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bleedspeed177 wrote:The thing is the upcoming draft class might be better than last year at WR and Justin Jefferson was not even the best WR on his LSU team. So lets say the Bengals want him for 5th and a future 1st or even a second I would do it. I would take either Ja'Marr Chase or Devota Smith.

As much as I love Devonta Smith (roll tide!) I doubt he'll be better then Jefferson. Jefferson broke Randy Mosses rookie records! The dude is a pro bowler already. Randy fricken Moss, he broke his records. He already does everything at an elite level. Hands, Route running, YAC even run blocking he's looked good. You don't roll the dice that the next guy will be as good when you have the sure thing.

bleedspeed177 wrote:The thing is the upcoming draft class might be better than last year at WR and Justin Jefferson was not even the best WR on his LSU team. So lets say the Bengals want him for 5th and a future 1st or even a second I would do it. I would take either Ja'Marr Chase or Devota Smith.

Why are you even taking that risk when you have a proven pro-bowler on year 1 of a 5 year rookie deal? Chase and Smith may be that good. Or they may not and you just traded away a rookie contract pro-bowler for no reason. You are just begging to get burned with a deal like that. Good rookie contracts are the best deal in the NFL. Spielman actually needs to be shown the door if he is even considering trading Jefferson for a rookie WR and another pick no matter who it is. Way too many WR's miss to be trading away proven ones.

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:The thing is the upcoming draft class might be better than last year at WR and Justin Jefferson was not even the best WR on his LSU team. So lets say the Bengals want him for 5th and a future 1st or even a second I would do it. I would take either Ja'Marr Chase or Devota Smith.

Why are you even taking that risk when you have a proven pro-bowler on year 1 of a 5 year rookie deal? Chase and Smith may be that good. Or they may not and you just traded away a rookie contract pro-bowler for no reason. You are just begging to get burned with a deal like that. Good rookie contracts are the best deal in the NFL. Spielman actually needs to be shown the door if he is even considering trading Jefferson for a rookie WR and another pick no matter who it is. Way too many WR's miss to be trading away proven ones.

Trading Jefferson is a strange take. I guess we should have traded Randy Moss for a ton of value after his rookie year. Jefferson isn't going anywhere even if Bleed is STILL convinced other guys are better I'll take the sure thing of a rookie who was one of the best WRs in the entire league.

We should just get Treadwell back all he did for Atlanta this year was catch first downs and Touchdowns...on 6 catches. Lol

I hope Chase ends up with the Bengals so he and Burrows can reconnect.

I know we won't trade Justin, but we are going to have to look at all options to rebuild this team. I guess it comes down to if being good enough to make the playoffs is enough for ownership vs going for a championship.

In the end, football is a team game and one player doesn't make a team.

bleedspeed177 wrote:I hope Chase ends up with the Bengals so he and Burrows can reconnect.

I know we won't trade Justin, but we are going to have to look at all options to rebuild this team. I guess it comes down to if being good enough to make the playoffs is enough for ownership vs going for a championship.

In the end, football is a team game and one player doesn't make a team.

This team also isn't 3-13 or whatever. It was like win away from being in the playoffs and that was playing half the season with nobodies at a number of defensive positions some will he filled with healthy players returning.

The reality is that this team has plenty of opportunities to build this team through this next draft. You are always dying to get player X in the 3rd or 4th round. They have 5 total picks in those rounds and the Comp picks are yet to be handed out and they will get at one in that range. They have the draft capital to move up to the 2nd round also. They already fulfilled your dream of trading a valuable player for picks last year when they dealt Diggs and then picked a guy you basically thought was just a depth guy in Jefferson that turned out to be VERY good. Should we be trading Irv Smith too? Who else are we dealing? Might as well trade the young oline guys. When does this plan end? I simply don't get it.

Monster - Think 2 years out.

How do you replace Thelien, Smith, Kendricks, Barr, Harris, Rieff, and others over the next 2 years as all will be 30 or way over? Then you have to address the QB position and Cook might be nearing the end of his best years.

It is a lot of holes to fill. Draft capital is the best way to rebuild a team. I am a fan of what the Browns and Dolphins did. I think we should go that route.

bleedspeed177 wrote:Monster - Think 2 years out.

How do you replace Thelien, Smith, Kendricks, Barr, Harris, Rieff, and others over the next 2 years as all will be 30 or way over? Then you have to address the QB position and Cook might be nearing the end of his best years.

It is a lot of holes to fill. Draft capital is the best way to rebuild a team. I am a fan of what the Browns and Dolphins did. I think we should go that route.

Let me know when those teams are more than your own definition of mediocre.

bleedspeed177 wrote:I hope Chase ends up with the Bengals so he and Burrows can reconnect.

I know we won't trade Justin, but we are going to have to look at all options to rebuild this team. I guess it comes down to if being good enough to make the playoffs is enough for ownership vs going for a championship.

In the end, football is a team game and one player doesn't make a team.

At the end of the day trading Jefferson for someone unproven who will cost more (5th pick in your example costs basically double what Jefferson cost) and hope they can match his production (let alone surpass it) just to pick up an extra pick is just jumping through too many hoops to try to improve the team. That's just not the right spot to try to squeeze out extra value to build the team.

khans2k5 wrote:

At the end of the day trading Jefferson for someone unproven who will cost more (5th pick in your example costs basically double what Jefferson cost) and hope they can match his production (let alone surpass it) just to pick up an extra pick is just jumping through too many hoops to try to improve the team. That's just not the right spot to try to squeeze out extra value to build the team.

You are probably right, but think we would have to look at every option. I don't think Justin Jefferson would bring enough in return to make it worth it. I am one that feels Justin Jefferson's value is a little high right now and he might be one of those good guys on a bad team that we experience with the Wolves. He is not a Randy Moss-type talent that leads his team to 6 game improvement and 15-1 record while scoring the most TD's in the league that is for sure. He seems to be more of an AC or CC type WR that will make his mark via longevity over domination. It really is interesting how much more offensive the league has gotten since 1998.

monsterpile wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Monster - Think 2 years out.

How do you replace Thelien, Smith, Kendricks, Barr, Harris, Rieff, and others over the next 2 years as all will be 30 or way over? Then you have to address the QB position and Cook might be nearing the end of his best years.

It is a lot of holes to fill. Draft capital is the best way to rebuild a team. I am a fan of what the Browns and Dolphins did. I think we should go that route.

Let me know when those teams are more than your own definition of mediocre.

The Dolphins screwed their plan up by drafting Tua and giving themselves a chance to win this year with Fitzmagic. They should have been tanking for Lawerence this year. The trade they did with the Texans was a great move.

The Browns have about as complete a roster as you can get, but they will go only as far as Mayfield can take them.