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CoolBreeze44 wrote:If Ben Simmons is gettable, that is the direction I would go. Defense, rebounding, and setting up KAT and Ant. Like Lip says his head has to be right, but I can't think of a more perfect fit than a rejuvenated Ben Simmons.
KG4Ever wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:KG4Ever wrote:Three votes for trading DLO, Bolmaro and three FRPs for DeJounte Murray by Mackie, Judd and Declan. They all pondered whether they could trade DLO, McDaniels and three FRPs for DeJounte and all then said no. I'm pretty much in agreement, 3 FRPs is fine, just don't add McDaniels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1pEwjUptc8
Personally I think that is just way to much. That means the wolves can't trade a 1st for 7 years. I think Murray is better then Dlo but Murray is a borderline all star. He might never make another all star game. He can also leave in 2 years.
Murray is an upgrade but I don't think he puts the wolves in the title picture. If we trade 3 1st round picks I want someone better than Murray
I'd trade 3 Kesslers for Murray. No hesitation. Wolves with their current players will never be in title contention, at least, with Murray they'd have some chance. DLO is not the answer and the Wolves will have a tough time getting out of the first round with DLO as the point guard. He can be exploited in the playoffs by good teams. What is your solution at point guard?
kekgeek1 wrote:KG4Ever wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:KG4Ever wrote:Three votes for trading DLO, Bolmaro and three FRPs for DeJounte Murray by Mackie, Judd and Declan. They all pondered whether they could trade DLO, McDaniels and three FRPs for DeJounte and all then said no. I'm pretty much in agreement, 3 FRPs is fine, just don't add McDaniels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1pEwjUptc8
Personally I think that is just way to much. That means the wolves can't trade a 1st for 7 years. I think Murray is better then Dlo but Murray is a borderline all star. He might never make another all star game. He can also leave in 2 years.
Murray is an upgrade but I don't think he puts the wolves in the title picture. If we trade 3 1st round picks I want someone better than Murray
Also, if the Wolves got Murray this year, I think they could still add a max free agent next year and have an awesome core moving forward, if Lore/A Rod are ok with paying some luxury tax.
I'd trade 3 Kesslers for Murray. No hesitation. Wolves with their current players will never be in title contention, at least, with Murray they'd have some chance. DLO is not the answer and the Wolves will have a tough time getting out of the first round with DLO as the point guard. He can be exploited in the playoffs by good teams. What is your solution at point guard?
It's not the players the wolves would draft at those positions it's the point of the wolves would not be able to trade a 1st round pick for 7 years if they make that trade. Any big name player that comes around the wolves are just automatically out of it because of this trade. Like I would be saying this also if Beasley and 3 FRP for Murray was available also instead of Dlo.
We lose so much roster flexibility going forward to add a player that is a borderline all star. Like Murray is like the 40th best player in the NBA and Murray can just walk in 2 years.
Like I would do Murray for Dlo or Beasley, Kessler, Moore and next year 1st in a heart beat it's the flexibility being unable to trade future 1sts that is the killer for me.
If you sub Dlo for Murray, where do you think the wolves stack up in the West next year? I would say maybe 4th or 5th. Murray is a needle mover but he doesn't put us in legit title contention to lose roster flexibility for 7 years
CoolBreeze44 wrote:If Ben Simmons is gettable, that is the direction I would go. Defense, rebounding, and setting up KAT and Ant. Like Lip says his head has to be right, but I can't think of a more perfect fit than a rejuvenated Ben Simmons.
kekgeek1 wrote:Like I would do Murray for Dlo or Beasley, Kessler, Moore and next year 1st in a heart beat it's the flexibility being unable to trade future 1sts that is the killer for me.
If you sub Dlo for Murray, where do you think the wolves stack up in the West next year? I would say maybe 4th or 5th. Murray is a needle mover but he doesn't put us in legit title contention to lose roster flexibility for 7 years
WildWolf2813 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:If Ben Simmons is gettable, that is the direction I would go. Defense, rebounding, and setting up KAT and Ant. Like Lip says his head has to be right, but I can't think of a more perfect fit than a rejuvenated Ben Simmons.
Red flags and all, the Nets are not swapping Simmons straight up for D'Lo.
Camden wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:Like I would do Murray for Dlo or Beasley, Kessler, Moore and next year 1st in a heart beat it's the flexibility being unable to trade future 1sts that is the killer for me.
If you sub Dlo for Murray, where do you think the wolves stack up in the West next year? I would say maybe 4th or 5th. Murray is a needle mover but he doesn't put us in legit title contention to lose roster flexibility for 7 years
- I'm likely in the minority here, but I would not trade D'Angelo Russell or Malik Beasley plus Walker Kessler, Wendell Moore Jr., and a first-round pick for Dejounte Murray. That might actually be giving up more value than simply trading Russell or Beasley and three future first-round picks because of the variability of each draft class. Rather, I value the known prospects more than the unknown prospects. The decreased flexibility in terms of future picks and protections is secondary to me.
- I'd argue that the Wolves could contend for a top-five seed next season by simply running this team back with calculated tweaks -- ie. adding a veteran big that compliments Karl-Anthony Towns and/or a forward that presents an upgrade over Tauren Prince and Jaden McDaniels. I don't think Minnesota necessarily needs to make a big splash to make that kind of jump.
kekgeek1 wrote:Camden wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:Like I would do Murray for Dlo or Beasley, Kessler, Moore and next year 1st in a heart beat it's the flexibility being unable to trade future 1sts that is the killer for me.
If you sub Dlo for Murray, where do you think the wolves stack up in the West next year? I would say maybe 4th or 5th. Murray is a needle mover but he doesn't put us in legit title contention to lose roster flexibility for 7 years
- I'm likely in the minority here, but I would not trade D'Angelo Russell or Malik Beasley plus Walker Kessler, Wendell Moore Jr., and a first-round pick for Dejounte Murray. That might actually be giving up more value than simply trading Russell or Beasley and three future first-round picks because of the variability of each draft class. Rather, I value the known prospects more than the unknown prospects. The decreased flexibility in terms of future picks and protections is secondary to me.
- I'd argue that the Wolves could contend for a top-five seed next season by simply running this team back with calculated tweaks -- ie. adding a veteran big that compliments Karl-Anthony Towns and/or a forward that presents an upgrade over Tauren Prince and Jaden McDaniels. I don't think Minnesota necessarily needs to make a big splash to make that kind of jump.
I probably went to strong by saying I would do it in a heartbeat. Just me personally though I like the flexibility I have a hard time being cool not being able to trade a 1st round pick until 2029. That is huge to me personally. That is why I would be more cool doing the 2 picks we just had and next year 1st because we don't lose future flexibility. Just personal preference though.
I agree with your 2nd point I think the wolves could be a top 5 seed next year without doing anything besides internal growth. Personally though I don't think Murray puts the wolves in the top 2 for sure in the West. I think Murray is getting overrated here and I hate saying that because I think Murray is an upgrade and damn good. But Dlo gets ripped here because he was an injury replacement for the All Star game but so was Murray. I think Murray is damn good but wouldn't risk that much equity but a non All NBA guy
KG4Ever wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:KG4Ever wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:KG4Ever wrote:Three votes for trading DLO, Bolmaro and three FRPs for DeJounte Murray by Mackie, Judd and Declan. They all pondered whether they could trade DLO, McDaniels and three FRPs for DeJounte and all then said no. I'm pretty much in agreement, 3 FRPs is fine, just don't add McDaniels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1pEwjUptc8
Personally I think that is just way to much. That means the wolves can't trade a 1st for 7 years. I think Murray is better then Dlo but Murray is a borderline all star. He might never make another all star game. He can also leave in 2 years.
Murray is an upgrade but I don't think he puts the wolves in the title picture. If we trade 3 1st round picks I want someone better than Murray
Also, if the Wolves got Murray this year, I think they could still add a max free agent next year and have an awesome core moving forward, if Lore/A Rod are ok with paying some luxury tax.
I'd trade 3 Kesslers for Murray. No hesitation. Wolves with their current players will never be in title contention, at least, with Murray they'd have some chance. DLO is not the answer and the Wolves will have a tough time getting out of the first round with DLO as the point guard. He can be exploited in the playoffs by good teams. What is your solution at point guard?
It's not the players the wolves would draft at those positions it's the point of the wolves would not be able to trade a 1st round pick for 7 years if they make that trade. Any big name player that comes around the wolves are just automatically out of it because of this trade. Like I would be saying this also if Beasley and 3 FRP for Murray was available also instead of Dlo.
We lose so much roster flexibility going forward to add a player that is a borderline all star. Like Murray is like the 40th best player in the NBA and Murray can just walk in 2 years.
Like I would do Murray for Dlo or Beasley, Kessler, Moore and next year 1st in a heart beat it's the flexibility being unable to trade future 1sts that is the killer for me.
If you sub Dlo for Murray, where do you think the wolves stack up in the West next year? I would say maybe 4th or 5th. Murray is a needle mover but he doesn't put us in legit title contention to lose roster flexibility for 7 years
Murray puts the Wolves in the mix for the 3rd seed behind Warriors and Clippers. Without Murray, the Wolves are 7th or 8th seed. Why is Atlanta so eager to consummate a deal on essentially the same terms, Gallo and three FRPs? They are kind of like Wolves with a few good pieces but not enough to be a legit contender. I think they think Murray gives them a chance to take them to next level. Supposedly, Spurs are looking to tank for Wembayana and want to collect assets for a future run. Supposedly, its up to Pop whether to embrace a full rebuild or not.