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How did KAT manage to score with Vando on the court? Vando can only dunk too and KAT was already being guarded by 4's last year. Nothing changed offensively by switching to Rudy from Vando. The only thing that changed some was defensively.mjs34 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:42 pm I am going to start by saying Rudy is not responsible for the worst trade in the history of pro sports.
From what I observed in the Denver series and games here and there throughout the season Rudy is vastly overrated by most on this board. The wolves from last year to this year were worse in off and def ratings, were consistently out rebounded, and performed worse in the PO's imo. Rudy's defense and offense mainly consist of sitting in the defensive box waiting to wave as opponents make one layup after another. We can talk about Rudy's on/off def #'s, but just maybe that has more to do with who he is on the court with or without in the case of Nowell, Mclovin, Garza, etc.
Rudy is hamstringing KAT in every facet of his offensive game. When playing C KAT was quicker and would easily take his man off the dribble which also forced the opponent to allow KAT space on the perimeter. WIth only one big on the floor KAT was able to dominate with his low post game as well. All of that is changed not because we have another C on the floor, but because that C can't score outside of two feet, and then only when we draw his defender away. Forget about his efficiency, because that goes out the window if we take into account the turnovers due to his bad hands. Interesting fact I found out while watching a box score during the game is the turnovers go against the guys like Conley, Ant, ANdersen, etc. even though the passes hit Rudy in the hands.
Do we think KAT has suddenly lost his offensive skill-set? this guy won the skills competition and the 3pt contest at the all-star games. KAT has flaws to his game, but there is a reason several believe we should trade him because he will bring back more in trade compared to Rudy (unless we find a GM equally as stupid as Connelly).
We need to dump Rudy before he starts missing half the season with his bad back.
It was not the worst trade in sports history and may not even be the worst trade in Wolves history. My goodness, it's as if the team totally imploded or something. Bad trade? Yes. Worst in sports history? Not even close.mjs34 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:42 pm I am going to start by saying Rudy is not responsible for the worst trade in the history of pro sports.
From what I observed in the Denver series and games here and there throughout the season Rudy is vastly overrated by most on this board. The wolves from last year to this year were worse in off and def ratings, were consistently out rebounded, and performed worse in the PO's imo. Rudy's defense and offense mainly consist of sitting in the defensive box waiting to wave as opponents make one layup after another. We can talk about Rudy's on/off def #'s, but just maybe that has more to do with who he is on the court with or without in the case of Nowell, Mclovin, Garza, etc.
Rudy is hamstringing KAT in every facet of his offensive game. When playing C KAT was quicker and would easily take his man off the dribble which also forced the opponent to allow KAT space on the perimeter. WIth only one big on the floor KAT was able to dominate with his low post game as well. All of that is changed not because we have another C on the floor, but because that C can't score outside of two feet, and then only when we draw his defender away. Forget about his efficiency, because that goes out the window if we take into account the turnovers due to his bad hands. Interesting fact I found out while watching a box score during the game is the turnovers go against the guys like Conley, Ant, ANdersen, etc. even though the passes hit Rudy in the hands.
Do we think KAT has suddenly lost his offensive skill-set? this guy won the skills competition and the 3pt contest at the all-star games. KAT has flaws to his game, but there is a reason several believe we should trade him because he will bring back more in trade compared to Rudy (unless we find a GM equally as stupid as Connelly).
We need to dump Rudy before he starts missing half the season with his bad back.
Timberwolves has a defensive rating 111.1 when Rudy was on the floor. That would be the 2nd best defensive rating in the NBA only behind the Cavs at 111.0.mjs34 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:42 pm I am going to start by saying Rudy is not responsible for the worst trade in the history of pro sports.
From what I observed in the Denver series and games here and there throughout the season Rudy is vastly overrated by most on this board. The wolves from last year to this year were worse in off and def ratings, were consistently out rebounded, and performed worse in the PO's imo. Rudy's defense and offense mainly consist of sitting in the defensive box waiting to wave as opponents make one layup after another. We can talk about Rudy's on/off def #'s, but just maybe that has more to do with who he is on the court with or without in the case of Nowell, Mclovin, Garza, etc.
Rudy is hamstringing KAT in every facet of his offensive game. When playing C KAT was quicker and would easily take his man off the dribble which also forced the opponent to allow KAT space on the perimeter. WIth only one big on the floor KAT was able to dominate with his low post game as well. All of that is changed not because we have another C on the floor, but because that C can't score outside of two feet, and then only when we draw his defender away. Forget about his efficiency, because that goes out the window if we take into account the turnovers due to his bad hands. Interesting fact I found out while watching a box score during the game is the turnovers go against the guys like Conley, Ant, ANdersen, etc. even though the passes hit Rudy in the hands.
Do we think KAT has suddenly lost his offensive skill-set? this guy won the skills competition and the 3pt contest at the all-star games. KAT has flaws to his game, but there is a reason several believe we should trade him because he will bring back more in trade compared to Rudy (unless we find a GM equally as stupid as Connelly).
We need to dump Rudy before he starts missing half the season with his bad back.
Not really sure how to respond to this if you believe there is any similarity between Rudy and Vandy. Vandy never stops moving and is very rarely guarded by the opponents center.Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:35 pmHow did KAT manage to score with Vando on the court? Vando can only dunk too and KAT was already being guarded by 4's last year. Nothing changed offensively by switching to Rudy from Vando. The only thing that changed some was defensively.mjs34 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:42 pm I am going to start by saying Rudy is not responsible for the worst trade in the history of pro sports.
From what I observed in the Denver series and games here and there throughout the season Rudy is vastly overrated by most on this board. The wolves from last year to this year were worse in off and def ratings, were consistently out rebounded, and performed worse in the PO's imo. Rudy's defense and offense mainly consist of sitting in the defensive box waiting to wave as opponents make one layup after another. We can talk about Rudy's on/off def #'s, but just maybe that has more to do with who he is on the court with or without in the case of Nowell, Mclovin, Garza, etc.
Rudy is hamstringing KAT in every facet of his offensive game. When playing C KAT was quicker and would easily take his man off the dribble which also forced the opponent to allow KAT space on the perimeter. WIth only one big on the floor KAT was able to dominate with his low post game as well. All of that is changed not because we have another C on the floor, but because that C can't score outside of two feet, and then only when we draw his defender away. Forget about his efficiency, because that goes out the window if we take into account the turnovers due to his bad hands. Interesting fact I found out while watching a box score during the game is the turnovers go against the guys like Conley, Ant, ANdersen, etc. even though the passes hit Rudy in the hands.
Do we think KAT has suddenly lost his offensive skill-set? this guy won the skills competition and the 3pt contest at the all-star games. KAT has flaws to his game, but there is a reason several believe we should trade him because he will bring back more in trade compared to Rudy (unless we find a GM equally as stupid as Connelly).
We need to dump Rudy before he starts missing half the season with his bad back.
Q, please feel free to offer up worse deals. Rudy is on the wrong side of 30, is likely overpaid by a factor of 2 or 3, and this deal isn't only affecting us now. Kessler will most likley be playing for many years, while the other draft picks and swaps will affect our future for the next five to seven years. Team culture, chemistry and fit are also important factors.Q-is-here wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:16 pmIt was not the worst trade in sports history and may not even be the worst trade in Wolves history. My goodness, it's as if the team totally imploded or something. Bad trade? Yes. Worst in sports history? Not even close.mjs34 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:42 pm I am going to start by saying Rudy is not responsible for the worst trade in the history of pro sports.
From what I observed in the Denver series and games here and there throughout the season Rudy is vastly overrated by most on this board. The wolves from last year to this year were worse in off and def ratings, were consistently out rebounded, and performed worse in the PO's imo. Rudy's defense and offense mainly consist of sitting in the defensive box waiting to wave as opponents make one layup after another. We can talk about Rudy's on/off def #'s, but just maybe that has more to do with who he is on the court with or without in the case of Nowell, Mclovin, Garza, etc.
Rudy is hamstringing KAT in every facet of his offensive game. When playing C KAT was quicker and would easily take his man off the dribble which also forced the opponent to allow KAT space on the perimeter. WIth only one big on the floor KAT was able to dominate with his low post game as well. All of that is changed not because we have another C on the floor, but because that C can't score outside of two feet, and then only when we draw his defender away. Forget about his efficiency, because that goes out the window if we take into account the turnovers due to his bad hands. Interesting fact I found out while watching a box score during the game is the turnovers go against the guys like Conley, Ant, ANdersen, etc. even though the passes hit Rudy in the hands.
Do we think KAT has suddenly lost his offensive skill-set? this guy won the skills competition and the 3pt contest at the all-star games. KAT has flaws to his game, but there is a reason several believe we should trade him because he will bring back more in trade compared to Rudy (unless we find a GM equally as stupid as Connelly).
We need to dump Rudy before he starts missing half the season with his bad back.
Kek, you are not comparing apples to apples on the defensive rating. You are taking Rudy's numbers without considering who he is playing along side, while taking other teams overall ratings rather than their better defensive lineups. Take a look at 82games.com for Rudy and look at how few minutes he played with guys like Nowell, Rivers, etc. and pay attention to his ratings with those players as compared to minutes with McDaniels and Edwards.kekgeek wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:09 pmTimberwolves has a defensive rating 111.1 when Rudy was on the floor. That would be the 2nd best defensive rating in the NBA only behind the Cavs at 111.0.mjs34 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:42 pm I am going to start by saying Rudy is not responsible for the worst trade in the history of pro sports.
From what I observed in the Denver series and games here and there throughout the season Rudy is vastly overrated by most on this board. The wolves from last year to this year were worse in off and def ratings, were consistently out rebounded, and performed worse in the PO's imo. Rudy's defense and offense mainly consist of sitting in the defensive box waiting to wave as opponents make one layup after another. We can talk about Rudy's on/off def #'s, but just maybe that has more to do with who he is on the court with or without in the case of Nowell, Mclovin, Garza, etc.
Rudy is hamstringing KAT in every facet of his offensive game. When playing C KAT was quicker and would easily take his man off the dribble which also forced the opponent to allow KAT space on the perimeter. WIth only one big on the floor KAT was able to dominate with his low post game as well. All of that is changed not because we have another C on the floor, but because that C can't score outside of two feet, and then only when we draw his defender away. Forget about his efficiency, because that goes out the window if we take into account the turnovers due to his bad hands. Interesting fact I found out while watching a box score during the game is the turnovers go against the guys like Conley, Ant, ANdersen, etc. even though the passes hit Rudy in the hands.
Do we think KAT has suddenly lost his offensive skill-set? this guy won the skills competition and the 3pt contest at the all-star games. KAT has flaws to his game, but there is a reason several believe we should trade him because he will bring back more in trade compared to Rudy (unless we find a GM equally as stupid as Connelly).
We need to dump Rudy before he starts missing half the season with his bad back.
Teams didn’t make layup after layup against the wolves with Rudy out there
Teams were already putting the 4 on KAT with Vando on the floor. You just didn't pay attention obviously. Rudy is a better version of Vando. Sure Vando maybe moved more? OK. He still was zero chance to shoot a three, if anything the paint was clogged more with the Center hanging down low guarding Vando, which is what actually happened if you watched the games. Rudy screens and finishes better than Vando and obviously plays better defense and rebounding too.mjs34 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:44 amNot really sure how to respond to this if you believe there is any similarity between Rudy and Vandy. Vandy never stops moving and is very rarely guarded by the opponents center.Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:35 pmHow did KAT manage to score with Vando on the court? Vando can only dunk too and KAT was already being guarded by 4's last year. Nothing changed offensively by switching to Rudy from Vando. The only thing that changed some was defensively.mjs34 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:42 pm I am going to start by saying Rudy is not responsible for the worst trade in the history of pro sports.
From what I observed in the Denver series and games here and there throughout the season Rudy is vastly overrated by most on this board. The wolves from last year to this year were worse in off and def ratings, were consistently out rebounded, and performed worse in the PO's imo. Rudy's defense and offense mainly consist of sitting in the defensive box waiting to wave as opponents make one layup after another. We can talk about Rudy's on/off def #'s, but just maybe that has more to do with who he is on the court with or without in the case of Nowell, Mclovin, Garza, etc.
Rudy is hamstringing KAT in every facet of his offensive game. When playing C KAT was quicker and would easily take his man off the dribble which also forced the opponent to allow KAT space on the perimeter. WIth only one big on the floor KAT was able to dominate with his low post game as well. All of that is changed not because we have another C on the floor, but because that C can't score outside of two feet, and then only when we draw his defender away. Forget about his efficiency, because that goes out the window if we take into account the turnovers due to his bad hands. Interesting fact I found out while watching a box score during the game is the turnovers go against the guys like Conley, Ant, ANdersen, etc. even though the passes hit Rudy in the hands.
Do we think KAT has suddenly lost his offensive skill-set? this guy won the skills competition and the 3pt contest at the all-star games. KAT has flaws to his game, but there is a reason several believe we should trade him because he will bring back more in trade compared to Rudy (unless we find a GM equally as stupid as Connelly).
We need to dump Rudy before he starts missing half the season with his bad back.
Rudy played 487 possessions without Ant and Mcdaniels on the floor (the 2 players you mentioned), the wolves had a defensive rating of 109.5 in those possession what is the 93rd percentile of the nba. So yes the wolves were still elite on defense when Rudy played without other good defenders like you mentioned.mjs34 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:53 amKek, you are not comparing apples to apples on the defensive rating. You are taking Rudy's numbers without considering who he is playing along side, while taking other teams overall ratings rather than their better defensive lineups. Take a look at 82games.com for Rudy and look at how few minutes he played with guys like Nowell, Rivers, etc. and pay attention to his ratings with those players as compared to minutes with McDaniels and Edwards.kekgeek wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:09 pmTimberwolves has a defensive rating 111.1 when Rudy was on the floor. That would be the 2nd best defensive rating in the NBA only behind the Cavs at 111.0.mjs34 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:42 pm I am going to start by saying Rudy is not responsible for the worst trade in the history of pro sports.
From what I observed in the Denver series and games here and there throughout the season Rudy is vastly overrated by most on this board. The wolves from last year to this year were worse in off and def ratings, were consistently out rebounded, and performed worse in the PO's imo. Rudy's defense and offense mainly consist of sitting in the defensive box waiting to wave as opponents make one layup after another. We can talk about Rudy's on/off def #'s, but just maybe that has more to do with who he is on the court with or without in the case of Nowell, Mclovin, Garza, etc.
Rudy is hamstringing KAT in every facet of his offensive game. When playing C KAT was quicker and would easily take his man off the dribble which also forced the opponent to allow KAT space on the perimeter. WIth only one big on the floor KAT was able to dominate with his low post game as well. All of that is changed not because we have another C on the floor, but because that C can't score outside of two feet, and then only when we draw his defender away. Forget about his efficiency, because that goes out the window if we take into account the turnovers due to his bad hands. Interesting fact I found out while watching a box score during the game is the turnovers go against the guys like Conley, Ant, ANdersen, etc. even though the passes hit Rudy in the hands.
Do we think KAT has suddenly lost his offensive skill-set? this guy won the skills competition and the 3pt contest at the all-star games. KAT has flaws to his game, but there is a reason several believe we should trade him because he will bring back more in trade compared to Rudy (unless we find a GM equally as stupid as Connelly).
We need to dump Rudy before he starts missing half the season with his bad back.
Teams didn’t make layup after layup against the wolves with Rudy out there