slimcalhoun27 wrote:Here is my concern with Collin, if he didn't have the huge game in the Final or versus South Carolina in the NCAA Tournament....would anyone be speaking of him right now? Also, his conference competition is weak. Even in his Draftexpress write up they mention his lack of competition and lack of game tape. For me, the jury is out if he can be an NBA talent who can be more then a glue or fill in the blanks player which Dieng does well for us. We need a player who can be NBA on one level (offense, defense, 3shooting, etc) I don't see a player better then Markkanen in Collins , nor Isaac. If we want a defense and hustle guy then let's trade back and get my favorite baby Huey, Ike Anigbogu for defense only.
the fact that he has a thin frame combined with average legth scares me, hell he struggled badly with length in college what;s going to happen in the NBA?
What struggles did he have in college? I wanted nearly every game and didn't see him struggle with any defender this year. If thin framed is a concern, then Collins being the same size, and Isaac being 25 pounds lighter and smaller and only a 7'1" wingspan isn't killing the measurements.
Like I mentioned in my write up, I would feel more comfortable with Markk on this team with his skillset and shooting ability. If we can secure a FA PF in Ibaka, (pipe dream) to become our starter then our bench depth with a scorer next to Dieng would be amazing. I don't see a true starter caliber player beyond Fultz, Ball, Jackson and if we can get a PF like Ibaka we can allow growth options for a guy like Markk to adapt. My opinion
Ricky, Dunn
??, Lavine
Wiggins, Bjelica
Ibaka, Markkanen
Kat, Dieng
Issac is a SF/PF, Collins is a PF/C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqyxME21t3U
A lot of examples in that video of his length being an issue and it's only going to get worse, will his other skills make up for it? He might be not quite good enough to be a shot blocker, and not big enough to really bang in the post. I would much rather have Markkannen
If your draft pick can become one of your better players, it is a huge advantage. No real substitute for a major contributor being on a rookie contract. This is a strong draft, so I'm thinking we should be able to find a guy who fills the bill. I hope we keep and hit on this pick.
slimcalhoun27 wrote:Just because D Will came from Arizona doesn't mean all players going forward are bad Ricky. Did you forget about Iguodala, Bibby, Terry, Jefferson, Arenas etc etc? Arizona is not known for PF/C development, always was a Guard recruitment hub under Lute Olsen.
I don't think he's bad, I just think he's too one dimensional for my liking if we have a top 6 pick and there are two way talents on the board. The same school thing is a nod to when the Wolves went to Syracuse twice giving us two of the franchise's worst ever picks in Flynn and Wes Johnson.
I'm telling you, stats like blocks, assists, and rebounds - i.e. the "do shit" stats - translate quite well to the NBA. With Markkanen at his size, if he couldn't rebound, pass, or protect the rim well in college, it ain't happening in the NBA. He's a one-dimensional player and it's likely to stay that way.
slimcalhoun27 wrote:Here is my concern with Collin, if he didn't have the huge game in the Final or versus South Carolina in the NCAA Tournament....would anyone be speaking of him right now? Also, his conference competition is weak. Even in his Draftexpress write up they mention his lack of competition and lack of game tape. For me, the jury is out if he can be an NBA talent who can be more then a glue or fill in the blanks player which Dieng does well for us. We need a player who can be NBA on one level (offense, defense, 3shooting, etc) I don't see a player better then Markkanen in Collins , nor Isaac. If we want a defense and hustle guy then let's trade back and get my favorite baby Huey, Ike Anigbogu for defense only.
Fair concerns on Collins in terms of his minutes and conference. I'm convinced he would have been the starting Center on most other elite D-1 teams if he wasn't playing behind 5th year senior Karnowski. Gonzaga was often better with Collins in the game though because of his mobility. His big issue was foul problems because he's an aggressive S.O.B.
slimcalhoun27 wrote:Here is my concern with Collin, if he didn't have the huge game in the Final or versus South Carolina in the NCAA Tournament....would anyone be speaking of him right now? Also, his conference competition is weak. Even in his Draftexpress write up they mention his lack of competition and lack of game tape. For me, the jury is out if he can be an NBA talent who can be more then a glue or fill in the blanks player which Dieng does well for us. We need a player who can be NBA on one level (offense, defense, 3shooting, etc) I don't see a player better then Markkanen in Collins , nor Isaac. If we want a defense and hustle guy then let's trade back and get my favorite baby Huey, Ike Anigbogu for defense only.
the fact that he has a thin frame combined with average legth scares me, hell he struggled badly with length in college what;s going to happen in the NBA?
What struggles did he have in college? I wanted nearly every game and didn't see him struggle with any defender this year. If thin framed is a concern, then Collins being the same size, and Isaac being 25 pounds lighter and smaller and only a 7'1" wingspan isn't killing the measurements.
Like I mentioned in my write up, I would feel more comfortable with Markk on this team with his skillset and shooting ability. If we can secure a FA PF in Ibaka, (pipe dream) to become our starter then our bench depth with a scorer next to Dieng would be amazing. I don't see a true starter caliber player beyond Fultz, Ball, Jackson and if we can get a PF like Ibaka we can allow growth options for a guy like Markk to adapt. My opinion
Ricky, Dunn
??, Lavine
Wiggins, Bjelica
Ibaka, Markkanen
Kat, Dieng
Issac is a SF/PF, Collins is a PF/C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqyxME21t3U
A lot of examples in that video of his length being an issue and it's only going to get worse, will his other skills make up for it? He might be not quite good enough to be a shot blocker, and not big enough to really bang in the post. I would much rather have Markkannen
He can jump out of the gym so his length is a non-issue for rebounding and only becomes an issue if you make him ground based defensively. I'm not as worried about that when he's coming from the weak side because most weakside defenders are challenging guys already going up for shots. His biggest problems are fouling and if his length is an issue he won't be a great ground based defender, but I believe that's what KAT is for. Let Collins cover the weak side.
Last year there were fans of Thomas Bryant on this board. He is an intruiging guy. It's just one clip of a workout but he looks pretty good stroking the 3.
monsterpile wrote:Last year there were fans of Thomas Bryant on this board. He is an intruiging guy. It's just one clip of a workout but he looks pretty good stroking the 3.
