Q12543 wrote:Jeff Van Gundy does a great job calling out rules the League needs to work on. One is how much contact, holding, and grabbing is allowed in the low post, yet a guard driving to the hoop can hardly be touched. Now I'm all for keeping the game called clean for dribble drive guys. But then the same should apply to low post players. Guys like Zaza and Green shouldn't be allowed to regularly mug, hold, and wrestle opposing bigs.
The other is the carry. When they re-played that Durant post-up on Irving, it was shockingly blatant how much he carried the ball. If we want to start tipping the balance a little more toward the defense, then carries and travels need to get called more tightly.
All of this along with the stop-on-a-dime coming-around-a-pick-to-draw-contact-on-the-defender-while-flailing-up-a-shot play (I'd still call it a foul, but a non-shooting foul, just like the rip-through move) needs to get addressed to make the game even better.
JVG is both a mad scientist at times with some of his comments and also makes some great points. Lol
im not disagreeing with Q's point about more carries being called but it seems like that has been called more the last few years. When I first started watching basically every Wolves game a few years ago that was NEVER called that i can remember. Now it seems like it's called every so often.
I'm so glad I am not an NBA ref. That low post stuff is crazy down there and so much to be looking for. With the bullying for position sometimes it feels like watching the Line of scrimmage battles between the offense and defensive line in football where you could call something every play. No it's not that bad but you also have to watch for 5 other things too besides just that stuff. Draymond and Zaza do seem to get away with more than their fair share of stuff. Players are smart...and dumb at the same time they try and outsmart both opposing players and officials and sometimes they just do dumb stuff. It's easy to forget how high level of game this is for everyone involved.
Everyone carries the ball. Who cares at this point? You think Irving can make half the moves he makes without traveling or carrying the ball? Carrying is the same as 3 step traveling in my mind. Yes it's against the rules, but at this level everyone does it so you let them all play on the same playing field. Tristan Thompson mauls with the best of them in the paint so I find it hard to go after Draymond and Zaza. You could call a foul on TT on almost every offensive rebound he grabs because he's just throwing guys out of the way. LeBron has had a recent trend of just running over people left and right until the 8th-9th-10th time when he's finally called for it. He's playing like Shaq except from the perimeter. The Cavs wings set illegal screens almost every time because they aren't big enough to set a legal screen and have it actually work. Both teams are getting away with it and that's all that matters. If the refs don't set the tone early, the game is lost anyway.
Fuck Kevin Durant that's what I have to say. He has ruined the playoffs for the foreseeable future with his wimpy move and now we have the news that he is open to taking a small paycut to stay with GSW. I will give him credit for 0.3 rings he wins this year I don't care how salty it sounds it's honestly all he deserves
BloopOracle wrote:Fuck Kevin Durant that's what I have to say. He has ruined the playoffs for the foreseeable future with his wimpy move and now we have the news that he is open to taking a small paycut to stay with GSW. I will give him credit for 0.3 rings he wins this year I don't care how salty it sounds it's honestly all he deserves
I agree, Bloop. I like Paul Pierce's comment the other day that Durant signing with the Warriors is like the guy who gets beat up by a gang of bullies and then joins the gang rather than standing up to them. It's a highly imperfect analogy, but I still like it. Bottom line is that Durant's decision was, as you characterized it, wimpy. I hate watching him pump his fist or flex after hittting a string of buckets. It's like joining the Harlem Globtrotter and then celebrating after a dunk against the Washington Generals. I'd be embarrassed if I were him. Giving three-tenths credit for the ring he'll get this year is generous.
BloopOracle wrote:Fuck Kevin Durant that's what I have to say. He has ruined the playoffs for the foreseeable future with his wimpy move and now we have the news that he is open to taking a small paycut to stay with GSW. I will give him credit for 0.3 rings he wins this year I don't care how salty it sounds it's honestly all he deserves
I agree, Bloop. I like Paul Pierce's comment the other day that Durant signing with the Warriors is like the guy who gets beat up by a gang of bullies and then joins the gang rather than standing up to them. It's a highly imperfect analogy, but I still like it. Bottom line is that Durant's decision was, as you characterized it, wimpy. I hate watching him pump his fist or flex after hittting a string of buckets. It's like joining the Harlem Globtrotter and then celebrating after a dunk against the Washington Generals. I'd be embarrassed if I were him. Giving three-tenths credit for the ring he'll get this year is generous.
While I dislike KD going to the Warriors, it's the entire player's union that is at fault. The only reason KD could do what he did was because of the incredible jump in the salary cap last year. Adam Silver and the owners wanted to step up the salary cap over several years so last year's free agency lunacy wouldn't happen. The players said no.
BloopOracle wrote:Fuck Kevin Durant that's what I have to say. He has ruined the playoffs for the foreseeable future with his wimpy move and now we have the news that he is open to taking a small paycut to stay with GSW. I will give him credit for 0.3 rings he wins this year I don't care how salty it sounds it's honestly all he deserves
I agree, Bloop. I like Paul Pierce's comment the other day that Durant signing with the Warriors is like the guy who gets beat up by a gang of bullies and then joins the gang rather than standing up to them. It's a highly imperfect analogy, but I still like it. Bottom line is that Durant's decision was, as you characterized it, wimpy. I hate watching him pump his fist or flex after hittting a string of buckets. It's like joining the Harlem Globtrotter and then celebrating after a dunk against the Washington Generals. I'd be embarrassed if I were him. Giving three-tenths credit for the ring he'll get this year is generous.
Fuck that. He's playing Lebron James in his prime. The Washington Generals. Are you kidding me? LeBron has had a free trip to the finals for 7 years because of that wimpy conference and he's created his own super teams joining the Heat with Wade and Bosh and then Cleveland with Kyrie and then getting Love. None of that has affected his legacy in the slightest. Why should it affect KD? This notion that it's better to get beat over and over again and fail than ever succeed is dumb. At the end of the day it's about winning and he might go down as the best player in this series if he keeps playing the way he is and that would prove he more than deserved this title. There's never been a finals MVP that didn't deserve that title.
BloopOracle wrote:Fuck Kevin Durant that's what I have to say. He has ruined the playoffs for the foreseeable future with his wimpy move and now we have the news that he is open to taking a small paycut to stay with GSW. I will give him credit for 0.3 rings he wins this year I don't care how salty it sounds it's honestly all he deserves
I agree, Bloop. I like Paul Pierce's comment the other day that Durant signing with the Warriors is like the guy who gets beat up by a gang of bullies and then joins the gang rather than standing up to them. It's a highly imperfect analogy, but I still like it. Bottom line is that Durant's decision was, as you characterized it, wimpy. I hate watching him pump his fist or flex after hittting a string of buckets. It's like joining the Harlem Globtrotter and then celebrating after a dunk against the Washington Generals. I'd be embarrassed if I were him. Giving three-tenths credit for the ring he'll get this year is generous.
Fuck that. He's playing Lebron James in his prime. The Washington Generals. Are you kidding me? LeBron has had a free trip to the finals for 7 years because of that wimpy conference and he's created his own super teams joining the Heat with Wade and Bosh and then Cleveland with Kyrie and then getting Love. None of that has affected his legacy in the slightest. Why should it affect KD? This notion that it's better to get beat over and over again and fail than ever succeed is dumb. At the end of the day it's about winning and he might go down as the best player in this series if he keeps playing the way he is and that would prove he more than deserved this title. There's never been a finals MVP that didn't deserve that title.
So why didn't KD join the Wizards or Boston then? He had multiple already playoff teams he could have elevated to legit title contender but instead he decides to go to the team that he was up 3-1 on and collapsed because Durant decided to play hero ball and OKC fell apart. Durant lost them that series and then joins them, a 73 win team arguably the 2nd best player in the NBA joining that. Why you would compare that to Lebron joining a team in Miami that was bounced in the first round the prior season. Lebron created his super teams Durant decided to add himself to a super team that already existed so that's a terrible comparison. It will forever tarnish his legacy and is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen in terms of player movement in any major sport. Durant can have his crackerjack box quality ring in the eyes of his peers if that makes him feel better, no matter how many rings he wins the fact that he took the easiest path possible will always hang over him. If you think he has a chance to be the best player in the series khan just make sure you don't forget it's because he took over Harrison fucking Barnes role, not exactly a lot of pressure and an easy path to skyrocketing efficiency.
BloopOracle wrote:Fuck Kevin Durant that's what I have to say. He has ruined the playoffs for the foreseeable future with his wimpy move and now we have the news that he is open to taking a small paycut to stay with GSW. I will give him credit for 0.3 rings he wins this year I don't care how salty it sounds it's honestly all he deserves
I agree, Bloop. I like Paul Pierce's comment the other day that Durant signing with the Warriors is like the guy who gets beat up by a gang of bullies and then joins the gang rather than standing up to them. It's a highly imperfect analogy, but I still like it. Bottom line is that Durant's decision was, as you characterized it, wimpy. I hate watching him pump his fist or flex after hittting a string of buckets. It's like joining the Harlem Globtrotter and then celebrating after a dunk against the Washington Generals. I'd be embarrassed if I were him. Giving three-tenths credit for the ring he'll get this year is generous.
While I dislike KD going to the Warriors, it's the entire player's union that is at fault. The only reason KD could do what he did was because of the incredible jump in the salary cap last year. Adam Silver and the owners wanted to step up the salary cap over several years so last year's free agency lunacy wouldn't happen. The players said no.
I agree with Tim wholeheartedly. Paul, LeBron, and all other players have no room to complain as it is their fault that this happened. Further, ANY team and EVERY fan would not complain if you were the GSWs and then added KD. The goal is to win the finals, and they didnt last year. Were they supposed to feel bad for everyone else because they were in a position to add a top player to their top team? It made plenty of sense for KD as well. Why take the near impossible route by staying on OKC and killing yourself every year only to come up short. This allows him to win at his profession and to extend his career by reducing miles. If you had the option to make near the same salary but gain more in bonuses (endorsements), move to Cali vs Oklahoma, and be with a top company who guarantees high success for the next 4+ years - you aren't making the move? Don't forget that OKCs trade of harden likely irked him as well.
I dont like it and it sucks for us fans because it kills the champio lnship aspirations but Blame OKC and the players association, nothing else.
BloopOracle wrote:Fuck Kevin Durant that's what I have to say. He has ruined the playoffs for the foreseeable future with his wimpy move and now we have the news that he is open to taking a small paycut to stay with GSW. I will give him credit for 0.3 rings he wins this year I don't care how salty it sounds it's honestly all he deserves
I agree, Bloop. I like Paul Pierce's comment the other day that Durant signing with the Warriors is like the guy who gets beat up by a gang of bullies and then joins the gang rather than standing up to them. It's a highly imperfect analogy, but I still like it. Bottom line is that Durant's decision was, as you characterized it, wimpy. I hate watching him pump his fist or flex after hittting a string of buckets. It's like joining the Harlem Globtrotter and then celebrating after a dunk against the Washington Generals. I'd be embarrassed if I were him. Giving three-tenths credit for the ring he'll get this year is generous.
Fuck that. He's playing Lebron James in his prime. The Washington Generals. Are you kidding me? LeBron has had a free trip to the finals for 7 years because of that wimpy conference and he's created his own super teams joining the Heat with Wade and Bosh and then Cleveland with Kyrie and then getting Love. None of that has affected his legacy in the slightest. Why should it affect KD? This notion that it's better to get beat over and over again and fail than ever succeed is dumb. At the end of the day it's about winning and he might go down as the best player in this series if he keeps playing the way he is and that would prove he more than deserved this title. There's never been a finals MVP that didn't deserve that title.
So why didn't KD join the Wizards or Boston then? He had multiple already playoff teams he could have elevated to legit title contender but instead he decides to go to the team that he was up 3-1 on and collapsed because Durant decided to play hero ball and OKC fell apart. Durant lost them that series and then joins them, a 73 win team arguably the 2nd best player in the NBA joining that. Why you would compare that to Lebron joining a team in Miami that was bounced in the first round the prior season. Lebron created his super teams Durant decided to add himself to a super team that already existed so that's a terrible comparison. It will forever tarnish his legacy and is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen in terms of player movement in any major sport. Durant can have his crackerjack box quality ring in the eyes of his peers if that makes him feel better, no matter how many rings he wins the fact that he took the easiest path possible will always hang over him. If you think he has a chance to be the best player in the series khan just make sure you don't forget it's because he took over Harrison fucking Barnes role, not exactly a lot of pressure and an easy path to skyrocketing efficiency.
You can answer this yourself. What is a more guaranteed trip to winning the finals (the only thing that ultimately matters): joining GSW to try to beat LeBron or joining the wizards or Boston in the east to try to beat LeBron and then trying to beat GSW?
BloopOracle wrote:Fuck Kevin Durant that's what I have to say. He has ruined the playoffs for the foreseeable future with his wimpy move and now we have the news that he is open to taking a small paycut to stay with GSW. I will give him credit for 0.3 rings he wins this year I don't care how salty it sounds it's honestly all he deserves
I agree, Bloop. I like Paul Pierce's comment the other day that Durant signing with the Warriors is like the guy who gets beat up by a gang of bullies and then joins the gang rather than standing up to them. It's a highly imperfect analogy, but I still like it. Bottom line is that Durant's decision was, as you characterized it, wimpy. I hate watching him pump his fist or flex after hittting a string of buckets. It's like joining the Harlem Globtrotter and then celebrating after a dunk against the Washington Generals. I'd be embarrassed if I were him. Giving three-tenths credit for the ring he'll get this year is generous.
Fuck that. He's playing Lebron James in his prime. The Washington Generals. Are you kidding me? LeBron has had a free trip to the finals for 7 years because of that wimpy conference and he's created his own super teams joining the Heat with Wade and Bosh and then Cleveland with Kyrie and then getting Love. None of that has affected his legacy in the slightest. Why should it affect KD? This notion that it's better to get beat over and over again and fail than ever succeed is dumb. At the end of the day it's about winning and he might go down as the best player in this series if he keeps playing the way he is and that would prove he more than deserved this title. There's never been a finals MVP that didn't deserve that title.
So why didn't KD join the Wizards or Boston then? He had multiple already playoff teams he could have elevated to legit title contender but instead he decides to go to the team that he was up 3-1 on and collapsed because Durant decided to play hero ball and OKC fell apart. Durant lost them that series and then joins them, a 73 win team arguably the 2nd best player in the NBA joining that. Why you would compare that to Lebron joining a team in Miami that was bounced in the first round the prior season. Lebron created his super teams Durant decided to add himself to a super team that already existed so that's a terrible comparison. It will forever tarnish his legacy and is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen in terms of player movement in any major sport. Durant can have his crackerjack box quality ring in the eyes of his peers if that makes him feel better, no matter how many rings he wins the fact that he took the easiest path possible will always hang over him. If you think he has a chance to be the best player in the series khan just make sure you don't forget it's because he took over Harrison fucking Barnes role, not exactly a lot of pressure and an easy path to skyrocketing efficiency.
Bullshit he only took over Harrison Barnes' role. He came into that team and instantly planted himself as the best player on that team. Going to the East would have been just as damaging with bullshit running away from the Warriors story lines. There was no good way to leave OKC and he was never going to win while there because of the supporting cast. If you lose in every scenario except 1 you pick that 1 and he did. Why is Durant joining the Warriors so much worse than the Celtics and Lakers of the 80's winning titles with 3-4 HOF's on each team. They were just as stacked as this Warriors team so why doesn't that hurt Larry or Magic or Kareem's legacy? Your Miami example is bullshit as well because Miami being a first round exit stopped mattering the second they landed Bosh first. LeBron joined his HoF buddies in Miami for not 1, not 2, not 3,4,5,6. That's just not joining a first round exit team so to write it off as that is just trying to make your argument look better with bullshit. LeBron took the easiest path in Miami and came out a winner. Durant will be the same in 3-4-5 years.
