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Re: How to fix the NBA

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:18 pm
by bleedspeed
crazy-canuck wrote:Make dunks worth 3


I like that.

Re: How to fix the NBA

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:23 pm
by Monster
thedoper wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
thedoper wrote:I think the solution is fairly simple. Work on the premise that you can sign your draft guys for as much as you want tax free, and hard cap all other acquisitions via free agency or trade. There could be different mathematical formulas for achieving this, but this would ultimately be the way to give the original team the leg up that they deserve. That being said, I don't think you could get the players or the bigger market owners on board with this. Parity isn't nearly as important as franchise value and revenue to all of the parties involved.


I'm not knocking your plan this quote stuck out to me. "but this would ultimately be the way to give the original team the leg up that they deserve." Do some of the teams looking to keep their players "deserve" to keep them? If your team drafted a guy then sucks at building a team do the deserve to keep them? OKC traded away a future MVP because they in their opinion weren't going to be able to afford him. They did still deserve to keep Durant tho. Still how many other teams that had good players leave deserve to keep their guys? Money didn't seem to be what made Leonard leave...or want to stay.

There are a bunch of interesting ideas in this thread and yours I actually like the basic premise of. The thing is I think it's quite complicated and quite frankly I am not sure where the league is headed and what exactly needs to be fixed in terms of player movement. It goes both ways the Clippers and Raptors traded away guys that wanted to be there for life and signed lucrative deals.

The thing that gets old although somewhat entertaining on and of itself is basically being forced to consider a player's salary nearly every minute of their NBA existence. Gorgui Dieng is a good human being and actually a decent basketball player. If he was making even 7 million a year he would not be disliked as much...and likely would have been dealt in some deal at some point. Instead he is making way too much money and even though he actually does something very worthwhile with it he is not a guy people like having on the team. It's a shame and it's been that way for 10-15 years. It takes away from the enjoyment of the game as a fan IMO. I don't think that aspect or the player movement is gonna change soon.


Deserve may have just been a bad choice of words, maybe it is the leg up they need for their own survival and success. In the interest of the time and investment in player development, it would be nice to teams receive compensation for their time and commitment to a player they drafted. An extreme amount of money seems like the ideal way to address it, but there could be other mechanisms. The NHL addresses this idea in restricted free agency by assigning automatic compensation (draft picks, etc) for signing an RFA.


Good reply. The draft compensation in other sports is always interesting to me. One of the reasons why I think it helps in all those sports is there is a legit way to develop players beyond your basic roster construction. The NFL has a pretty big roster and they expanded the practice squad a couple years ago. NHL and MLB have minor leagues. The G-league with the 2 way players has taken a step towards that but I think it will eventually be an even more legit minor league and you wonder if it could lead to a larger draft even by one round. I think the G-league being a legit minor league could help with competitive balance and will make the league even better as talent can be fostered. I wonder if maybe the teams with a poorer record could have more money to sign guys to G-league deals and it would be subsidized a bit by the league. People have complained and rightly so about the Yankees having all the money and winning BUT let's be honest they have continued to have he farm system with talent to put good players on their own roster AND make deals. There are always gonna be some franchises that are better than others.

Re: How to fix the NBA

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:38 pm
by mjs34
Maybe if they did away with the superstar calls, they might manage to put a few of these guys in their place. Until they actually started giving a shit about fair competition, I don't see much of anything making a difference. They also need to eliminate the late season buyouts, or come up with a way for teams to bid on those FA's rather than letting them flock to the top teams. Basically make a title worth something again.

Re: How to fix the NBA

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:09 pm
by kekgeek
sjm34 wrote:Maybe if they did away with the superstar calls, they might manage to put a few of these guys in their place. Until they actually started giving a shit about fair competition, I don't see much of anything making a difference. They also need to eliminate the late season buyouts, or come up with a way for teams to bid on those FA's rather than letting them flock to the top teams. Basically make a title worth something again.


The players hit waivers. Teams can add them if they want

Re: How to fix the NBA

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:39 pm
by mjs34
kekgeek1 wrote:
sjm34 wrote:Maybe if they did away with the superstar calls, they might manage to put a few of these guys in their place. Until they actually started giving a shit about fair competition, I don't see much of anything making a difference. They also need to eliminate the late season buyouts, or come up with a way for teams to bid on those FA's rather than letting them flock to the top teams. Basically make a title worth something again.


The players hit waivers. Teams can add them if they want


Maybe I am wrong, but I believe you have to pick up the current salary for the player if you claim them. I don't think any team in the league has the cap space to do that, which is why it makes it unfair. I would prefer that they only have the option of the waiver wire, or sit out until the following season.

Re: How to fix the NBA

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 2:29 pm
by Wolvesfan21
I think having another option instead of just trading or buying out a player is to sell the contract to another team. I got the idea watching some soccer, this is I think how either all or most transactions work. If you want another teams player they essentially offer the team what that player is worth to them and then the teams can agree. Their prior contract then accounts based on what the other team offers and is paid by the previous team.

For instance if Wiggins is making 25 millions per year (for easiness) any other team can off to buy out that contract and get the player. Say they think he is worth 10 million per year the Wolves can agree to that deal and get 10 million off the books and move Wigggins. It makes sense.