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sjm34 wrote:I am sitting on Jimmy until Adebayo and JR are coming back. They can keep their protected 1st, but I want to wait until they can put Ellington into the deal. We don't need any bad contracts. It isn't our job to bail Riley out of the mess he has created down there. Miami's roster and salary cap makes our's look like the Spurs of past years.

Agreed sjm. Miami has a bunch of bad contracts. Whiteside, j johnson, t johnson, waiters. Olynyk is debatable and winslow's new deal as well. We dont owe heat anything to bail them out of even 1 of those. Richardson, ellington and either a 1st or bam.

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:I am sitting on Jimmy until Adebayo and JR are coming back. They can keep their protected 1st, but I want to wait until they can put Ellington into the deal. We don't need any bad contracts. It isn't our job to bail Riley out of the mess he has created down there. Miami's roster and salary cap makes our's look like the Spurs of past years.

If you want JR and Adebayo, as I do, we'll need to take back a bad contract to make the salaries work. JR, Adebayo and Waiters for Butler and Patton. Would you do that deal?

I wouldn't do it. We don't want Waiters anywhere near this team, and Thibs specifically. That means someone else needs to take him. If Miami can find that on there end, I could part with Patton, but I don't see that happening.

sjm34 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:I am sitting on Jimmy until Adebayo and JR are coming back. They can keep their protected 1st, but I want to wait until they can put Ellington into the deal. We don't need any bad contracts. It isn't our job to bail Riley out of the mess he has created down there. Miami's roster and salary cap makes our's look like the Spurs of past years.

If you want JR and Adebayo, as I do, we'll need to take back a bad contract to make the salaries work. JR, Adebayo and Waiters for Butler and Patton. Would you do that deal?

I wouldn't do it. We don't want Waiters anywhere near this team, and Thibs specifically. That means someone else needs to take him. If Miami can find that on there end, I could part with Patton, but I don't see that happening.

Well, don't worry, it won't happen. It was reported today that Riley has "pulled the plug" on trade talks for Butler. It was also reported today that Thibodeau's asking price for Butler went up after the now infamous Wolves practice where Jimmy went off on everyone. That's after apparently demanding more than any team in the League was willing to give up. Butler has said that he told Thibodeau he wanted out early in the summer. Thibodeau may be the most stubborn fool on the planet. He now has the result he wanted -- Butler is still with the team and playing in the regular season. Meanwhile, Glen Taylor has completely lost any control over his own team. I guarantee you this won't end well for the Wolves. But what else is new.

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:I am sitting on Jimmy until Adebayo and JR are coming back. They can keep their protected 1st, but I want to wait until they can put Ellington into the deal. We don't need any bad contracts. It isn't our job to bail Riley out of the mess he has created down there. Miami's roster and salary cap makes our's look like the Spurs of past years.

If you want JR and Adebayo, as I do, we'll need to take back a bad contract to make the salaries work. JR, Adebayo and Waiters for Butler and Patton. Would you do that deal?

I wouldn't do it. We don't want Waiters anywhere near this team, and Thibs specifically. That means someone else needs to take him. If Miami can find that on there end, I could part with Patton, but I don't see that happening.

Well, don't worry, it won't happen. It was reported today that Riley has "pulled the plug" on trade talks for Butler. It was also reported today that Thibodeau's asking price for Butler went up after the now infamous Wolves practice where Jimmy went off on everyone. That's after apparently demanding more than any team in the League was willing to give up. Butler has said that he told Thibodeau he wanted out early in the summer. Thibodeau may be the most stubborn fool on the planet. He now has the result he wanted -- Butler is still with the team and playing in the regular season. Meanwhile, Glen Taylor has completely lost any control over his own team. I guarantee you this won't end well for the Wolves. But what else is new.

I keep thinking there must be some "crazy like a fox" angle to this nonsense. But it's the Minnesota Timberwolves.

I've been a fan of the organization since 1989. I'm anything but a kneejerk reactionary type. But they're making it really really difficult to make any future investment in this organization.

Meanwhile, I've always followed my first basketball love from various levels of fandom through the years. With a young Celtics fan I know very well all in on that team the past couple of years... I've rekindled that passion a bit.

It seems to be a slightly more strategically managed franchise than the Wolves.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:I am sitting on Jimmy until Adebayo and JR are coming back. They can keep their protected 1st, but I want to wait until they can put Ellington into the deal. We don't need any bad contracts. It isn't our job to bail Riley out of the mess he has created down there. Miami's roster and salary cap makes our's look like the Spurs of past years.

If you want JR and Adebayo, as I do, we'll need to take back a bad contract to make the salaries work. JR, Adebayo and Waiters for Butler and Patton. Would you do that deal?

I wouldn't do it. We don't want Waiters anywhere near this team, and Thibs specifically. That means someone else needs to take him. If Miami can find that on there end, I could part with Patton, but I don't see that happening.

Well, don't worry, it won't happen. It was reported today that Riley has "pulled the plug" on trade talks for Butler. It was also reported today that Thibodeau's asking price for Butler went up after the now infamous Wolves practice where Jimmy went off on everyone. That's after apparently demanding more than any team in the League was willing to give up. Butler has said that he told Thibodeau he wanted out early in the summer. Thibodeau may be the most stubborn fool on the planet. He now has the result he wanted -- Butler is still with the team and playing in the regular season. Meanwhile, Glen Taylor has completely lost any control over his own team. I guarantee you this won't end well for the Wolves. But what else is new.

I keep thinking there must be some "crazy like a fox" angle to this nonsense. But it's the Minnesota Timberwolves.

I've been a fan of the organization since 1989. I'm anything but a kneejerk reactionary type. But they're making it really really difficult to make any future investment in this organization.

Meanwhile, I've always followed my first basketball love from various levels of fandom through the years. With a young Celtics fan I know very well all in on that team the past couple of years... I've rekindled that passion a bit.

It seems to be a slightly more strategically managed franchise than the Wolves.

I'm feeling the same way, Abe. In fact, my wife said the other day that she doesn't want to renew our season tickets next season. It will be hard to give them up. I've been a die-hard Wolves fan since 1989 like you and a season ticket holder since 2000. I've invested a ton of money and emotion into this team - perserving though as a fan through the Joe Smith debacle, David Kahn, Kurt Rambis and the rest of it. Yet now, for the first time in nearly 30 I can actually see my attachment to this team, both financially and emotionally, coming to an end.

Thibodeau has brought a combination of incompetence and toxicity to this organization I've never seen. Even the once fan-friendly non-basketball executives and fan-relations staff have become remote and arrogant. Meanwhile, the owner seems totally lost.

I'll be at tomorrow night's game, but won't have the same zeal for this team. Just watching Thibodeau standing and bellowing in front of me will such any remaining sliver of joy right out of me.

lipoli390 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:I am sitting on Jimmy until Adebayo and JR are coming back. They can keep their protected 1st, but I want to wait until they can put Ellington into the deal. We don't need any bad contracts. It isn't our job to bail Riley out of the mess he has created down there. Miami's roster and salary cap makes our's look like the Spurs of past years.

If you want JR and Adebayo, as I do, we'll need to take back a bad contract to make the salaries work. JR, Adebayo and Waiters for Butler and Patton. Would you do that deal?

I wouldn't do it. We don't want Waiters anywhere near this team, and Thibs specifically. That means someone else needs to take him. If Miami can find that on there end, I could part with Patton, but I don't see that happening.

Well, don't worry, it won't happen. It was reported today that Riley has "pulled the plug" on trade talks for Butler. It was also reported today that Thibodeau's asking price for Butler went up after the now infamous Wolves practice where Jimmy went off on everyone. That's after apparently demanding more than any team in the League was willing to give up. Butler has said that he told Thibodeau he wanted out early in the summer. Thibodeau may be the most stubborn fool on the planet. He now has the result he wanted -- Butler is still with the team and playing in the regular season. Meanwhile, Glen Taylor has completely lost any control over his own team. I guarantee you this won't end well for the Wolves. But what else is new.

I keep thinking there must be some "crazy like a fox" angle to this nonsense. But it's the Minnesota Timberwolves.

I've been a fan of the organization since 1989. I'm anything but a kneejerk reactionary type. But they're making it really really difficult to make any future investment in this organization.

Meanwhile, I've always followed my first basketball love from various levels of fandom through the years. With a young Celtics fan I know very well all in on that team the past couple of years... I've rekindled that passion a bit.

It seems to be a slightly more strategically managed franchise than the Wolves.

I'm feeling the same way, Abe. In fact, my wife said the other day that she doesn't want to renew our season tickets next season. It will be hard to give them up. I've been a die-hard Wolves fan since 1989 like you and a season ticket holder since 2000. I've invested a ton of money and emotion into this team - perserving though as a fan through the Joe Smith debacle, David Kahn, Kurt Rambis and the rest of it. Yet now, for the first time in nearly 30 I can actually see my attachment to this team, both financially and emotionally, coming to an end.

Thibodeau has brought a combination of incompetence and toxicity to this organization I've never seen. Even the once fan-friendly non-basketball executives and fan-relations staff have become remote and arrogant. Meanwhile, the owner seems totally lost.

I'll be at tomorrow night's game, but won't have the same zeal for this team. Just watching Thibodeau standing and bellowing in front of me will such any remaining sliver of joy right out of me.

Since you will be there say Hi to Kevin Love for me. :)

I've honeslty found myself losing some interest in sports in general and the Wolves are certainly part of it. I don't really play a sport any more either. I have gotten into running so I don't play ball much. It's not just Thibs or whatever it just feels like at some point...idk I don't see a path towards whatever...you know like top level organization that makes you proud to cheer for. Football is the sport that I follow that I care about the least but the Vikings are probably the best run as far as finding and developing talented being generally competent and they have their flaws too. They do have some good humans there. The Athletic had a very nice piece about Spielman's family in particular JD and his brother Ronnie. Rick can't even watch JD's game like a regular person he gets too nervous so he just scouts it like it's any other game. Sports is supposed to be fun entertaining and also inspire. It's losing a lot of that for me. Who wants to cheer super hard for guys in one way or another like Wiggins and Sano? I still have some believe in both of their talents but you know what I am getting at.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:I am sitting on Jimmy until Adebayo and JR are coming back. They can keep their protected 1st, but I want to wait until they can put Ellington into the deal. We don't need any bad contracts. It isn't our job to bail Riley out of the mess he has created down there. Miami's roster and salary cap makes our's look like the Spurs of past years.

If you want JR and Adebayo, as I do, we'll need to take back a bad contract to make the salaries work. JR, Adebayo and Waiters for Butler and Patton. Would you do that deal?

I wouldn't do it. We don't want Waiters anywhere near this team, and Thibs specifically. That means someone else needs to take him. If Miami can find that on there end, I could part with Patton, but I don't see that happening.

Well, don't worry, it won't happen. It was reported today that Riley has "pulled the plug" on trade talks for Butler. It was also reported today that Thibodeau's asking price for Butler went up after the now infamous Wolves practice where Jimmy went off on everyone. That's after apparently demanding more than any team in the League was willing to give up. Butler has said that he told Thibodeau he wanted out early in the summer. Thibodeau may be the most stubborn fool on the planet. He now has the result he wanted -- Butler is still with the team and playing in the regular season. Meanwhile, Glen Taylor has completely lost any control over his own team. I guarantee you this won't end well for the Wolves. But what else is new.

I keep thinking there must be some "crazy like a fox" angle to this nonsense. But it's the Minnesota Timberwolves.

I've been a fan of the organization since 1989. I'm anything but a kneejerk reactionary type. But they're making it really really difficult to make any future investment in this organization.

Meanwhile, I've always followed my first basketball love from various levels of fandom through the years. With a young Celtics fan I know very well all in on that team the past couple of years... I've rekindled that passion a bit.

It seems to be a slightly more strategically managed franchise than the Wolves.

I'm feeling the same way, Abe. In fact, my wife said the other day that she doesn't want to renew our season tickets next season. It will be hard to give them up. I've been a die-hard Wolves fan since 1989 like you and a season ticket holder since 2000. I've invested a ton of money and emotion into this team - perserving though as a fan through the Joe Smith debacle, David Kahn, Kurt Rambis and the rest of it. Yet now, for the first time in nearly 30 I can actually see my attachment to this team, both financially and emotionally, coming to an end.

Thibodeau has brought a combination of incompetence and toxicity to this organization I've never seen. Even the once fan-friendly non-basketball executives and fan-relations staff have become remote and arrogant. Meanwhile, the owner seems totally lost.

I'll be at tomorrow night's game, but won't have the same zeal for this team. Just watching Thibodeau standing and bellowing in front of me will such any remaining sliver of joy right out of me.

Since you will be there say Hi to Kevin Love for me. :)

I've honeslty found myself losing some interest in sports in general and the Wolves are certainly part of it. I don't really play a sport any more either. I have gotten into running so I don't play ball much. It's not just Thibs or whatever it just feels like at some point...idk I don't see a path towards whatever...you know like top level organization that makes you proud to cheer for. Football is the sport that I follow that I care about the least but the Vikings are probably the best run as far as finding and developing talented being generally competent and they have their flaws too. They do have some good humans there. The Athletic had a very nice piece about Spielman's family in particular JD and his brother Ronnie. Rick can't even watch JD's game like a regular person he gets too nervous so he just scouts it like it's any other game. Sports is supposed to be fun entertaining and also inspire. It's losing a lot of that for me. Who wants to cheer super hard for guys in one way or another like Wiggins and Sano? I still have some believe in both of their talents but you know what I am getting at.

I know what you're saying, Monster. I don't have the same passion for baseball I used to have. Baseball was always my best sport and the sport I played in high school. I was also a rabid Cubs fan growing up in Chicago. So I certainly know what it is to be a long suffering fan of a losing team. But other than the change in my level of interest in baseball, I haven't found my interest in sports declining much. Even though I'm no longer playing recreational basketball or softball, I'm still playing a lot of tennis and I still love watching basketball. I also continue to watch the Vikings every Sunday and follow the Twins pretty closely, going to a few games every summer.

I agree that the Vikings are the only well-run professional sports team in Minnesota at the moment. I remain hopeful that the Twins will put things together with the young talent they have at the major league level and in their minor league system. I do like what they're building. I've just never been as disgusted with a professional sports franchise I've rooted for as I am now with the Timberwolves. Watching the Wolves under Thibodeau right now is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I want to stop the wreck from happening, but I can't so I'll just have to wait until it's over.

lipoli390 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:I am sitting on Jimmy until Adebayo and JR are coming back. They can keep their protected 1st, but I want to wait until they can put Ellington into the deal. We don't need any bad contracts. It isn't our job to bail Riley out of the mess he has created down there. Miami's roster and salary cap makes our's look like the Spurs of past years.

If you want JR and Adebayo, as I do, we'll need to take back a bad contract to make the salaries work. JR, Adebayo and Waiters for Butler and Patton. Would you do that deal?

I wouldn't do it. We don't want Waiters anywhere near this team, and Thibs specifically. That means someone else needs to take him. If Miami can find that on there end, I could part with Patton, but I don't see that happening.

Well, don't worry, it won't happen. It was reported today that Riley has "pulled the plug" on trade talks for Butler. It was also reported today that Thibodeau's asking price for Butler went up after the now infamous Wolves practice where Jimmy went off on everyone. That's after apparently demanding more than any team in the League was willing to give up. Butler has said that he told Thibodeau he wanted out early in the summer. Thibodeau may be the most stubborn fool on the planet. He now has the result he wanted -- Butler is still with the team and playing in the regular season. Meanwhile, Glen Taylor has completely lost any control over his own team. I guarantee you this won't end well for the Wolves. But what else is new.

I keep thinking there must be some "crazy like a fox" angle to this nonsense. But it's the Minnesota Timberwolves.

I've been a fan of the organization since 1989. I'm anything but a kneejerk reactionary type. But they're making it really really difficult to make any future investment in this organization.

Meanwhile, I've always followed my first basketball love from various levels of fandom through the years. With a young Celtics fan I know very well all in on that team the past couple of years... I've rekindled that passion a bit.

It seems to be a slightly more strategically managed franchise than the Wolves.

I'm feeling the same way, Abe. In fact, my wife said the other day that she doesn't want to renew our season tickets next season. It will be hard to give them up. I've been a die-hard Wolves fan since 1989 like you and a season ticket holder since 2000. I've invested a ton of money and emotion into this team - perserving though as a fan through the Joe Smith debacle, David Kahn, Kurt Rambis and the rest of it. Yet now, for the first time in nearly 30 I can actually see my attachment to this team, both financially and emotionally, coming to an end.

Thibodeau has brought a combination of incompetence and toxicity to this organization I've never seen. Even the once fan-friendly non-basketball executives and fan-relations staff have become remote and arrogant. Meanwhile, the owner seems totally lost.

I'll be at tomorrow night's game, but won't have the same zeal for this team. Just watching Thibodeau standing and bellowing in front of me will such any remaining sliver of joy right out of me.

I'm honestly sorry to hear that. It must be hard to have invested so much time and money into the franchise. I go to one road game every couple of years and I'm feeling duped. But ultimately I love basketball and love having a team. If we made it through the Telfair years when there was no effort even given to this team, I think we can get through this. Even though it seems like the dysfunction is at an all time insane. Glen has been saying in interviews the same thing which is bizarre as hell. Almost, "I know how to handle it when things go to hell" yet when everytime things have gotten bad with this team, it gets worse long before it improves. Ultimately, I'd start getting pretty sad if the last vestiage of true wolves fans backed out. My friends from Minnesota laugh at me for still following and caring about the team, a lot of them used to have season tickets too. My family had season tickets for the first 10 years of the franchise, I can't blame anyone for giving that up but it certainly hurts to think we may not get those game reports.

Gery Woelfel: NBA teams aren't exactly blowing away Minnesota officials with offers for ex-Marquette standout Jimmy Butler, Sources say the Heat offered Josh Richardson, Kelly Olynyk and a protected first-round pick. Twolves wisely took a pass.
- via Twitter GeryWoelfel

Thibs and Jimmy are gone in 8 months so why is it imperative to your guys fandom that they be jettisoned now over 8 months from now? That makes no sense to me. I could understand if it looked like they were here to stay for the long haul, but they aren't. After all this time of being a terrible organization I find it a bit ridiculous this season is the final straw with people and they are shutting it down for good considering their griping points will not be here next season.