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Re: Wolves SL GDT 1

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:10 am
by kekgeek
Lipoli390 wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:37 am It’s easy to overlook the fact that Brandon Williams played 21 games in the NBA two seasons ago. His overall stats weren’t impressive, but the following highlight video shows that he’s an NBA player. I think spending the next season entirely in the G-League was great for his development. His shot looks better and his G-League stats reflect his improved shooting. I really think the Wolves should give hime their 3rd 2-way contract.

https://youtu.be/s79UZ_B7eqs
Are you taking him over Matt Ryan because Garza and Clark have signed and Matt Ryan still has his 2-way QO out there so currently the wolves don’t have a 2 way available (it’s easy to cut a 2-way guy)

It’s a good discussion because I think Williams has higher upside but what is that upside a possible back up nba PG? Then Ryan does not have big upside but he has a super valuable skill in 3 PT shooting and the thing with Ryan if wing injuries do happen Ryan or the wolves never needs to adjust their games. Ryan will just sit in corners and shoot 3s while with Brandon Williams and the wolves would need to adjust their games because Williams is more of a ball dominate bucket getter and the wolves won’t want that out of him so his game would not look the same this year on the wolves NBA roster.

Think there is no wrong answer personally

Re: Wolves SL GDT 1

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:10 am
by Q-is-here
Lipoli390 wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:37 am It’s easy to overlook the fact that Brandon Williams played 21 games in the NBA two seasons ago. His overall stats weren’t impressive, but the following highlight video shows that he’s an NBA player. I think spending the next season entirely in the G-League was great for his development. His shot looks better and his G-League stats reflect his improved shooting. I really think the Wolves should give hime their 3rd 2-way contract.

https://youtu.be/s79UZ_B7eqs
I need to see more than one good game from him in summer league before committing that spot to him, but he is definitely someone to keep an eye on.

Sometimes guys like Williams are great in the G-League and summer league settings, but then that one half-step more of defensive quickness and inch or two of size in the NBA is enough to throw a guy like him off. So while he still had some great moves and was able to score some points in his NBA stint, he was horribly inefficient.

Re: Wolves SL GDT 1

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:18 am
by Q-is-here
kekgeek wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:10 am
Lipoli390 wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:37 am It’s easy to overlook the fact that Brandon Williams played 21 games in the NBA two seasons ago. His overall stats weren’t impressive, but the following highlight video shows that he’s an NBA player. I think spending the next season entirely in the G-League was great for his development. His shot looks better and his G-League stats reflect his improved shooting. I really think the Wolves should give hime their 3rd 2-way contract.

https://youtu.be/s79UZ_B7eqs
Are you taking him over Matt Ryan because Garza and Clark have signed and Matt Ryan still has his 2-way QO out there so currently the wolves don’t have a 2 way available (it’s easy to cut a 2-way guy)

It’s a good discussion because I think Williams has higher upside but what is that upside a possible back up nba PG? Then Ryan does not have big upside but he has a super valuable skill in 3 PT shooting and the thing with Ryan if wing injuries do happen Ryan or the wolves never needs to adjust their games. Ryan will just sit in corners and shoot 3s while it Brandon Williams and the wolves would need to adjust their games because Williams is more of a ball dominate bucket getter and the wolves won’t want that out of him so his game would not look the same this year on the wolves NBA roster.

Think there is no wrong answer personally
Believe it or not, Williams' skill-set is somewhat lacking on our roster once you get past the starters and now that Nowell is gone. He's a guy that can take his man one on one and either get a bucket or collapse the defense to get someone else an open shot. I know Nowell fell flat last year, but he has a similar skill-set. He just ended up pressing too much and never recovered from it.

Re: Wolves SL GDT 1

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:22 am
by Q-is-here
Sundog wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:25 am Not to be too contrarian, but I think you guys are being too hard on Wendell. He started out pretty rocky — had a hard time adjusting to having Dyson Daniels draped all over him. Daniels, let’s face it, is a fucking stud and is going to be an all star at some point. But then Moore settled down and was instrumental to the win in the second half. Good defense, led both teams in assists, went 3-4 shooting in the 4th, including two 3pt’ers.
Fair enough - we did win the minutes that he played. The problem is he doesn't get a lot of benefit of the doubt at this point. The guy had 3 years at Duke, was picked in the first round, and is now entering his second year. He is one of the older drafted players in the summer league, so a lot should be expected of him against this level of competition. The clock is kind of ticking for him.

Re: Wolves SL GDT 1

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:27 am
by kekgeek
Q-is-here wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:18 am
kekgeek wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:10 am
Lipoli390 wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:37 am It’s easy to overlook the fact that Brandon Williams played 21 games in the NBA two seasons ago. His overall stats weren’t impressive, but the following highlight video shows that he’s an NBA player. I think spending the next season entirely in the G-League was great for his development. His shot looks better and his G-League stats reflect his improved shooting. I really think the Wolves should give hime their 3rd 2-way contract.

https://youtu.be/s79UZ_B7eqs
Are you taking him over Matt Ryan because Garza and Clark have signed and Matt Ryan still has his 2-way QO out there so currently the wolves don’t have a 2 way available (it’s easy to cut a 2-way guy)

It’s a good discussion because I think Williams has higher upside but what is that upside a possible back up nba PG? Then Ryan does not have big upside but he has a super valuable skill in 3 PT shooting and the thing with Ryan if wing injuries do happen Ryan or the wolves never needs to adjust their games. Ryan will just sit in corners and shoot 3s while it Brandon Williams and the wolves would need to adjust their games because Williams is more of a ball dominate bucket getter and the wolves won’t want that out of him so his game would not look the same this year on the wolves NBA roster.

Think there is no wrong answer personally
Believe it or not, Williams' skill-set is somewhat lacking on our roster once you get past the starters and now that Nowell is gone. He's a guy that can take his man one on one and either get a bucket or collapse the defense to get someone else an open shot. I know Nowell fell flat last year, but he has a similar skill-set. He just ended up pressing too much and never recovered from it.
So I don’t disagree with you that Wolves are missing natural bucket getters on their roster. What I’m saying is if we are 20 games into the season and Conley needs to miss 5 games. They would call up Williams and the wolves won’t want Williams to be dominate and try and get buckets when you have Ant, Kat, Shake, Naz, slow Mo, etc. would the Williams need to adjust his game so much that it eliminates what Williams is good at

Re: Wolves SL GDT 1

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:50 am
by Lipoli390
kekgeek wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:27 am
Q-is-here wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:18 am
kekgeek wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:10 am

Are you taking him over Matt Ryan because Garza and Clark have signed and Matt Ryan still has his 2-way QO out there so currently the wolves don’t have a 2 way available (it’s easy to cut a 2-way guy)

It’s a good discussion because I think Williams has higher upside but what is that upside a possible back up nba PG? Then Ryan does not have big upside but he has a super valuable skill in 3 PT shooting and the thing with Ryan if wing injuries do happen Ryan or the wolves never needs to adjust their games. Ryan will just sit in corners and shoot 3s while it Brandon Williams and the wolves would need to adjust their games because Williams is more of a ball dominate bucket getter and the wolves won’t want that out of him so his game would not look the same this year on the wolves NBA roster.

Think there is no wrong answer personally
Believe it or not, Williams' skill-set is somewhat lacking on our roster once you get past the starters and now that Nowell is gone. He's a guy that can take his man one on one and either get a bucket or collapse the defense to get someone else an open shot. I know Nowell fell flat last year, but he has a similar skill-set. He just ended up pressing too much and never recovered from it.
So I don’t disagree with you that Wolves are missing natural bucket getters on their roster. What I’m saying is if we are 20 games into the season and Conley needs to miss 5 games. They would call up Williams and the wolves won’t want Williams to be dominate and try and get buckets when you have Ant, Kat, Shake, Naz, slow Mo, etc. would the Williams need to adjust his game so much that it eliminates what Williams is good at
Brandon Williams has NBA starter upside. He’s much quicker and a much better ball-handler than Nowell and he’s a true PG. As Q noted, Williams provides something this roster is lacking - i.e., a PG who can handle the ball, break down defenses and run the offense. He does all of that. We have guys like Shake and Troy Brown who can hit threes. We don’t have anyone who can do what Conley does if Conley goes down unless you completely trust JMac.

Would Brandon have to adjust his game? Yes to some extent. But his dribble penetration ability works with and is essential to any successful NBA team with talent. Brandon’s dribble penetration is tremendous. Playing with the NBA Wolves, Brandon would be dishing more than scoring on penetration. That’s fine because Brandon is a good passer. I like Matt Ryan, but is he really going to get enough playing time to make a material difference next season? I don’t think so. And I don’t see him as a player with upside to develop for the future. Brandon may or may not make more of a contribution than Ryan next season, but Brandon is more of an upside player at a position of need. He’s someone who can potentially become Conley’s successor. That’s gives him the edge over Matt Ryan in my view.

Re: Wolves SL GDT 1

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:13 pm
by Monster
Anyone that wants to watch this summer league game could try basketball-video .com I heard there was summer league games on there.

Has anyone used their NBA league pass to watch summer league games this year?

Re: Wolves SL GDT 1

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:44 pm
by Coolbreeze44
Monster wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:32 am Ok read through the thread.

Q DJ Carton didn’t wow like I think both of us may have thought but he also looked solid. I thought he did some god things as a defender. Williams clearly has a leg up on him for a roster spot though after this game.

Also another thing about Williams I thought it was interesting that he was clearly the primary PG when he was out there. He should be based on what we saw but it’s also clear they want More to be able to play some PG still. If I was the Wolbes and I thought Williams might make my roster I would want to see if he can actually play PG. game 1 looks good in that regard. I’ll say that one thing the Wolves could use on their roster is a guard that can give the wolves some juice in scoring further down the roster. Maybe Williams could be that type of guy.

The broadcast crew was driving me nuts with the “Miller was the Wolves only draft pick” Jaylen Clark was literally sitting on the bench. Yes he is not playing but they did draft him. Otherwise I thought it was great to listen to those guys it seems like they actually know the players. Steve Smith is usually pretty good and like a I say usually actually knows a lot of these players. He is basically a basketball junkie.

Lip I’m not sure Minott has the physicality to guard any permititer position in the NBA. Part of why he can’t stay square is he just doesn’t quite have that ability to move his feet quick enough. There is some awkwardness there too. This doesn’t mean he can’t play SF and switch onto guys sometimes but he isn’t a McDaniels type defender. McDaniels moves like a guard.

That awkwardness is one of the things that tempers my enthusiasm for Minott. He can get there, but he has a long ways to go.

Re: Wolves SL GDT 1

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:45 pm
by Lipoli390
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:44 pm
Monster wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:32 am Ok read through the thread.

Q DJ Carton didn’t wow like I think both of us may have thought but he also looked solid. I thought he did some god things as a defender. Williams clearly has a leg up on him for a roster spot though after this game.

Also another thing about Williams I thought it was interesting that he was clearly the primary PG when he was out there. He should be based on what we saw but it’s also clear they want More to be able to play some PG still. If I was the Wolbes and I thought Williams might make my roster I would want to see if he can actually play PG. game 1 looks good in that regard. I’ll say that one thing the Wolves could use on their roster is a guard that can give the wolves some juice in scoring further down the roster. Maybe Williams could be that type of guy.

The broadcast crew was driving me nuts with the “Miller was the Wolves only draft pick” Jaylen Clark was literally sitting on the bench. Yes he is not playing but they did draft him. Otherwise I thought it was great to listen to those guys it seems like they actually know the players. Steve Smith is usually pretty good and like a I say usually actually knows a lot of these players. He is basically a basketball junkie.

Lip I’m not sure Minott has the physicality to guard any permititer position in the NBA. Part of why he can’t stay square is he just doesn’t quite have that ability to move his feet quick enough. There is some awkwardness there too. This doesn’t mean he can’t play SF and switch onto guys sometimes but he isn’t a McDaniels type defender. McDaniels moves like a guard.

That awkwardness is one of the things that tempers my enthusiasm for Minott. He can get there, but he has a long ways to go.
I definitely see the awkwardness. He has the quickness, but he needs to hone his instincts. He definitely has a ways to go. Although a year younger, Miller looked closer than Minott to being NBA ready. Not saying he’s currently NBA ready. But in contrast to Minott, Miller has terrific body control and just seems to have a better command of his skill set. I’d say Miller’s a year away. Minott is probably a couple years away.

Re: Wolves SL GDT 1

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:49 pm
by KG4Ever
Monster wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:13 pm Anyone that wants to watch this summer league game could try basketball-video .com I heard there was summer league games on there.

Has anyone used their NBA league pass to watch summer league games this year?
I have League Pass and I appeared to have access to the game, but my browser got a bit glitchy where screen froze up, so I gave up and had more luck with watching it on ESPN3, which should be available if you have a cable subscription that includes ESPN. There is also replay option and I was able to watch the beginning of the game which I had missed.