Minnesota Sports Forum

lipoli390 wrote:
I like your thinking, Monster. I like Udoh coming out of college. He was a shot-blocker in college and was also a good passer. He's the kind of player to consider signing for the right price if we can't sign Millsap or Ibaka.

I think he would be a good 3M or less type guy off the bench. Already 30, but I honestly think a bench full of high IQ ballers that might not be great at anything, but play mistake free as a unit could work. Tyus/Belly/Dieng fit that type of players to a T. I think Dunn could if he was not asked to do more than he can handle.

Q12543 wrote:Cool, Horford was Boston's 2nd best player on a 50+ win team that went to the ECF. Who besides IT had a bigger impact on the C's this season than Horford? He also is pretty much the only full-time big man on the roster, so he's having to anchor the middle against both big and small ball lineups with minimal help from other bigs. He got a massive pay day that perhaps over-valued him to a degree, but he has been a key part of their success this season.

As for the Wolves, if Horford would have been the equivalent to anything less than the 2nd best player, we would have easily been a playoff team. Once Wiggins and KAT learn how to play defense and make other players better, perhaps this point will actually be debatable.

He's good, I agree with that. However I'm sure he can't be a #2 on championship team. He might not be a number 3 on a championship team. Is he better than Love? Is he better than Draymond? He's a good player who is paid like a great player.

I agree with Abe's point about using your dollars when it doesn't impact your future. It would be nice if we could get one of these top free agents to accept a 2-3 year deal. But I don't see that happening.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Cool, Horford was Boston's 2nd best player on a 50+ win team that went to the ECF. Who besides IT had a bigger impact on the C's this season than Horford? He also is pretty much the only full-time big man on the roster, so he's having to anchor the middle against both big and small ball lineups with minimal help from other bigs. He got a massive pay day that perhaps over-valued him to a degree, but he has been a key part of their success this season.

As for the Wolves, if Horford would have been the equivalent to anything less than the 2nd best player, we would have easily been a playoff team. Once Wiggins and KAT learn how to play defense and make other players better, perhaps this point will actually be debatable.

He's good, I agree with that. However I'm sure he can't be a #2 on championship team. He might not be a number 3 on a championship team. Is he better than Love? Is he better than Draymond? He's a good player who is paid like a great player.

I agree with Abe's point about using your dollars when it doesn't impact your future. It would be nice if we could get one of these top free agents to accept a 2-3 year deal. But I don't see that happening.

Horford might be better than Kevin Love... depending what a team is looking for.

Love was unplayable for vast stretches of the NBA Finals. Horford is much more versatile defensively and simply better on that end. So he can play in all sorts of matchups and can make an impact whether he's hitting shots or not.

Draymond Green is THE best defender in the league and every team would be lucky to have him... even with his antics.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Cool, Horford was Boston's 2nd best player on a 50+ win team that went to the ECF. Who besides IT had a bigger impact on the C's this season than Horford? He also is pretty much the only full-time big man on the roster, so he's having to anchor the middle against both big and small ball lineups with minimal help from other bigs. He got a massive pay day that perhaps over-valued him to a degree, but he has been a key part of their success this season.

As for the Wolves, if Horford would have been the equivalent to anything less than the 2nd best player, we would have easily been a playoff team. Once Wiggins and KAT learn how to play defense and make other players better, perhaps this point will actually be debatable.

He's good, I agree with that. However I'm sure he can't be a #2 on championship team. He might not be a number 3 on a championship team. Is he better than Love? Is he better than Draymond? He's a good player who is paid like a great player.

I agree with Abe's point about using your dollars when it doesn't impact your future. It would be nice if we could get one of these top free agents to accept a 2-3 year deal. But I don't see that happening.

Horford might be better than Kevin Love... depending what a team is looking for.

Love was unplayable for vast stretches of the NBA Finals. Horford is much more versatile defensively and simply better on that end. So he can play in all sorts of matchups and can make an impact whether he's hitting shots or not.

Draymond Green is THE best defender in the league and every team would be lucky to have him... even with his antics.

Love would be approximately a 25/13 man on the Celtics. Horford better be all world defensively to end up giving you more than that.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Cool, Horford was Boston's 2nd best player on a 50+ win team that went to the ECF. Who besides IT had a bigger impact on the C's this season than Horford? He also is pretty much the only full-time big man on the roster, so he's having to anchor the middle against both big and small ball lineups with minimal help from other bigs. He got a massive pay day that perhaps over-valued him to a degree, but he has been a key part of their success this season.

As for the Wolves, if Horford would have been the equivalent to anything less than the 2nd best player, we would have easily been a playoff team. Once Wiggins and KAT learn how to play defense and make other players better, perhaps this point will actually be debatable.

He's good, I agree with that. However I'm sure he can't be a #2 on championship team. He might not be a number 3 on a championship team. Is he better than Love? Is he better than Draymond? He's a good player who is paid like a great player.

I agree with Abe's point about using your dollars when it doesn't impact your future. It would be nice if we could get one of these top free agents to accept a 2-3 year deal. But I don't see that happening.

Well then we should just keep signing D level free agents and flirt with the 8 seed but ultimately miss the playoffs because we won't pay for the help KAT and Towns need to get us to the playoffs in the early stage of their careers. That definitely seems like a better plan that getting a guy who will get you into the playoffs and then deal with the salary cap when you actually have to in two years. Boston went from a team who couldn't get out of the early rounds to the top seed in the conference and an ECF appearance largely because they added Al to be their second best player. I don't know how to fault a guy and a team for losing to Lebron in the ECF when Lebron's been to the last 7 finals in a row. With your attitude why should anyone in the East fucking bother team building any more if it only gets you an immediate ECF appearance and you lose to the guy everyone has lost to for 7 straight years?

If golden state doesn't think twice about upgrading an already explosive team with a top three player than how do we not justify upgrading ours with a top 25 talent regardless of price? Is it any coincidence those teams are always in the mix and teams like the Wolves in basketball and Twins in baseball toil away in obscurity? I don't think so.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Cool, Horford was Boston's 2nd best player on a 50+ win team that went to the ECF. Who besides IT had a bigger impact on the C's this season than Horford? He also is pretty much the only full-time big man on the roster, so he's having to anchor the middle against both big and small ball lineups with minimal help from other bigs. He got a massive pay day that perhaps over-valued him to a degree, but he has been a key part of their success this season.

As for the Wolves, if Horford would have been the equivalent to anything less than the 2nd best player, we would have easily been a playoff team. Once Wiggins and KAT learn how to play defense and make other players better, perhaps this point will actually be debatable.

He's good, I agree with that. However I'm sure he can't be a #2 on championship team. He might not be a number 3 on a championship team. Is he better than Love? Is he better than Draymond? He's a good player who is paid like a great player.

I agree with Abe's point about using your dollars when it doesn't impact your future. It would be nice if we could get one of these top free agents to accept a 2-3 year deal. But I don't see that happening.

Horford might be better than Kevin Love... depending what a team is looking for.

Love was unplayable for vast stretches of the NBA Finals. Horford is much more versatile defensively and simply better on that end. So he can play in all sorts of matchups and can make an impact whether he's hitting shots or not.

Draymond Green is THE best defender in the league and every team would be lucky to have him... even with his antics.

Love would be approximately a 25/13 man on the Celtics. Horford better be all world defensively to end up giving you more than that.

That's pure speculation.

Love reached that level twice in MN... with Pekovic as the #2 scorer... and Luke Ridnour as the #3 scorer. Boston has a high-volume (and highly efficient) Isaiah Thomas running things. Does Love mean Boston simply scores 10 more points per game? Or does he take from somebody else? Who? Why?

For the record, Boston was the 8th highest rated offense this season.

Lets look back at what the Wolves did last summer or what seems to be pretty reliably reported that they did.

Offered Gasol a deal for around 19 million per for 2 seasons

Were interested in Deng but obvious got nowhere near signing him when the Lakers offered him 4 years and plenty of money per as well.

They signed some guys that had been rotation players in this league and to not alot of money and Aldrich has the longest contract that can be over after this season.

So do Thibs and Layden feel a bit more urgency for this season to add FAs? probably. How much more than last year? IDK If they can't get a guy they really want they are likely going to look for guys they can sign to short term deals possibly for bigger money on those short term deals. Thibs and Layden aren't dumb they are sitting here like many fans thinking "Man we knew not giving Deng that money for that many years at the time was smart but...its looking right now we really dodged a bullet." They are probably also thinking "Man if Pau would have come here we probably make the playoffs and are in a better position and still have some flexibility." These guys have seen the good and bad of the FA market not only this last season but for like 30 years in the league. Things change quickly and yet there are also some things that are things that hold true as time goes by. Each team each offseason has a different situation.

PorkChop wrote:If golden state doesn't think twice about upgrading an already explosive team with a top three player than how do we not justify upgrading ours with a top 25 talent regardless of price? Is it any coincidence those teams are always in the mix and teams like the Wolves in basketball and Twins in baseball toil away in obscurity? I don't think so.

Maybe but its a little different for GS to add a 27 year old MVP type player in Durant while we are bickering about adding all-star level players like Horford and Millsap and Ibaka who are more like 30 or more. When they made moves to add Iggy might be a little closer to the Wolves current situation but GS was much more of a finished product than the wolves are now.

I think the general principal is always going to be get the best talent when you have a chance. Any free agent we will likely have to overpay for. If we get a lower tier free agent now we will still be up at the cap once towns and Wiggins extend, then we will have no money with lesser talent. We should spend the money now before it's gone. What are we saving the money for is the real question? Is there a free agent next year who is a better fit than Ibaka or Milsap?