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TheFuture wrote:

WallyWorld wrote:

TheFuture wrote:I don't think anyone is against the addition of Gobert the player. It could be damn great. But, for that much? We damn well better do something special, because this was an all in trade. Or we just hired a complete dummy who stole 40 mil over 4 years.

How many teams stay in a contention window more then a few years? Outside of having MJ, Tim and crew, or Lebron...whom seemed to make it to finals every year for a decade....this is our window.

One could argue that is why it is short sighted to give away draft picks 6 years out, as the past has taught us, this team WONT be the same in four or so years from now in one way shape or form.

I think the current nucleus could rival any team in the league on any given night. And that's only assuming last year's production with Gobert added. Look out league if Ant goes nuclear. And if Jaden plays like he did before he got injured at the end of the year? And if Gobert compliments EVERY starters game....ok sorry for all the capitalization. My excitement can not be contained...

Enjoy our dominance.
I'm ready to eat a full bowl of crow if that time comes.
Let the brain trust fill out the roster and figure out how to restock the cupboards so we can have sustained success like Bob Myers and the warriors do.

Grab a ticket!
Get on board!
Unless you hate fun...

I do not trust KAT not wanting to play a SF type, barreling into people, then throwing up his arms. I do not trust any PG defender here to not force Gobert being abused on switches, only for KAT or Jaden to try to recover and foul.

Obviously I love if it works out as a Minnesota fan, but if it doesn't, shit we just got set back another decade.

I thought we were almost there, building for another 2 years. Got KAT signed. Let Ant, Jaden, Bolmaro, Kessler, Moore build. Sign JMac and Nowell to a price. Let Beverley, Prince, Vando keep setting the tone, build the culture everyone keeps talking about.

Shit, Ant has to be the man here, and he is barely older than 20. MJ didn't make that work, LeBron did not. Nobody has.

Plus you just pissed off a vet who seemed to like it here decently, who has a loud mouth around the league.

You bring up great points. If you come from the lens that you think this team may not fit well together, this trade was terrible and TC will rival Kahn...

But....if it does work....I'm so sick of building. We have been building for our entire franchise history....it worked only when we had one of the top 30 players in NBA history in KG, and hell we found a way to hamstring those years with c-suite mismanagement....we didn't get to experience the epitome of what Lavine-Wiggins-Towns trio could do, but do you really think that team could swing for the fences?

I didn't like Dlo on last years team
I didn't really see how Towns could make the next step with what's between his ears in addition to how the team was constructed around him.
I like both their fits on this team with Gobert now.
And we didn't have to give up any of the top four talent on our team to get him!

Just the entirety of our future draft picks....

You may be right....but I hope not

WallyWorld wrote:

TheFuture wrote:

WallyWorld wrote:

TheFuture wrote:I don't think anyone is against the addition of Gobert the player. It could be damn great. But, for that much? We damn well better do something special, because this was an all in trade. Or we just hired a complete dummy who stole 40 mil over 4 years.

How many teams stay in a contention window more then a few years? Outside of having MJ, Tim and crew, or Lebron...whom seemed to make it to finals every year for a decade....this is our window.

One could argue that is why it is short sighted to give away draft picks 6 years out, as the past has taught us, this team WONT be the same in four or so years from now in one way shape or form.

I think the current nucleus could rival any team in the league on any given night. And that's only assuming last year's production with Gobert added. Look out league if Ant goes nuclear. And if Jaden plays like he did before he got injured at the end of the year? And if Gobert compliments EVERY starters game....ok sorry for all the capitalization. My excitement can not be contained...

Enjoy our dominance.
I'm ready to eat a full bowl of crow if that time comes.
Let the brain trust fill out the roster and figure out how to restock the cupboards so we can have sustained success like Bob Myers and the warriors do.

Grab a ticket!
Get on board!
Unless you hate fun...

I do not trust KAT not wanting to play a SF type, barreling into people, then throwing up his arms. I do not trust any PG defender here to not force Gobert being abused on switches, only for KAT or Jaden to try to recover and foul.

Obviously I love if it works out as a Minnesota fan, but if it doesn't, shit we just got set back another decade.

I thought we were almost there, building for another 2 years. Got KAT signed. Let Ant, Jaden, Bolmaro, Kessler, Moore build. Sign JMac and Nowell to a price. Let Beverley, Prince, Vando keep setting the tone, build the culture everyone keeps talking about.

Shit, Ant has to be the man here, and he is barely older than 20. MJ didn't make that work, LeBron did not. Nobody has.

Plus you just pissed off a vet who seemed to like it here decently, who has a loud mouth around the league.

You bring up great points. If you come from the lens that you think this team may not fight well together, this trade was terrible and TC will rival Kahn...

But....if it does work....I'm so sick of building. We have been building for our entire franchise history....it worked only when we had one of the top 30 players in NBA history in KG, and hell we found a way to hamstring those years with c-suite mismanagement....we didn't get to experience the epitome of what Lavine-Wiggins-Towns trio could to, but do you really think that team could swing for the fences?

I didn't like Dlo on last years team
I didn't really see how Towns could make the next step with what's between his years in addition to his the team was constructed.
I like both their fits on this team with Gobert.
And we didn't have to give up any of the top four talent on our team.

You may be right....but I hope not

I hope not either, but this will turn terrible if it doesn't work.

I see D'Lo being better offensively with Gobert. Gobert just needs a lob. But I saw Conley do that frequently with a guy in Ohio, but not in Utah.

I give D'LO a ton of credit for where we got in the regular season, and the play-in. Then he was non-existent in the playoffs.

Gobert did what with all the talent in Utah?

People talk about avoiding talent because of Covid and how it will impact KAT. I thought I saw a guy licking a microphone.

Now what?

I called out the Butler trade for being shortsighted, guess what, it was.

In 4 years, KAT isn't worth what we all think. Judging by the landscape of the league's top players, Ant could force out. Then what? We all do the same shit for 5 years, with no viable options of recouping what we spent for Rudy Gobert, who was trying to obviously force out of Utah.

I expected this guy to come build around a team that was too stupid to beat Memphis to get to the next round,, not throw another hailmary to save face that he was not another who duped Glen, now co.

Again, I am with you. I hope I am wrong.

TheFuture wrote:
I hope not either, but this will turn terrible if it doesn't work.

Again, I am with you. I hope I am wrong.

Being Minnesota fans I totally understand your hesitation. This trade has me worrying about it being the next version of the Hershel Walker trade, or the Parise and Sutter signings. I am excited for the season to come, but cannot help thinking about what the cost is going to be in the long run.

This teams long history of miserable play has me chomping at the bit for the season to begin, yet wondering if they just signed us up for another decade plus of misery to come in a couple years.

TheSP wrote:

TheFuture wrote:
I hope not either, but this will turn terrible if it doesn't work.

Again, I am with you. I hope I am wrong.

Being Minnesota fans I totally understand your hesitation. This trade has me worrying about it being the next version of the Hershel Walker trade, or the Parise and Sutter signings. I am excited for the season to come, but cannot help thinking about what the cost is going to be in the long run.

This teams long history of miserable play has me chomping at the bit for the season to begin, yet wondering if they just signed us up for another decade plus of misery to come in a couple years.

Hell, LeBron is obviously aged. Curry will be soon. Klay was obviously not the same. Draymond is old. Harden's game is failing, 76ers screwed up the Embiid era. Nets are dying again. Portland is too fair to sell on Dame. Ja's game is not conducive to winning it all.. Denver can be a problem. Celtics will be for certain. Miami has a tight window. NO can be a problem if one guy cares. Etc.

I just believe we would have been better off pushing the chips in 2-4 years later.

Now we wait again. Hope. When it all is not likely. The team removed its bench and all future firsts for Gobert? Stuck with that contract if it doesn't work? Decide on D-Lo? Stuck with it if the personalities do not work? Sure, they get paid 40 mil per year so they should not care, but they do not care about that line of thinking.That is a winning method?

Run around and convince all ya want, but I do not see it.

Again, I do hope to be proven wrong. Just watched it so many times, on all Minnesota teams.

The Wolves roster is far more balanced and I think superior then Utahs. Utah had some good 3P shooters but their perimeter defenders were horse shit.

Gobert is arguably a top 10 player added to a mostly intact roster that won what 46 games? I could see 60 wins if things fall right.

TheFuture wrote:

TheSP wrote:

TheFuture wrote:
I hope not either, but this will turn terrible if it doesn't work.

Again, I am with you. I hope I am wrong.

Being Minnesota fans I totally understand your hesitation. This trade has me worrying about it being the next version of the Hershel Walker trade, or the Parise and Sutter signings. I am excited for the season to come, but cannot help thinking about what the cost is going to be in the long run.

This teams long history of miserable play has me chomping at the bit for the season to begin, yet wondering if they just signed us up for another decade plus of misery to come in a couple years.

Hell, LeBron is obviously aged. Curry will be soon. Klay was obviously not the same. Draymond is old. Harden's game is failing, 76ers screwed up the Embiid era. Nets are dying again. Portland is too fair to sell on Dame. Ja's game is not conducive to winning it all.. Denver can be a problem. Celtics will be for certain. Miami has a tight window. NO can be a problem if one guy cares. Etc.

I just believe we would have been better off pushing the chips in 2-4 years later.

Now we wait again. Hope. When it all is not likely. The team removed its benchand all future firsts for Gobert? Stuck with that contract if it doesn't work? Decide on D-Lo? Stuck with it if the personalities do not work? Sure, they get paid 40 mil per year so they should not care, but they do not care about that line of thinking.That is a winning method?

Run around and convince all ya want, but I do not see it.

Again, I do hope to be proven wrong. Just watched it so many times, on all Minnesota teams.

I have to quibble with some of your statements above.

- "When it all is not likely". What isn't likely? A title? Hell, this team has advanced past the 1st round ONCE in 30+ years.
- "the team removed its bench". We are returning 8 of our 11 top rotation players from last year and added Gobert. How is that removing the bench?
- "all future firsts" - No, just every other first between now and the next decade. All will be well in the even years :(,
- "stuck with that contract" - Gobert has had 8 consecutive years (2nd season onwards) of extremely consistent and durable play. Now obviously a horrible injury can befall anyone at any given time, but if we fall flat on our face and its not due to injuries, then Gobert is probably the last guy I'll be pointing my finger at. Ant and KAT along with Jaden is still who this team is being built around. Those guys need to carry us to a Conference Finals and beyond eventually.

WolvesFan21 wrote:The Wolves roster is far more balanced and I think superior then Utahs. Utah had some good 3P shooters but their perimeter defenders were horse shit.

Gobert is arguably a top 10 player added to a mostly intact roster that won what 46 games? I could see 60 wins if things fall right.

Agreed.

If Donovan Mitchell is basically a 1-way player that some people have said and some advanced stats suggest (this honestly surprises me) then you could argue that Towns is at worse equal to Mitchell and then you have Edwards. Utah had some other quality players but the Wolves do also. Still the Wolves have 3 legit all-start level players (Everyone assumes Edwards will get there at some point) and that's a pretty good 3 players to have and I don't see those guys having issues playing with each other. The Wolves have 1 more star level player beyond what Utah had and that's pretty significant especially in the playoffs.

The Wolves have a much bigger roster compared to Utah. Other than Gobert and the guys they had as backups to him Joe Ingles was the only bigger player for his position and when he got hurt this year that was a big loss no pun intended. McDaniels is bigger than any player on their roster other than Centers (ok maybe around the same as Juancho who played a few game there last year) and he will be playing SF. Kyle anderson too. Russell is as big or bigger than all of the Utah guards and he is the starting PG. Royce O'Neal plays bigger but he is only 6'4". Basically other than McLaughlin being a small PG the Wolves upsize length at every position compared to Utah. That's not a small difference.