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Jester1534 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:DLO has one of our 21 assists thus far.
But how many times has he pointed at someone on defense
lipoli390 wrote:There really is some Scottie Pippen in McDaniels.
Q-was-here wrote:60WinTim wrote:It really sucks that our top two players, KAT and Ant, have displayed little to no basketball IQ this season. I don't know how it gets fixed. I suppose having Rudy gives us the option of trading KAT... :-(
KAT was just abused by Sengun whenever he was one on one in the post against him. That should be a good reminder as to why we went out and got Gobert. But overall KAT has had far fewer mental meltdowns and histrionics than we have seen in the past.
As for Ant, I see nothing in his game this year that is an improvement over last year. And that is not a good sign.
Q-was-here wrote:McLaughlin with 11 assists and no turnovers. The guy just keeps getting others buckets while limiting his own mistakes to near zero. He hasn't had a turnover since October 24th.....
Carlos Danger wrote:D-Mac wrote:
The center fit is the bigger problem and the only reason there's even an Ant problem at all is because this trade was an all in bet on Ant before we knew if he was ready. Towns is a much better 5 on the offensive end... that much should be obvious to everyone by now. It should also be obvious that we're not gonna be able to play these two together for any extended stretches against most teams in games that matter. Milwaukee is actually an exception to that as Kat/Rudy match up well against them... and they still pounded us at home without one of their best players. That loss was on Dlo.
This team had one big problem this offseason (our PG sucks)... rather than addressing that, they decided to double down and create another problem. Now we can't fix either :) I said this trade was dumb from the beginning and it's actually looking worse than I even imagined. At least this trade distracted from me being pissed about the Dlo for Wiggins/kuminga (or wagner) trade.
Also, yes... if anyone will give us 2 firsts and a good player for Gobert, you take it and run.
You know....I didn't know what to make of D-Loser when he first started posting. But this son of a bitch is starting to make a lot of sense to me lately.
kekgeek1 wrote:WolvesFan21 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:WolvesFan21 wrote:D-Mac wrote:Jester1534 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:60WinTim wrote:It really sucks that our top two players, KAT and Ant, have displayed little to no basketball IQ this season. I don't know how it gets fixed. I suppose having Rudy gives us the option of trading KAT... :-(
I think this is the best game for the Wolves so far this season. I know that's not saying much, but it is what it is. It's noteworthy that Gobert, not KAT, is out today. I'd consider trading Gobert long before I'd consider trading KAT.
Well at the end of day Kat and Rudy are who they're. The real problem is what type of player Ant is going to become. If he's not what everyone wants him to be then none of this matters.
I'm sorry but it doesn't bold well that he came into the season fat and out of shape. You can't tell me in the first 10 games this year does it look like he worked on or approved anything in his game? You could say defense but I would argue that was always a mindset thing for him.
The center fit is the bigger problem and the only reason there's even an Ant problem at all is because this trade was an all in bet on Ant before we knew if he was ready. Towns is a much better 5 on the offensive end... that much should be obvious to everyone by now. It should also be obvious that we're not gonna be able to play these two together for any extended stretches against most teams in games that matter. Milwaukee is actually an exception to that as Kat/Rudy match up well against them... and they still pounded us at home without one of their best players. That loss was on Dlo.
This team had one big problem this offseason (our PG sucks)... rather than addressing that, they decided to double down and create another problem. Now we can't fix either :) I said this trade was dumb from the beginning and it's actually looking worse than I even imagined. At least this trade distracted from me being pissed about the Dlo for Wiggins/kuminga (or wagner) trade.
Also, yes... if anyone will give us 2 firsts and a good player for Gobert, you take it and run.
Rudy has been the Wolves best player this year. It's taking time for Ant and DLO to figure things out, but I have no doubts that Ant will figure out the pick and roll eventually. When that happens the Wolves will have both a top 10 offense and top 10 defense with Rudy on the floor by the end of the year.
KAT simply cannot play the 5, not successfully for sure. We've got enough data to know that! Teams are going to be in trouble once the twin towers and more importantly the guards get things going with them. However DLO and his 3-15 nights might be on another team at that time, we hope
It's not about the Wolves matching up against other teams, it's about other teams unable to match up against the Wolves. We will beat them down on the glass both offensively and defensively.
The Wolves are currently shooting 33% from 3P on the year. That cold shooting won't last either. The guys who are cold will get it going as well. The Nowells, KATs, Ants, JMacs and maybe even DLO will get going eventually. Hopefully they decide to start sharing the ball more too (we know who is shot jacking too much).
I like the idea of beating opponents down on the glass. But so far the Wolves have out-rebounded their opponent in only 4 of their 10 games this season and one of those was last night without Gobert. Rudy himself leads the League in rebounding so far this season. But his individual rebounding hasn't significantly upgraded the Wolves team rebounding. That's probably because of the rebounds Rudy gets. He rebounds around the basket, pulling down just about anything in the vicinity of the rim. But a lot of those rebounds were balls that KAT, also an excellent rebounder, used to get. Vanderbilt and Beverley would get rebounds further from the basket - what some might call loose balls. KAT doesn't get a lot of those. So the notion that the Wolves become a dominant rebounding team simply by adding Gobert is a bit misplaced. It fails to take into account KAT's rebounds around the rim as well as the loss of Vanderbilt's 8.5 boards per game and Beverley's 4 boards.
Are we a better rebounding team with Gobert? I don't know. But unfortunately, I don't think the Gobert deal itself makes the Wolves significantly better.
The team played harder last year on avg. thus far. It'll take time but KAT, Ant Jaden and others will have to pick up the intensity. Obviously Rudy is the best rebounder in the NBA, but it's also up to the others to be aggressive and go get the ball too. That they can't just expect Rudy to get it every time.
Just look at the size and length of KAT and Jaden, it's simply unacceptable for them not to outboard others at their respective positions. Sure Rudy will lead the team, but if you are KAT and Jaden you damn well better be above avg at the PF and SF positions too.
One of Mcdaniels biggest weaknesses. He is 10th out of 10 of all rotation players in rebounding per 36. A whole rebound less than Jmac gets. McDaniels needs to be better in this area.
WolvesFan21 wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:WolvesFan21 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:WolvesFan21 wrote:D-Mac wrote:Jester1534 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:60WinTim wrote:It really sucks that our top two players, KAT and Ant, have displayed little to no basketball IQ this season. I don't know how it gets fixed. I suppose having Rudy gives us the option of trading KAT... :-(
I think this is the best game for the Wolves so far this season. I know that's not saying much, but it is what it is. It's noteworthy that Gobert, not KAT, is out today. I'd consider trading Gobert long before I'd consider trading KAT.
Well at the end of day Kat and Rudy are who they're. The real problem is what type of player Ant is going to become. If he's not what everyone wants him to be then none of this matters.
I'm sorry but it doesn't bold well that he came into the season fat and out of shape. You can't tell me in the first 10 games this year does it look like he worked on or approved anything in his game? You could say defense but I would argue that was always a mindset thing for him.
The center fit is the bigger problem and the only reason there's even an Ant problem at all is because this trade was an all in bet on Ant before we knew if he was ready. Towns is a much better 5 on the offensive end... that much should be obvious to everyone by now. It should also be obvious that we're not gonna be able to play these two together for any extended stretches against most teams in games that matter. Milwaukee is actually an exception to that as Kat/Rudy match up well against them... and they still pounded us at home without one of their best players. That loss was on Dlo.
This team had one big problem this offseason (our PG sucks)... rather than addressing that, they decided to double down and create another problem. Now we can't fix either :) I said this trade was dumb from the beginning and it's actually looking worse than I even imagined. At least this trade distracted from me being pissed about the Dlo for Wiggins/kuminga (or wagner) trade.
Also, yes... if anyone will give us 2 firsts and a good player for Gobert, you take it and run.
Rudy has been the Wolves best player this year. It's taking time for Ant and DLO to figure things out, but I have no doubts that Ant will figure out the pick and roll eventually. When that happens the Wolves will have both a top 10 offense and top 10 defense with Rudy on the floor by the end of the year.
KAT simply cannot play the 5, not successfully for sure. We've got enough data to know that! Teams are going to be in trouble once the twin towers and more importantly the guards get things going with them. However DLO and his 3-15 nights might be on another team at that time, we hope
It's not about the Wolves matching up against other teams, it's about other teams unable to match up against the Wolves. We will beat them down on the glass both offensively and defensively.
The Wolves are currently shooting 33% from 3P on the year. That cold shooting won't last either. The guys who are cold will get it going as well. The Nowells, KATs, Ants, JMacs and maybe even DLO will get going eventually. Hopefully they decide to start sharing the ball more too (we know who is shot jacking too much).
I like the idea of beating opponents down on the glass. But so far the Wolves have out-rebounded their opponent in only 4 of their 10 games this season and one of those was last night without Gobert. Rudy himself leads the League in rebounding so far this season. But his individual rebounding hasn't significantly upgraded the Wolves team rebounding. That's probably because of the rebounds Rudy gets. He rebounds around the basket, pulling down just about anything in the vicinity of the rim. But a lot of those rebounds were balls that KAT, also an excellent rebounder, used to get. Vanderbilt and Beverley would get rebounds further from the basket - what some might call loose balls. KAT doesn't get a lot of those. So the notion that the Wolves become a dominant rebounding team simply by adding Gobert is a bit misplaced. It fails to take into account KAT's rebounds around the rim as well as the loss of Vanderbilt's 8.5 boards per game and Beverley's 4 boards.
Are we a better rebounding team with Gobert? I don't know. But unfortunately, I don't think the Gobert deal itself makes the Wolves significantly better.
The team played harder last year on avg. thus far. It'll take time but KAT, Ant Jaden and others will have to pick up the intensity. Obviously Rudy is the best rebounder in the NBA, but it's also up to the others to be aggressive and go get the ball too. That they can't just expect Rudy to get it every time.
Just look at the size and length of KAT and Jaden, it's simply unacceptable for them not to outboard others at their respective positions. Sure Rudy will lead the team, but if you are KAT and Jaden you damn well better be above avg at the PF and SF positions too.
One of Mcdaniels biggest weaknesses. He is 10th out of 10 of all rotation players in rebounding per 36. A whole rebound less than Jmac gets. McDaniels needs to be better in this area.
Right which is why I pointed him out. KAT is being in a position he is not as use to, but he can rebound the ball well and he should figure it out. McDaniels simply doesn't have any excuses anymore. It's year 3 and time to start getting some boards. The dude is playing usually against guys 4-6 inches shorter, you simply cannot let them outboard you. That is not acceptable.
lipoli390 wrote:WolvesFan21 wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:WolvesFan21 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:WolvesFan21 wrote:D-Mac wrote:Jester1534 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:60WinTim wrote:It really sucks that our top two players, KAT and Ant, have displayed little to no basketball IQ this season. I don't know how it gets fixed. I suppose having Rudy gives us the option of trading KAT... :-(
I think this is the best game for the Wolves so far this season. I know that's not saying much, but it is what it is. It's noteworthy that Gobert, not KAT, is out today. I'd consider trading Gobert long before I'd consider trading KAT.
Well at the end of day Kat and Rudy are who they're. The real problem is what type of player Ant is going to become. If he's not what everyone wants him to be then none of this matters.
I'm sorry but it doesn't bold well that he came into the season fat and out of shape. You can't tell me in the first 10 games this year does it look like he worked on or approved anything in his game? You could say defense but I would argue that was always a mindset thing for him.
The center fit is the bigger problem and the only reason there's even an Ant problem at all is because this trade was an all in bet on Ant before we knew if he was ready. Towns is a much better 5 on the offensive end... that much should be obvious to everyone by now. It should also be obvious that we're not gonna be able to play these two together for any extended stretches against most teams in games that matter. Milwaukee is actually an exception to that as Kat/Rudy match up well against them... and they still pounded us at home without one of their best players. That loss was on Dlo.
This team had one big problem this offseason (our PG sucks)... rather than addressing that, they decided to double down and create another problem. Now we can't fix either :) I said this trade was dumb from the beginning and it's actually looking worse than I even imagined. At least this trade distracted from me being pissed about the Dlo for Wiggins/kuminga (or wagner) trade.
Also, yes... if anyone will give us 2 firsts and a good player for Gobert, you take it and run.
Rudy has been the Wolves best player this year. It's taking time for Ant and DLO to figure things out, but I have no doubts that Ant will figure out the pick and roll eventually. When that happens the Wolves will have both a top 10 offense and top 10 defense with Rudy on the floor by the end of the year.
KAT simply cannot play the 5, not successfully for sure. We've got enough data to know that! Teams are going to be in trouble once the twin towers and more importantly the guards get things going with them. However DLO and his 3-15 nights might be on another team at that time, we hope
It's not about the Wolves matching up against other teams, it's about other teams unable to match up against the Wolves. We will beat them down on the glass both offensively and defensively.
The Wolves are currently shooting 33% from 3P on the year. That cold shooting won't last either. The guys who are cold will get it going as well. The Nowells, KATs, Ants, JMacs and maybe even DLO will get going eventually. Hopefully they decide to start sharing the ball more too (we know who is shot jacking too much).
I like the idea of beating opponents down on the glass. But so far the Wolves have out-rebounded their opponent in only 4 of their 10 games this season and one of those was last night without Gobert. Rudy himself leads the League in rebounding so far this season. But his individual rebounding hasn't significantly upgraded the Wolves team rebounding. That's probably because of the rebounds Rudy gets. He rebounds around the basket, pulling down just about anything in the vicinity of the rim. But a lot of those rebounds were balls that KAT, also an excellent rebounder, used to get. Vanderbilt and Beverley would get rebounds further from the basket - what some might call loose balls. KAT doesn't get a lot of those. So the notion that the Wolves become a dominant rebounding team simply by adding Gobert is a bit misplaced. It fails to take into account KAT's rebounds around the rim as well as the loss of Vanderbilt's 8.5 boards per game and Beverley's 4 boards.
Are we a better rebounding team with Gobert? I don't know. But unfortunately, I don't think the Gobert deal itself makes the Wolves significantly better.
The team played harder last year on avg. thus far. It'll take time but KAT, Ant Jaden and others will have to pick up the intensity. Obviously Rudy is the best rebounder in the NBA, but it's also up to the others to be aggressive and go get the ball too. That they can't just expect Rudy to get it every time.
Just look at the size and length of KAT and Jaden, it's simply unacceptable for them not to outboard others at their respective positions. Sure Rudy will lead the team, but if you are KAT and Jaden you damn well better be above avg at the PF and SF positions too.
One of Mcdaniels biggest weaknesses. He is 10th out of 10 of all rotation players in rebounding per 36. A whole rebound less than Jmac gets. McDaniels needs to be better in this area.
Right which is why I pointed him out. KAT is being in a position he is not as use to, but he can rebound the ball well and he should figure it out. McDaniels simply doesn't have any excuses anymore. It's year 3 and time to start getting some boards. The dude is playing usually against guys 4-6 inches shorter, you simply cannot let them outboard you. That is not acceptable.
I agree we need more rebounding from McDaniels (and others). But to be fair, it's worth noting that rebounding is about a lot more than length. If length were determinative than Boban would be the League's best rebounder. Many of the best rebounders in NBA history were not among the longest - Dennis Rodman and Charles Barkley for example. Russell Westbrook, DeJounte Murray and Vando are several current examples. Rebounding is a combination of effort, positioning, basketball IQ, instinct, quickness, athleticism, hops and hands. In short, rebounding is a knack that some players have and others don't. Length helps, but it's not at the top of the list of factors that go towards making a good rebounder. For whatever reason, McDaniels may not have that knack. He's still a terrific on-ball defender and has the potential to be a really good offensive players as well. I hope he develops his rebounding, but I'm not counting on it.
kekgeek1 wrote:Just want to remind everyone for how bad this offense has looked at times it has been a whooping 10 pts better this year than at this time last year.
The wolves have been in the 90th percentile on defense this year with Rudy on the floor.
So for how much we like to romanticize last year team it was significantly worse on offense last year 10 games in than this year and if I'm not mistaken the wolves figured it out
WolvesFan21 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:WolvesFan21 wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:WolvesFan21 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:WolvesFan21 wrote:D-Mac wrote:Jester1534 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:60WinTim wrote:It really sucks that our top two players, KAT and Ant, have displayed little to no basketball IQ this season. I don't know how it gets fixed. I suppose having Rudy gives us the option of trading KAT... :-(
I think this is the best game for the Wolves so far this season. I know that's not saying much, but it is what it is. It's noteworthy that Gobert, not KAT, is out today. I'd consider trading Gobert long before I'd consider trading KAT.
Well at the end of day Kat and Rudy are who they're. The real problem is what type of player Ant is going to become. If he's not what everyone wants him to be then none of this matters.
I'm sorry but it doesn't bold well that he came into the season fat and out of shape. You can't tell me in the first 10 games this year does it look like he worked on or approved anything in his game? You could say defense but I would argue that was always a mindset thing for him.
The center fit is the bigger problem and the only reason there's even an Ant problem at all is because this trade was an all in bet on Ant before we knew if he was ready. Towns is a much better 5 on the offensive end... that much should be obvious to everyone by now. It should also be obvious that we're not gonna be able to play these two together for any extended stretches against most teams in games that matter. Milwaukee is actually an exception to that as Kat/Rudy match up well against them... and they still pounded us at home without one of their best players. That loss was on Dlo.
This team had one big problem this offseason (our PG sucks)... rather than addressing that, they decided to double down and create another problem. Now we can't fix either :) I said this trade was dumb from the beginning and it's actually looking worse than I even imagined. At least this trade distracted from me being pissed about the Dlo for Wiggins/kuminga (or wagner) trade.
Also, yes... if anyone will give us 2 firsts and a good player for Gobert, you take it and run.
Rudy has been the Wolves best player this year. It's taking time for Ant and DLO to figure things out, but I have no doubts that Ant will figure out the pick and roll eventually. When that happens the Wolves will have both a top 10 offense and top 10 defense with Rudy on the floor by the end of the year.
KAT simply cannot play the 5, not successfully for sure. We've got enough data to know that! Teams are going to be in trouble once the twin towers and more importantly the guards get things going with them. However DLO and his 3-15 nights might be on another team at that time, we hope
It's not about the Wolves matching up against other teams, it's about other teams unable to match up against the Wolves. We will beat them down on the glass both offensively and defensively.
The Wolves are currently shooting 33% from 3P on the year. That cold shooting won't last either. The guys who are cold will get it going as well. The Nowells, KATs, Ants, JMacs and maybe even DLO will get going eventually. Hopefully they decide to start sharing the ball more too (we know who is shot jacking too much).
I like the idea of beating opponents down on the glass. But so far the Wolves have out-rebounded their opponent in only 4 of their 10 games this season and one of those was last night without Gobert. Rudy himself leads the League in rebounding so far this season. But his individual rebounding hasn't significantly upgraded the Wolves team rebounding. That's probably because of the rebounds Rudy gets. He rebounds around the basket, pulling down just about anything in the vicinity of the rim. But a lot of those rebounds were balls that KAT, also an excellent rebounder, used to get. Vanderbilt and Beverley would get rebounds further from the basket - what some might call loose balls. KAT doesn't get a lot of those. So the notion that the Wolves become a dominant rebounding team simply by adding Gobert is a bit misplaced. It fails to take into account KAT's rebounds around the rim as well as the loss of Vanderbilt's 8.5 boards per game and Beverley's 4 boards.
Are we a better rebounding team with Gobert? I don't know. But unfortunately, I don't think the Gobert deal itself makes the Wolves significantly better.
The team played harder last year on avg. thus far. It'll take time but KAT, Ant Jaden and others will have to pick up the intensity. Obviously Rudy is the best rebounder in the NBA, but it's also up to the others to be aggressive and go get the ball too. That they can't just expect Rudy to get it every time.
Just look at the size and length of KAT and Jaden, it's simply unacceptable for them not to outboard others at their respective positions. Sure Rudy will lead the team, but if you are KAT and Jaden you damn well better be above avg at the PF and SF positions too.
One of Mcdaniels biggest weaknesses. He is 10th out of 10 of all rotation players in rebounding per 36. A whole rebound less than Jmac gets. McDaniels needs to be better in this area.
Right which is why I pointed him out. KAT is being in a position he is not as use to, but he can rebound the ball well and he should figure it out. McDaniels simply doesn't have any excuses anymore. It's year 3 and time to start getting some boards. The dude is playing usually against guys 4-6 inches shorter, you simply cannot let them outboard you. That is not acceptable.
I agree we need more rebounding from McDaniels (and others). But to be fair, it's worth noting that rebounding is about a lot more than length. If length were determinative than Boban would be the League's best rebounder. Many of the best rebounders in NBA history were not among the longest - Dennis Rodman and Charles Barkley for example. Russell Westbrook, DeJounte Murray and Vando are several current examples. Rebounding is a combination of effort, positioning, basketball IQ, instinct, quickness, athleticism, hops and hands. In short, rebounding is a knack that some players have and others don't. Length helps, but it's not at the top of the list of factors that go towards making a good rebounder. For whatever reason, McDaniels may not have that knack. He's still a terrific on-ball defender and has the potential to be a really good offensive players as well. I hope he develops his rebounding, but I'm not counting on it.
Effort is probably number one. McDaniels for sure has the length and athleticism. Reminds me of Wiggins who, finally after a talking to from a teammate or two realized he could rebound. Then went out and did it.
McDaniels can rebound, but he simply doesn't have the desire our enough desire to get it done (yet).