CoolBreeze44 wrote:I have no idea if Ryan will ultimately prove to be a good NBA coach. But what i don't understand is how some could have so much patience with Thibs, and then so little with what Ryan is doing. Ryan will be the Wolves coach through at least the end of next season. That's just a fact. Can we not rush to judgment before this plays out a little?
I don't think anyone's banging their fists on the table screaming to fire Saunders. I'm certainly not doing that and I've probably been the most critical of his hiring. What we can and are doing is discussing how he does his job -- the same way we break down the players and how they've performed to this point of the season. If you have an issue with that, I'm not sure what to tell you.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I have no idea if Ryan will ultimately prove to be a good NBA coach. But what i don't understand is how some could have so much patience with Thibs, and then so little with what Ryan is doing. Ryan will be the Wolves coach through at least the end of next season. That's just a fact. Can we not rush to judgment before this plays out a little?
I don't think anyone's banging their fists on the table screaming to fire Saunders. I'm certainly not doing that and I've probably been the most critical of his hiring. What we can and are doing is discussing how he does his job -- the same way we break down the players and how they've performed to this point of the season. If you have an issue with that, I'm not sure what to tell you.
There is a difference between discussing how he does, and nitpicking. And this is especially true of you with how sensitive you were to every negative thing said about Thibs. Can you not see the double standard?
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I have no idea if Ryan will ultimately prove to be a good NBA coach. But what i don't understand is how some could have so much patience with Thibs, and then so little with what Ryan is doing. Ryan will be the Wolves coach through at least the end of next season. That's just a fact. Can we not rush to judgment before this plays out a little?
I don't think anyone's banging their fists on the table screaming to fire Saunders. I'm certainly not doing that and I've probably been the most critical of his hiring. What we can and are doing is discussing how he does his job -- the same way we break down the players and how they've performed to this point of the season. If you have an issue with that, I'm not sure what to tell you.
There is a difference between discussing how he does, and nitpicking. And this is especially true of you with how sensitive you were to every negative thing said about Thibs. Can you not see the double standard?
Just my opinion, it is frustrating that even how shitty Thibs offense looked it was effective. Wolves are 4 pts per 100 possessions worse this year than Thibs worst year. Wolves are the 20th best offense in the NBA this year. Now that might change now that Teague is fully healthy and when Layman and Napier comes back.
I just think the double standard goes both ways, people nitpicked Thibs to death, but we can't nitpick Saunders because he is a new head coach and young. I honestly believe it goes both ways.
But I think we both can agree on this, is that we both think Saunders has the potential to be a damn good head coach in this league and we both hope that Ryan is so good that I never have to type Thibs again. (sorry if Im coming off as an ass Im not trying to just a tad fired up today).
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I have no idea if Ryan will ultimately prove to be a good NBA coach. But what i don't understand is how some could have so much patience with Thibs, and then so little with what Ryan is doing. Ryan will be the Wolves coach through at least the end of next season. That's just a fact. Can we not rush to judgment before this plays out a little?
I don't think anyone's banging their fists on the table screaming to fire Saunders. I'm certainly not doing that and I've probably been the most critical of his hiring. What we can and are doing is discussing how he does his job -- the same way we break down the players and how they've performed to this point of the season. If you have an issue with that, I'm not sure what to tell you.
There is a difference between discussing how he does, and nitpicking. And this is especially true of you with how sensitive you were to every negative thing said about Thibs. Can you not see the double standard?
There is no double standard. You're living in a fairytale land if you think people are criticizing Saunders anywhere near as much as they were Thibodeau. I mean, the guy at one point had the team third in the conference and there were posters here bitching and complaining about his sideline antics or how the offense wasn't pretty enough for their liking -- meanwhile it was top-10 in the league despite all of that. That was embarrassing to witness as a basketball fan.
And yet I'm supposedly rushing to judgement by making valid observations about the team that are in no way calling for the head coach's job? Sounds like a reach, Cool. Try again.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I have no idea if Ryan will ultimately prove to be a good NBA coach. But what i don't understand is how some could have so much patience with Thibs, and then so little with what Ryan is doing. Ryan will be the Wolves coach through at least the end of next season. That's just a fact. Can we not rush to judgment before this plays out a little?
I don't think anyone's banging their fists on the table screaming to fire Saunders. I'm certainly not doing that and I've probably been the most critical of his hiring. What we can and are doing is discussing how he does his job -- the same way we break down the players and how they've performed to this point of the season. If you have an issue with that, I'm not sure what to tell you.
There is a difference between discussing how he does, and nitpicking. And this is especially true of you with how sensitive you were to every negative thing said about Thibs. Can you not see the double standard?
There is no double standard. You're living in a fairytale land if you think people are criticizing Saunders anywhere near as much as they were Thibodeau. I mean, the guy at one point had the team third in the conference and there were posters here bitching and complaining about his sideline antics or how the offense wasn't pretty enough for their liking -- meanwhile it was top-10 in the league despite all of that. That was embarrassing to witness as a basketball fan.
And yet I'm supposedly rushing to judgement by making valid observations about the team that are in no way calling for the head coach's job? Sounds like a reach, Cool. Try again.
All right, you're going to be a jackass again. I won't try again, I'll just go back to ignoring your posts like i did for a year. I've tried to be civil, it just doesn't work.
The anti-Thibs sentiment on this board was insane for a spell. LST was a one-man Thibs-wrecking crew for chrissakes. Pages of text every day.
Saunders hasn't faced anything close to that level of scrutiny. Obviously. Nor should he yet. The expectations are entirely different. And he's sort of the anti-Thibs in how non-threatening he is and how he's able to blend into the background most of the time.
PLUS... he's not the guy calling the shots as GM. Thibs could never pass the buck on that one -- and it's the best excuse for anything with Saunders right now.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I have no idea if Ryan will ultimately prove to be a good NBA coach. But what i don't understand is how some could have so much patience with Thibs, and then so little with what Ryan is doing. Ryan will be the Wolves coach through at least the end of next season. That's just a fact. Can we not rush to judgment before this plays out a little?
I don't think anyone's banging their fists on the table screaming to fire Saunders. I'm certainly not doing that and I've probably been the most critical of his hiring. What we can and are doing is discussing how he does his job -- the same way we break down the players and how they've performed to this point of the season. If you have an issue with that, I'm not sure what to tell you.
There is a difference between discussing how he does, and nitpicking. And this is especially true of you with how sensitive you were to every negative thing said about Thibs. Can you not see the double standard?
There is no double standard. You're living in a fairytale land if you think people are criticizing Saunders anywhere near as much as they were Thibodeau. I mean, the guy at one point had the team third in the conference and there were posters here bitching and complaining about his sideline antics or how the offense wasn't pretty enough for their liking -- meanwhile it was top-10 in the league despite all of that. That was embarrassing to witness as a basketball fan.
And yet I'm supposedly rushing to judgement by making valid observations about the team that are in no way calling for the head coach's job? Sounds like a reach, Cool. Try again.
All right, you're going to be a jackass again. I won't try again, I'll just go back to ignoring your posts like i did for a year. I've tried to be civil, it just doesn't work.
You instigate and then play the victim card too much for my liking. It's really not a good look. And thank you for the announcement, but there are far more sensible posters here to go back-and-forth with than the Phil Jackson of girl's youth basketball. Give me a break.
I think part of the reason Thibs was under scrutiny so much was because he had both roles. It was always a bad idea to have the person with the critical eye on talent also be the person trying to get the most out of that talent. It was impossible for Thibs to see his weaknesses, and therefore it was tough to trust his process when he seemed like such a dick as well. I think Thibs would have done really well in just one of the roles. I was always hoping he would move upstairs and give the reigns to Ryan to begin with. It never made sense to have a person in both roles and was a desperate move by Taylor.
Thibs wasn't an abject failure, but the Jimmy saga at the beginning of last year was close to an all time low for the franchise in terms of dysfunction. That rested on both coach Thibs and pobo Thibs. The criticism before that was a bit over the top. But perhaps those critics of Thibs saw the disaster coming. I was more on Cam's side where from a pure basketball perspective, the chances for success were there and I hoped that team could rally. I am also sympathetic to the idea that the players should buck up and be more professional and not need the positive reinforcement approach in every aspect of life. But my wealth of experience with this younger generation has me convinced that they require a softer, more positive approach, to get the most out of their delicate egos. Ryan has got that down pat. Overall, he has exceeded my expectations this year, both in his poise and in the product he has implemented on the court. So far so good.
With Thibs, Butler, KAT and Wiggins things were much worse behind the scenes then we knew at the time, which we later found out. I think that some of us, could tell even body language wise, how they would celebrate together, interact together, there was not a cohesiveness of a team. Even being 3rd in the standing for a bit, things weren't exactly working well.
Thibs and Butler both have huge personalities, both can and do rub probably most people the wrong way. KAT and wiggins were not playing their best under Thibs and with Butler. So despite the combined talent, things were not working. Butler was due a large raise pushing the Wolves over the Cap, was Taylor going to pay LUX tax? I don't think so. With Taylors history of cheapness and the lack of success despite the talent on the team it was time to retool.
I read several posts from people who said that it was the least fun winning record or season they had. I'm not the only one who saw things were not moving on a path to championship contention with that group. So firing Thibs was the best move despite the team making the playoffs. (to be fair they barely snuck in).
