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Re: Starting SG
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:33 pm
by worldK
monsterpile wrote:It's not a perfect comp but I've always thought Wiggins and Lavine could be sort of a Marbury KG combo. Lavine will take a shot make a play anytime will not back down. Will he learn to defend? Wiggins will score but will he take the big shots? He will defend that seems very likely. This has been said since the idea we could acquire Wiggins was brought up Lavine being an alpha dog on offense. He fits well with Towns also who might be more like KG than Wiggins. Rubio has played with SGs who love to score when he played in Europe. This team has a bunch of young guys who have the potential to fit really well together.
Re: Starting SG
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:40 pm
by worldK
Monster, in wiggins rookie of the year season last season, I have not gotten any impression that he will shy away from big shots or moment. He went toe to toe with the best player of the opposing team and didnt shy or cave in. In a lot of games, his play kept us in the game late. I don't get why he is being label as such. Wiggins will take and make big shots in his career, I can guarantee that.
Re: Starting SG
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:23 pm
by Monster
worldK wrote:Monster, in wiggins rookie of the year season last season, I have not gotten any impression that he will shy away from big shots or moment. He went toe to toe with the best player of the opposing team and didnt shy or cave in. In a lot of games, his play kept us in the game late. I don't get why he is being label as such. Wiggins will take and make big shots in his career, I can guarantee that.
Sure he will and so did KG but will he take per games offensively considerably game to game? Maybe that's a better way of what I was trying to say. Personally I am not that worried about it but I do think he will be too willing to defer to others and will get ripped for it and often unfairly to an extent. The best player in the league right now Lebron has some of that issue too but he is an amazing passer. Will Wiggins have the talent around him that makes his nature of deferring ok and win a championship? (You need a slew of talent to win a championship) Idk Lavine is a guy that COULD and we hope is part of that equation. Keep in mind I am higher on Wiggins than just about anyone here seriously.
Re: Starting SG
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:25 pm
by longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]
Camden wrote:Yeah, like Cool, I've been keeping up with the news coming out of camp pretty closely, and everything has been ridiculously positive about LaVine. Earlier in camp, apparently LaVine just could not miss from three. Wiggins noted after the practice that he might have scored 40 points. Rubio's also been quoted saying that LaVine's been the best player in camp. That's been supported by plenty of Minnesota media pundits too, and one of the other vets now that I think of it. The hype is crazy right now.
It sure sounds like LaVine's been doing all the right things to earn the job, and unlike Wiggins, I'm certain that he has the killer instinct needed to maximize his ability. I'm also very happy with his off-season results. Gained 11 pounds of muscle, and it's pretty noticeable. I think we'll still need to be patient with him, and I need to see all this hype turn to production on the court this pre-season, but this is terrific news if he can rip away a starting job from Kevin Martin, who is no scrub by any means of the word. That's not an easy position battle, guys. Martin's a good starter in this league.
I still don't understand the need to trade Martin, though. We're thin at shooting guard, we desperately need three-point shooters, he's cheap, he's already in a Wolves uniform, and he already has chemistry with the current team as constructed. Trading him makes zero sense right now. If LaVine is the real deal, we're looking at some serious offensive firepower off the bench with Martin and Muhammad. That's a two-man bench combo that not many in the league can match.
Cam nails it with this take...if LaVine truly shows enough to take away the starting job from Martin, that is terrific news. It means we have a potential 2-way SG who is better then Kevin Martin, who I see as at least an average SG. And even better, we have a scoring machine like Martin coming off the bench and not having to guard starting caliber 2's. Let's hope Zach is for real.
I also appreciate Q's take that a backup trio of Miller, Martin and Bazz will be defensively weak. But this is where coaching comes in. Mitchell has to work his rotations to create the most favorable matchups to hide the defensive deficiencies of those three (although I haven't given up on Muhammad becoming at least an average defender). Basketball isn't like hockey with substitutions being made in platoons. Sam can stagger his substitutions to make sure there is always enough defense on the court at all times.
Re: Starting SG
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:59 am
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
Per RW, Kevin Martin implied that he will accept his role off the bench behind Zach LaVine.
"At the end of the day, I'm a low-maintenance kind of guy, so they know what they're getting in me," Martin said. "I came off the bench for a 60-win team and I started 10 years in this league, so whatever it is they know they're going to get a pretty damn good basketball player. That's where it is right now."
Re: Starting SG
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:53 am
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
TeamRicky wrote:Per RW, Kevin Martin implied that he will accept his role off the bench behind Zach LaVine.
"At the end of the day, I'm a low-maintenance kind of guy, so they know what they're getting in me," Martin said. "I came off the bench for a 60-win team and I started 10 years in this league, so whatever it is they know they're going to get a pretty damn good basketball player. That's where it is right now."
Pretty much what I thought he'd say. Glad he's accepting his role and continuing to buy-in with what this team's doing. He's been that type of guy since he entered the league, and certainly since he signed with the Wolves.
I also like that he still knows he's a damn good player. That confidence isn't shaken. He knows he can absolutely do damage off the bench. In OKC, he had one of his most efficient seasons of his career, if not the most efficient.
Re: Starting SG
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:30 pm
by Coolbreeze44
As long as he's not out there at crunch time. That spine is made of jelly. He can be fine hunting shots while the lights aren't quite as bright.
Re: Starting SG
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:41 pm
by Volans19
Really really good article from Zach Lowe on our starting SG situation.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-transition-game-in-minnesota-lavine-gets-the-nod-while-martin-takes-a-seat/?ex_cid=story-twitter
Re: Starting SG
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:43 pm
by alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]
CoolBreeze44 wrote:As long as he's not out there at crunch time. That spine is made of jelly. He can be fine hunting shots while the lights aren't quite as bright.
two years ago yea, last year in games that were close down the stretch, I thought he had a bunch of clutch plays, on offense and defense
Re: Starting SG
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:58 pm
by Monster
Volans19 wrote:Really really good article from Zach Lowe on our starting SG situation.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-transition-game-in-minnesota-lavine-gets-the-nod-while-martin-takes-a-seat/?ex_cid=story-twitter
If the Wolves can't get a late 1st rounder for Martin why trade him? The analysis of the 2 players is pretty good in this article but Martin is a starting level SG he isn't going anywhere for those scrap deals he brought up. The Wolves got more for Mo Williams last year.