Key Individual Stats Tracker - '24-25 Season

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50-game update below:

Player - PER/WS48/VORP/Net Rating
Ant - 18.8/.117/2.4/+4.2
Rudy - 16.6/.183/1.3/+3.2
Jaden - 12.2/.107/0.7/+1.5
Randle - 17.2/.128/1.1/+2.9
Naz - 16.9/.146/1.4/+3.9
NAW - 10.8/.084/0.2//+6.6
Conley - 12.8/.126/0.7/+3.3
DDV - 12.7/.090/0.7/+1.3
Dillingham - 12.7/.047/-.1/-.2

PER - Very much individual box-score driven and rewards volume more than efficiency. Doesn't really account for defense. This tends to reward higher usage offensive players and guys that get lots of counting stats.
WS/48 - Combines individual box-score stats with team performance; tends to reward efficiency as much as volume; tries to apportion team performance to individual players, so a great team defense for example tends to lift all boats (or weight them down if the defense is poor).
VORP - Value over Replacement Player. This extrapolates from box score stats and takes into account actual minutes played, so it helps recognize that starters have to carry a bigger load.
Net Rating - Team points per 100 possessions minus opponent points per 100 possessions while player is on the floor, per NBA.com.
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Notes:

- All the regular rotation players have a positive net rating except Dillingham, and his is barely negative. This team continues to underachieve when you look at the sum of the piece parts and the expected win total. We have the 8th best net rating in the NBA, but the 12th best win-loss record.

- McDaniels has definitely been trending up, which isn't surprising since the eye test and nightly box scores reflect this as well. He's now at career highs in PER, Win Shares per 48 minutes, and Value over a replacement player. This is the Jaden we are paying for!

- Naz has also stepped up his play and is at a career high in win shares per 48 minutes and on track for a career high in VORP.

- NAW has been struggling to generate efficient offense since the beginning of January. He's shooting 35% from the field and 32% from the 3 over the past 15 games. I'd say his ability to convert 2-point shots might be more troubling that his 3-point shot struggles.

- Dillingham makes his debut on here. His advanced stats would be much better if the turnovers weren't so high (averaging 4.4 per 36 minutes and an assist to turnover ratio of less than 2). Still, this is pretty solid for a 20-year old rookie that is still getting his feet wet (only 285 minutes played). I think he's someone where the eye test tells you a lot more about his upside potential than his current advanced stats.

- Minott made his debut at the 40-game mark and has now been dropped at the 50-game mark.

- Clark isn't on here yet - would like to see a larger sample size, as he currently sports an astronomical net rating.

[Lipoli390]

Notes:

- All the regular rotation players have a positive net rating except Dillingham, and his is barely negative. This team continues to underachieve when you look at the sum of the piece parts and the expected win total. We have the 8th best net rating in the NBA, but the 12th best win-loss record.

- McDaniels has definitely been trending up, which isn't surprising since the eye test and nightly box scores reflect this as well. He's now at career highs in PER, Win Shares per 48 minutes, and Value over a replacement player. This is the Jaden we are paying for!

- Naz has also stepped up his play and is at a career high in win shares per 48 minutes and on track for a career high in VORP.

- NAW has been struggling to generate efficient offense since the beginning of January. He's shooting 35% from the field and 32% from the 3 over the past 15 games. I'd say his ability to convert 2-point shots might be more troubling that his 3-point shot struggles.

- Dillingham makes his debut on here. His advanced stats would be much better if the turnovers weren't so high (averaging 4.4 per 36 minutes and an assist to turnover ratio of less than 2). Still, this is pretty solid for a 20-year old rookie that is still getting his feet wet (only 285 minutes played). I think he's someone where the eye test tells you a lot more about his upside potential than his current advanced stats.

- Minott made his debut at the 40-game mark and has now been dropped at the 50-game mark.

- Clark isn't on here yet - would like to see a larger sample size, as he currently sports an astronomical net rating.

Great info, Q. Thanks for posting. I’ve gotten to a point where I’d real like like to see the Wolves move NAW for a future pick or two before tomorrow’s trade deadline. I have to believe there are a lot of teams who would love to have him for the stretch run this season at a bargain price and with the flexibility he’d bring as an expiring contract. He was a first round pick and these past two seasons he’s played his way back to the level at which he was drafted. I’d certain we could get a future lottery-protected 1st from a contending team or two unprotected 2nd round picks.

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Notes:

- All the regular rotation players have a positive net rating except Dillingham, and his is barely negative. This team continues to underachieve when you look at the sum of the piece parts and the expected win total. We have the 8th best net rating in the NBA, but the 12th best win-loss record.

- McDaniels has definitely been trending up, which isn't surprising since the eye test and nightly box scores reflect this as well. He's now at career highs in PER, Win Shares per 48 minutes, and Value over a replacement player. This is the Jaden we are paying for!

- Naz has also stepped up his play and is at a career high in win shares per 48 minutes and on track for a career high in VORP.

- NAW has been struggling to generate efficient offense since the beginning of January. He's shooting 35% from the field and 32% from the 3 over the past 15 games. I'd say his ability to convert 2-point shots might be more troubling that his 3-point shot struggles.

- Dillingham makes his debut on here. His advanced stats would be much better if the turnovers weren't so high (averaging 4.4 per 36 minutes and an assist to turnover ratio of less than 2). Still, this is pretty solid for a 20-year old rookie that is still getting his feet wet (only 285 minutes played). I think he's someone where the eye test tells you a lot more about his upside potential than his current advanced stats.

- Minott made his debut at the 40-game mark and has now been dropped at the 50-game mark.

- Clark isn't on here yet - would like to see a larger sample size, as he currently sports an astronomical net rating.

Great info, Q. Thanks for posting. I’ve gotten to a point where I’d real like like to see the Wolves move NAW for a future pick or two before tomorrow’s trade deadline. I have to believe there are a lot of teams who would love to have him for the stretch run this season at a bargain price and with the flexibility he’d bring as an expiring contract. He was a first round pick and these past two seasons he’s played his way back to the level at which he was drafted. I’d certain we could get a future lottery-protected 1st from a contending team or two unprotected 2nd round picks.

Dane Moore was talking about his reluctance to give up NAW, as he sees him as being good enough to be a rotation piece on a Finals team. I think on balance he is, but damn, you better hope he isn't in one of his shooting/scoring droughts as they seem to last for weeks at a time. We saw it last year in the entire playoffs and now we are seeing it again for the last 5 weeks.

It's one thing to slump for a game or two - or even an entire playoff series - but he slumps for 10,15, 20 games at a time! Of course if you catch him when he's hot like the first 30 or so games of this season then that's awesome. But do we really want to take our chances with him longer-term? Not me.

[Monster]

Notes:

- All the regular rotation players have a positive net rating except Dillingham, and his is barely negative. This team continues to underachieve when you look at the sum of the piece parts and the expected win total. We have the 8th best net rating in the NBA, but the 12th best win-loss record.

- McDaniels has definitely been trending up, which isn't surprising since the eye test and nightly box scores reflect this as well. He's now at career highs in PER, Win Shares per 48 minutes, and Value over a replacement player. This is the Jaden we are paying for!

- Naz has also stepped up his play and is at a career high in win shares per 48 minutes and on track for a career high in VORP.

- NAW has been struggling to generate efficient offense since the beginning of January. He's shooting 35% from the field and 32% from the 3 over the past 15 games. I'd say his ability to convert 2-point shots might be more troubling that his 3-point shot struggles.

- Dillingham makes his debut on here. His advanced stats would be much better if the turnovers weren't so high (averaging 4.4 per 36 minutes and an assist to turnover ratio of less than 2). Still, this is pretty solid for a 20-year old rookie that is still getting his feet wet (only 285 minutes played). I think he's someone where the eye test tells you a lot more about his upside potential than his current advanced stats.

- Minott made his debut at the 40-game mark and has now been dropped at the 50-game mark.

- Clark isn't on here yet - would like to see a larger sample size, as he currently sports an astronomical net rating.

Great info, Q. Thanks for posting. I’ve gotten to a point where I’d real like like to see the Wolves move NAW for a future pick or two before tomorrow’s trade deadline. I have to believe there are a lot of teams who would love to have him for the stretch run this season at a bargain price and with the flexibility he’d bring as an expiring contract. He was a first round pick and these past two seasons he’s played his way back to the level at which he was drafted. I’d certain we could get a future lottery-protected 1st from a contending team or two unprotected 2nd round picks.

Dane Moore was talking about his reluctance to give up NAW, as he sees him as being good enough to be a rotation piece on a Finals team. I think on balance he is, but damn, you better hope he isn't in one of his shooting/scoring droughts as they seem to last for weeks at a time. We saw it last year in the entire playoffs and now we are seeing it again for the last 5 weeks.

It's one thing to slump for a game or two - or even an entire playoff series - but he slumps for 10,15, 20 games at a time! Of course if you catch him when he's hot like the first 30 or so games of this season then that's awesome. But do we really want to take our chances with him longer-term? Not me.

I think the issue with dealing NAW for value is that I haven't seen many non star players the past few months bring back more than basically some 2nd rounders. Since it appears that the Wolves can sign and trade him in the off-season I'm not sure a couple of 2nd rounders is gonna he enough to move him when their is a decent chance they could get at least one in a sign and trade this off-season if they don't sign him. I'm on board with moving him for value and have been since last summer even though I'm a big fan of his.

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60-game update below:

Player - PER/WS48/VORP/Net Rating
Ant - 19.2/.118/3.0/+3.1
Jaden - 12.9/.112/1.0/+1.8
Rudy - 16.9/.182/1.5/+3.5
Naz - 17.2/.148/2.0/+4.9
Randle - 17.2/.124/1.2/+2.9
NAW - 11.1/.090/0.4//+5.0
Conley - 13.0/.131/0.9/+3.6
DDV - 12.7/.089/0.8/+2.0
Dillingham - 11.0/.024/-.2/+1.2
Jaylen Clark - 12.0/.143/.1/+1.9
Shannon Jr. - 13.3/.100/.1/+2.0

PER - Very much individual box-score driven and rewards volume more than efficiency. Doesn't really account for defense. This tends to reward higher usage offensive players and guys that get lots of counting stats.
WS/48 - Combines individual box-score stats with team performance; tends to reward efficiency as much as volume; tries to apportion team performance to individual players, so a great team defense for example tends to lift all boats (or weight them down if the defense is poor).
VORP - Value over Replacement Player. This extrapolates from box score stats and takes into account actual minutes played, so it helps recognize that starters have to carry a bigger load.
Net Rating - Team points per 100 possessions minus opponent points per 100 possessions while player is on the floor, per NBA.com.
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Notes on update stat tracker:

- The biggest takeaway is that every single guy getting regular minutes has a positive net rating. That's encouraging given the fact three rookies have had to step in and play important minutes against some really good teams.

- Julius Randle is not an "addition by subtraction" type player when it comes to winning games this year. We can argue that his absence had led to a more pleasing style of play and allowed others to blossom, but it hasn't led to winning more games this season. Ditto for Rudy.

- Jaden is having a career year. A big part of this (but not the only part as Jaden's play started to turn around earlier) is the emergence of Clark, who has allowed Jaden to spend less energy chasing the NBA's most prolific scorers and more energy rebounding and scoring.

- Dillingham has the worst stats above, but he's also the youngest guy in the rotation, with the next youngest being Clark, who is three years older than Rob. It's going to take time for Dillingham.

- While Ant has stepped up his play of late, he still hasn't broken through as a top 10 all-around player (although the playoffs are a different animal, as he's proven).

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Here is a refresh of the Lineup stats from NBA.com, using Net Rating:

Top three 5-man Lineup Combinations by Net Rating (minimum of 50 minutes played together):
Conley/Rudy/DDV/NAW/Reid - +28.4
Conley/Rudy/Reid/Ant/Jaden - +23.4
DDV/NAW/Reid/Ant/Randle - +19.0
Bottom:
Rudy/NAW/Reid/Ant/Jaden - (10.8)
Rudy/Randle/DDV/Ant/Jaden - (4.3)
Conley/Randle/Reid/Ant/Jaden - (1.2)

Top three 4-man Lineup Combinations (min of 250 minutes):
DDV/NAW/Reid/Ant - +14.6
Randle/NAW/Reid/Ant - +12.3
Randle/DDV/NAW/Reid - +10.4
Bottom:
NAW/Reid/Ant/Jaden - (1.4)
Randle/DDV/Ant/Jaden - 0.0
Rudy/DDV/Ant/Jaden - +.4

Top three 3-man Lineup Combinations (minimum of 500 minutes):
DDV/NAW/Reid - +11.1
NAW/Reid/Ant - +6.2
Conley/Rudy/Ant - +5.3
Bottom:
Randle/Ant/Jaden - +1.6
Conley/Ant/Jaden - +2.2
Conley/Randle/Ant- +2.3

Top three 2-man Lineup Combinations (minimum 800 minutes):
NAW/Reid - +7.1
DDV/Reid - +5.2
NAW/Ant - +6.8
Bottom:
Conley/Jaden - +2.3
Rudy/Jaden - +2.4
Conley/Ant - +2.4

[Coolbreeze44]

I thought Jaden was good

[Phenom]

I thought Jaden was good

I wonder where he'd be since Jan 1.