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Tactical unit wrote:Easy to complain about a lot in this game, biggest issue for me is once again a wing player put in pick action or ISO against MN and they go off. We learned that Vonleh & KAT on the court seemed to be a failure, K. Martin isn't instant offense......at least not yet (more streaky thus far). KBD played really well, is he better than Layman?

I don't think that's the right question to ask. Is he better than Graham? I think with his length and more natural scoring/shooting ability, he certainly could be.

Camden0916 wrote:

Tactical unit wrote:Easy to complain about a lot in this game, biggest issue for me is once again a wing player put in pick action or ISO against MN and they go off. We learned that Vonleh & KAT on the court seemed to be a failure, K. Martin isn't instant offense......at least not yet (more streaky thus far). KBD played really well, is he better than Layman?

I don't think that's the right question to ask. Is he better than Graham? I think with his length and more natural scoring/shooting ability, he certainly could be.

Yeah the system isnt plug and play if you cant shoot. KBD looked like a pro tonight. Id take him and nowell if it matters. We need a legit back up PG too. Shabazz would have been helpful tonight.

Teams have figured us out.

Kat was getting a hard double most of the night. As soon as it went into the post, the suns sent someone at him.

Wiggs was meeting 2 or 3 suns player everytime he attacked the rim. I think dieng also ran into him a couple of times in the paint.

Suns basically copied what the jazz did defensively the game before.

So either kat and wiggs need to shoot lights out or we are going to lose most games.

crazy-canuck wrote:Teams have figured us out.

Kat was getting a hard double most of the night. As soon as it went into the post, the suns sent someone at him.

Wiggs was meeting 2 or 3 suns player everytime he attacked the rim. I think dieng also ran into him a couple of times in the paint.

Suns basically copied what the jazz did defensively the game before.

So either kat and wiggs need to shoot lights out or we are going to lose most games.

I don't think he was doubled much. We just didn't get Kat the ball. He had position on post up but we didn't get him the ball.

Camden wrote:

Tactical unit wrote:Easy to complain about a lot in this game, biggest issue for me is once again a wing player put in pick action or ISO against MN and they go off. We learned that Vonleh & KAT on the court seemed to be a failure, K. Martin isn't instant offense......at least not yet (more streaky thus far). KBD played really well, is he better than Layman?

I don't think that's the right question to ask. Is he better than Graham? I think with his length and more natural scoring/shooting ability, he certainly could be.

I actually think KBD does alot of what Layman does but might rebound better they should both be regulars from what I have seen on the year. Graham is strictly defense and hustle from what I have seen and I just think he's a solid defender not a great one. I actually think he gets to much credit for his defense.

kekgeek1 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Teams have figured us out.

Kat was getting a hard double most of the night. As soon as it went into the post, the suns sent someone at him.

Wiggs was meeting 2 or 3 suns player everytime he attacked the rim. I think dieng also ran into him a couple of times in the paint.

Suns basically copied what the jazz did defensively the game before.

So either kat and wiggs need to shoot lights out or we are going to lose most games.

I don't think he was doubled much. We just didn't get Kat the ball. He had position on post up but we didn't get him the ball.

Dunno, i thought kat saw alot of suns jerseys unless he was out at the 3 pt line.

Maybe its because we had no spacing, but there were multiple suns players just waiting under the rim.

crazy-canuck wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Teams have figured us out.

Kat was getting a hard double most of the night. As soon as it went into the post, the suns sent someone at him.

Wiggs was meeting 2 or 3 suns player everytime he attacked the rim. I think dieng also ran into him a couple of times in the paint.

Suns basically copied what the jazz did defensively the game before.

So either kat and wiggs need to shoot lights out or we are going to lose most games.

I don't think he was doubled much. We just didn't get Kat the ball. He had position on post up but we didn't get him the ball.

Dunno, i thought kat saw alot of suns jerseys unless he was out at the 3 pt line.

I think our spacing was trash. But I don't think they doubled much. Just terrible spacing and lack of touches in the post

Lots of bad play to go around. Bad shooting from most including FT's. No calls from the refs most of the game on obvious fouls. Bad spacing. Teague has been utter trash these last few games. I can't believe no one mentioned this more.

I think some of the 3 point shots are too forced as well. Not every 3 is a good 3. Like when Vonleh was defended in the corner but he tried it anyways. I can't remember how much time was on the clock but I think it was enough to move the ball still and find an open look.

And Ryan, use your challenge call every game!!! Did I miss when he used it or what? I don't get it.

WolvesFan21 wrote:And Ryan, use your challenge call every game!!! Did I miss when he used it or what? I don't get it.

I think he should have used it in the jazz game and this one for some really sketchy fouls on wiggs.

The refs must think that wiggs is some big white european rookie because he's been targeted the last few games from the officiating crews.

Ryan refused to stand up for his players by not challenging. Maybe he was saving them, but then ended up not using them.