot easily exceeds the resulting reduction in accuracy you get from stepping out a few more feet. So when KAT is hitting 45% of his long 2's, he only has to hit 30% of his 3's to break even. Most folks would say 30% isn't great, and it isn't. But it's no worse than shooting 45% on 2's. Plus, my guess is that with a green light and more attempts, KAT would easily exceed 30% on his 3-point shots.


Those kind of smart ass responses from the media would just lead to getting put in the dog house with access.


Oh, I'm sure Britt could ask it more diplomatically, yet still get at the issue. He could even use the classic, "Some fans don't understand why...." trick.
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I'm no Mitchell supporter but he makes many great points that I as a casual BB fan never consider, never knew to consider. It's easy to just lay blame at Sam's feet, and in many ways it's appropriate, but much of what he talks about helps me to understand what I've been seeing from this team in terms of spacing and screens and the like.

After reading these two articles I have a lot more respect for Sam, and a lot more respect for just how big a job he faces with this particular group of players. For as much as Wiggins gets 20 a game it's clear to even the casual viewer that he has a long ways to go, the same for a guy like KAT, his game is far more mature than he is, yet he still has a long ways to go. Move on from the two cornerstones and your find guys like G, Bazz, and Zach who all clearly have great physical abilities but struggle mightily with the whys and hows which is further compounded by having a savvy vet like Rubio who's own shortcomings shine a spotlight on his young teammates weaknesses rather than help hide them.

I've said before and i say again, I'm fine with having Sam coaching this team, just not as a head coach.
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Q12543 wrote:The thing that bothers me about the 3-point shot issue is that when Mitchell states, "Yeah, well who are you going to have shoot them?", we never hear the interviewer (Britt in this case) respond with, "The same people you have shooting all those long 2's that are worth 33% fewer points! Do you believe by moving two or three steps further out, that they will lose a 1/3rd or more of their accuracy?"

The thing that both Flip and Mitchell never seem to understand is that the 33% premium you get in a 3-point shot easily exceeds the resulting reduction in accuracy you get from stepping out a few more feet. So when KAT is hitting 45% of his long 2's, he only has to hit 30% of his 3's to break even. Most folks would say 30% isn't great, and it isn't. But it's no worse than shooting 45% on 2's. Plus, my guess is that with a green light and more attempts, KAT would easily exceed 30% on his 3-point shots.


Q if I remember right the reason they were talking about the subject was Brit pointing out how many long 2's they took. What more were you wanting Brit to do? I get your frustration but often both Flip and Sam haven't left much for you to say after trying talk about the subject unless you want to engage and basically combat them. Make no mistake in those cases both guys would/will fight back with their thoughts and optinions but it's a different feel from how they come at you no doubt.
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SP4MaybeNextYear wrote:I'm no Mitchell supporter but he makes many great points that I as a casual BB fan never consider, never knew to consider. It's easy to just lay blame at Sam's feet, and in many ways it's appropriate, but much of what he talks about helps me to understand what I've been seeing from this team in terms of spacing and screens and the like.

After reading these two articles I have a lot more respect for Sam, and a lot more respect for just how big a job he faces with this particular group of players. For as much as Wiggins gets 20 a game it's clear to even the casual viewer that he has a long ways to go, the same for a guy like KAT, his game is far more mature than he is, yet he still has a long ways to go. Move on from the two cornerstones and your find guys like G, Bazz, and Zach who all clearly have great physical abilities but struggle mightily with the whys and hows which is further compounded by having a savvy vet like Rubio who's own shortcomings shine a spotlight on his young teammates weaknesses rather than help hide them.

I've said before and i say again, I'm fine with having Sam coaching this team, just not as a head coach.


Great post. Sam as AP guy would say "Pulls back the curtain" here and gives you a lot of info and perspective that's really interesting that you don't get alot of times. I tried to take a step back and take in some of that info considering Sam just as a basketball mind regardless of what position he has for this franchise.
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monsterpile wrote:
Q12543 wrote:The thing that bothers me about the 3-point shot issue is that when Mitchell states, "Yeah, well who are you going to have shoot them?", we never hear the interviewer (Britt in this case) respond with, "The same people you have shooting all those long 2's that are worth 33% fewer points! Do you believe by moving two or three steps further out, that they will lose a 1/3rd or more of their accuracy?"

The thing that both Flip and Mitchell never seem to understand is that the 33% premium you get in a 3-point shot easily exceeds the resulting reduction in accuracy you get from stepping out a few more feet. So when KAT is hitting 45% of his long 2's, he only has to hit 30% of his 3's to break even. Most folks would say 30% isn't great, and it isn't. But it's no worse than shooting 45% on 2's. Plus, my guess is that with a green light and more attempts, KAT would easily exceed 30% on his 3-point shots.


Q if I remember right the reason they were talking about the subject was Brit pointing out how many long 2's they took. What more were you wanting Brit to do? I get your frustration but often both Flip and Sam haven't left much for you to say after trying talk about the subject unless you want to engage and basically combat them. Make no mistake in those cases both guys would/will fight back with their thoughts and optinions but it's a different feel from how they come at you no doubt.


Just what I suggested. When Sam responded to Britt's question about how many long 2's they take and lack of 3's, he said, "But who is going to shoot them?". At that point, I think Britt had a great opportunity to retort with a better follow up question.

Bah, it doesn't matter much. No one from the media is going to influence Sam anyway.
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monsterpile wrote:
SP4MaybeNextYear wrote:I'm no Mitchell supporter but he makes many great points that I as a casual BB fan never consider, never knew to consider. It's easy to just lay blame at Sam's feet, and in many ways it's appropriate, but much of what he talks about helps me to understand what I've been seeing from this team in terms of spacing and screens and the like.

After reading these two articles I have a lot more respect for Sam, and a lot more respect for just how big a job he faces with this particular group of players. For as much as Wiggins gets 20 a game it's clear to even the casual viewer that he has a long ways to go, the same for a guy like KAT, his game is far more mature than he is, yet he still has a long ways to go. Move on from the two cornerstones and your find guys like G, Bazz, and Zach who all clearly have great physical abilities but struggle mightily with the whys and hows which is further compounded by having a savvy vet like Rubio who's own shortcomings shine a spotlight on his young teammates weaknesses rather than help hide them.

I've said before and i say again, I'm fine with having Sam coaching this team, just not as a head coach.


Great post. Sam as AP guy would say "Pulls back the curtain" here and gives you a lot of info and perspective that's really interesting that you don't get alot of times. I tried to take a step back and take in some of that info considering Sam just as a basketball mind regardless of what position he has for this franchise.



Yeah, I definitely empathize with Sam's plight. He's dealing with a lot of guys who have crappy fundamentals and instincts, so he's having to start at ground zero.

That being said, I don't know how he can explain going 8-8 to start the year and 4-20 (or something like that) since then. He's doing something wrong. Zach LaVine can't be blamed for all of it!
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