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Why would Simmons be worse than Dieng defensively? I think the defense will be fine with the right coach.

Camden0916 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:After watching both Simmons and Ingram this weekend, I'm not sure there's a blue chip player in this draft. I'm sure someone will turn out to be very good, but it looks like this draft is really going to be a crapshoot. Our scouts really need to do their job this year. And I would definitely consider a trade after we see our position.

Simmons had a 17 pt, 11 reb, 4 ast, 7 stl game this weekend and it's being talked about as a disappointment from most people. It was a little disappointing, but that's because of how talented the guy is. He didn't even play well and was still arguably the best player on the floor.

He's a talent, but there are a lot more questions about him today, then there were at the beginning of the year.

That tends to happen to a lot of phenomenal prospects that get insane amounts of hype from the very beginning. It happened to Wiggins. It happened to Okafor. It's happened to Simmons. It'll happen to some kid next year too.

I agree with this. The top rated players coming in have their game over analyzed. Simmons is a great prospect and would be a good get. I'd be shocked if we landed the first pick again, but it's possible.

If we do get the first pick, then we should pick the best player and let the rest sort itself out. If a great trade offer presents itself, then consider it, but don't worry about fit and just get the best player. Bowie was picked over Jordan because of fit. Talent fits or it gives you great trade possibilities.

I think Simmons' defense is getting overblown. I could understand the issue if he was playing on a team with more talent like Kentucky, but he's the entire offense for LSU. He's doing practically everything on that end while playing OK defense on the other end from what I've seen, though I've already said that he's prone to taking a break from time to time, which doesn't necessarily look good. I wonder if his defensive effort would be higher if he was playing next to more talent offensively that could give him relief. I think that's a fair question.

TRKO wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:After watching both Simmons and Ingram this weekend, I'm not sure there's a blue chip player in this draft. I'm sure someone will turn out to be very good, but it looks like this draft is really going to be a crapshoot. Our scouts really need to do their job this year. And I would definitely consider a trade after we see our position.

Simmons had a 17 pt, 11 reb, 4 ast, 7 stl game this weekend and it's being talked about as a disappointment from most people. It was a little disappointing, but that's because of how talented the guy is. He didn't even play well and was still arguably the best player on the floor.

He's a talent, but there are a lot more questions about him today, then there were at the beginning of the year.

That tends to happen to a lot of phenomenal prospects that get insane amounts of hype from the very beginning. It happened to Wiggins. It happened to Okafor. It's happened to Simmons. It'll happen to some kid next year too.

I agree with this. The top rated players coming in have their game over analyzed. Simmons is a great prospect and would be a good get. I'd be shocked if we landed the first pick again, but it's possible.

If we do get the first pick, then we should pick the best player and let the rest sort itself out. If a great trade offer presents itself, then consider it, but don't worry about fit and just get the best player. Bowie was picked over Jordan because of fit. Talent fits or it gives you great trade possibilities.

I'll just point out that the issues and weaknesses pointed out with Okafor and Wiggins have turned out to be true. That's not to say neither will be great players, but a lot of the concerns voiced turned out to be legitimate.

As for my position on Simmons, I am NOT suggesting we bypass him if we get the #1 pick. What I am suggesting is picking him and then shopping him. My guess is that we get some pretty compelling offers.

Q12543 wrote:

TRKO wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:After watching both Simmons and Ingram this weekend, I'm not sure there's a blue chip player in this draft. I'm sure someone will turn out to be very good, but it looks like this draft is really going to be a crapshoot. Our scouts really need to do their job this year. And I would definitely consider a trade after we see our position.

Simmons had a 17 pt, 11 reb, 4 ast, 7 stl game this weekend and it's being talked about as a disappointment from most people. It was a little disappointing, but that's because of how talented the guy is. He didn't even play well and was still arguably the best player on the floor.

He's a talent, but there are a lot more questions about him today, then there were at the beginning of the year.

That tends to happen to a lot of phenomenal prospects that get insane amounts of hype from the very beginning. It happened to Wiggins. It happened to Okafor. It's happened to Simmons. It'll happen to some kid next year too.

I agree with this. The top rated players coming in have their game over analyzed. Simmons is a great prospect and would be a good get. I'd be shocked if we landed the first pick again, but it's possible.

If we do get the first pick, then we should pick the best player and let the rest sort itself out. If a great trade offer presents itself, then consider it, but don't worry about fit and just get the best player. Bowie was picked over Jordan because of fit. Talent fits or it gives you great trade possibilities.

I'll just point out that the issues and weaknesses pointed out with Okafor and Wiggins have turned out to be true. That's not to say neither will be great players, but a lot of the concerns voiced turned out to be legitimate.

As for my position on Simmons, I am NOT suggesting we bypass him if we get the #1 pick. What I am suggesting is picking him and then shopping him. My guess is that we get some pretty compelling offers.

I guess what I'm saying is that Simmons' defense is good or at least passable when he gives effort, which is most of the time, but when he doesn't give effort it's because he's saving himself for offense because his team really needs him to be that guy or else they just don't have any chance.

Camden wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

TRKO wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:After watching both Simmons and Ingram this weekend, I'm not sure there's a blue chip player in this draft. I'm sure someone will turn out to be very good, but it looks like this draft is really going to be a crapshoot. Our scouts really need to do their job this year. And I would definitely consider a trade after we see our position.

Simmons had a 17 pt, 11 reb, 4 ast, 7 stl game this weekend and it's being talked about as a disappointment from most people. It was a little disappointing, but that's because of how talented the guy is. He didn't even play well and was still arguably the best player on the floor.

He's a talent, but there are a lot more questions about him today, then there were at the beginning of the year.

That tends to happen to a lot of phenomenal prospects that get insane amounts of hype from the very beginning. It happened to Wiggins. It happened to Okafor. It's happened to Simmons. It'll happen to some kid next year too.

I agree with this. The top rated players coming in have their game over analyzed. Simmons is a great prospect and would be a good get. I'd be shocked if we landed the first pick again, but it's possible.

If we do get the first pick, then we should pick the best player and let the rest sort itself out. If a great trade offer presents itself, then consider it, but don't worry about fit and just get the best player. Bowie was picked over Jordan because of fit. Talent fits or it gives you great trade possibilities.

I'll just point out that the issues and weaknesses pointed out with Okafor and Wiggins have turned out to be true. That's not to say neither will be great players, but a lot of the concerns voiced turned out to be legitimate.

As for my position on Simmons, I am NOT suggesting we bypass him if we get the #1 pick. What I am suggesting is picking him and then shopping him. My guess is that we get some pretty compelling offers.

I guess what I'm saying is that Simmons' defense is good or at least passable when he gives effort, which is most of the time, but when he doesn't give effort it's because he's saving himself for offense because his team really needs him to be that guy or else they just don't have any chance.

He should have plenty of energy. He doesn't go to class and only plays 2 games per week. His own program won't even allow him to be up for the Wooden award. You at least have to question what's going on there.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

TRKO wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:After watching both Simmons and Ingram this weekend, I'm not sure there's a blue chip player in this draft. I'm sure someone will turn out to be very good, but it looks like this draft is really going to be a crapshoot. Our scouts really need to do their job this year. And I would definitely consider a trade after we see our position.

Simmons had a 17 pt, 11 reb, 4 ast, 7 stl game this weekend and it's being talked about as a disappointment from most people. It was a little disappointing, but that's because of how talented the guy is. He didn't even play well and was still arguably the best player on the floor.

He's a talent, but there are a lot more questions about him today, then there were at the beginning of the year.

That tends to happen to a lot of phenomenal prospects that get insane amounts of hype from the very beginning. It happened to Wiggins. It happened to Okafor. It's happened to Simmons. It'll happen to some kid next year too.

I agree with this. The top rated players coming in have their game over analyzed. Simmons is a great prospect and would be a good get. I'd be shocked if we landed the first pick again, but it's possible.

If we do get the first pick, then we should pick the best player and let the rest sort itself out. If a great trade offer presents itself, then consider it, but don't worry about fit and just get the best player. Bowie was picked over Jordan because of fit. Talent fits or it gives you great trade possibilities.

I'll just point out that the issues and weaknesses pointed out with Okafor and Wiggins have turned out to be true. That's not to say neither will be great players, but a lot of the concerns voiced turned out to be legitimate.

As for my position on Simmons, I am NOT suggesting we bypass him if we get the #1 pick. What I am suggesting is picking him and then shopping him. My guess is that we get some pretty compelling offers.

I guess what I'm saying is that Simmons' defense is good or at least passable when he gives effort, which is most of the time, but when he doesn't give effort it's because he's saving himself for offense because his team really needs him to be that guy or else they just don't have any chance.

He should have plenty of energy. He doesn't go to class and only plays 2 games per week. His own program won't even allow him to be up for the Wooden award. You at least have to question what's going on there.

I didn't say someone should draft the kid for his academic prowess. The larger issue is the NBA's one-and-done rule being laughable, but that's for another day. Should he be more focused on his studies? You would like him to be. That'd be ideal for anyone his age. He is technically a student athlete, but him not giving effort to his education isn't a glaring red flag for me. It tells me he hates school. Good thing he loves basketball because that's his career choice and he's pretty talented at it.

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

TRKO wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:After watching both Simmons and Ingram this weekend, I'm not sure there's a blue chip player in this draft. I'm sure someone will turn out to be very good, but it looks like this draft is really going to be a crapshoot. Our scouts really need to do their job this year. And I would definitely consider a trade after we see our position.

Simmons had a 17 pt, 11 reb, 4 ast, 7 stl game this weekend and it's being talked about as a disappointment from most people. It was a little disappointing, but that's because of how talented the guy is. He didn't even play well and was still arguably the best player on the floor.

He's a talent, but there are a lot more questions about him today, then there were at the beginning of the year.

That tends to happen to a lot of phenomenal prospects that get insane amounts of hype from the very beginning. It happened to Wiggins. It happened to Okafor. It's happened to Simmons. It'll happen to some kid next year too.

I agree with this. The top rated players coming in have their game over analyzed. Simmons is a great prospect and would be a good get. I'd be shocked if we landed the first pick again, but it's possible.

If we do get the first pick, then we should pick the best player and let the rest sort itself out. If a great trade offer presents itself, then consider it, but don't worry about fit and just get the best player. Bowie was picked over Jordan because of fit. Talent fits or it gives you great trade possibilities.

I'll just point out that the issues and weaknesses pointed out with Okafor and Wiggins have turned out to be true. That's not to say neither will be great players, but a lot of the concerns voiced turned out to be legitimate.

As for my position on Simmons, I am NOT suggesting we bypass him if we get the #1 pick. What I am suggesting is picking him and then shopping him. My guess is that we get some pretty compelling offers.

I guess what I'm saying is that Simmons' defense is good or at least passable when he gives effort, which is most of the time, but when he doesn't give effort it's because he's saving himself for offense because his team really needs him to be that guy or else they just don't have any chance.

He should have plenty of energy. He doesn't go to class and only plays 2 games per week. His own program won't even allow him to be up for the Wooden award. You at least have to question what's going on there.

I didn't say someone should draft the kid for his academic prowess. The larger issue is the NBA's one-and-done rule being laughable, but that's for another day. Should he be more focused on his studies? You would like him to be. That'd be ideal for anyone his age. He is technically a student athlete, but him not giving effort to his education isn't a glaring red flag for me. It tells me he hates school. Good thing he loves basketball because that's his career choice and he's pretty talented at it.

If we get the number one pick, i'd probably advocate taking him. It's just not going to be a slam dunk pick like KAT was. There are question marks to consider, and i'm a big character guy. The reason KAT is so compelling is he's the total package: talent, attitude, intelligence, good teammate, work ethic. Simmons doesn't have all that.

Q12543 wrote:
As for my position on Simmons, I am NOT suggesting we bypass him if we get the #1 pick. What I am suggesting is picking him and then shopping him. My guess is that we get some pretty compelling offers.

It going price for a #1 pick is a top 10 talent like Kevin Love was at the time. A trade like that takes the perfect storm. Going rate for Simmons would be Russell/Randle from Lakers or maybe Parker and Middleton.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

TRKO wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:After watching both Simmons and Ingram this weekend, I'm not sure there's a blue chip player in this draft. I'm sure someone will turn out to be very good, but it looks like this draft is really going to be a crapshoot. Our scouts really need to do their job this year. And I would definitely consider a trade after we see our position.

Simmons had a 17 pt, 11 reb, 4 ast, 7 stl game this weekend and it's being talked about as a disappointment from most people. It was a little disappointing, but that's because of how talented the guy is. He didn't even play well and was still arguably the best player on the floor.

He's a talent, but there are a lot more questions about him today, then there were at the beginning of the year.

That tends to happen to a lot of phenomenal prospects that get insane amounts of hype from the very beginning. It happened to Wiggins. It happened to Okafor. It's happened to Simmons. It'll happen to some kid next year too.

I agree with this. The top rated players coming in have their game over analyzed. Simmons is a great prospect and would be a good get. I'd be shocked if we landed the first pick again, but it's possible.

If we do get the first pick, then we should pick the best player and let the rest sort itself out. If a great trade offer presents itself, then consider it, but don't worry about fit and just get the best player. Bowie was picked over Jordan because of fit. Talent fits or it gives you great trade possibilities.

I'll just point out that the issues and weaknesses pointed out with Okafor and Wiggins have turned out to be true. That's not to say neither will be great players, but a lot of the concerns voiced turned out to be legitimate.

As for my position on Simmons, I am NOT suggesting we bypass him if we get the #1 pick. What I am suggesting is picking him and then shopping him. My guess is that we get some pretty compelling offers.

I guess what I'm saying is that Simmons' defense is good or at least passable when he gives effort, which is most of the time, but when he doesn't give effort it's because he's saving himself for offense because his team really needs him to be that guy or else they just don't have any chance.

He should have plenty of energy. He doesn't go to class and only plays 2 games per week. His own program won't even allow him to be up for the Wooden award. You at least have to question what's going on there.

I didn't say someone should draft the kid for his academic prowess. The larger issue is the NBA's one-and-done rule being laughable, but that's for another day. Should he be more focused on his studies? You would like him to be. That'd be ideal for anyone his age. He is technically a student athlete, but him not giving effort to his education isn't a glaring red flag for me. It tells me he hates school. Good thing he loves basketball because that's his career choice and he's pretty talented at it.

If we get the number one pick, i'd probably advocate taking him. It's just not going to be a slam dunk pick like KAT was. There are question marks to consider, and i'm a big character guy. The reason KAT is so compelling is he's the total package: talent, attitude, intelligence, good teammate, work ethic. Simmons doesn't have all that.

I can assure you that Karl-Anthony Towns is a very special No. 1 overall pick. I argued hard enough in his favor last year that it should be known that I'm a huge supporter. He has all you said and more, without a doubt.

Simmons isn't the prospect Towns was. And for clarification purposes, I have to say that I've been saying Ingram > Simmons since the start of the season, but I still really like Simmons. The only aspect that you listed that isn't a certainty is attitude because we don't know how he is off the court. We just have no way to know that. I do think he has all the other ones, though. Talent? Check. Intelligence? Check (on court, he absolutely does). Good teammate? Check. Work ethic? I don't think it's possible to get that good at something and not be a hard worker. So, check.

My biggest question about him has always been about his jumper. That's the main reason why I have Ingram ahead of him.