Big O wrote:We are 5-5 in last 10. OKC has been 8-2 and is now 0.5 games behind. With our pending loss tomorrow they will move into 4th.
Got to remember that they just lost a key starter. We hold the tie breaker over them. We've played the 8th hardest schedule to date compared to there 18th hardest schedule.
They still will have to be messed with but everyone needs to relax.
thedoper wrote:Have to add Cam, Bazemore would be a sweet 3 wing. I'm sold. Make it happen.
I would be aggressive in my pursuit of him if I were Thibs/Layden. One domino has already fallen with the Griffin trade. It won't be long before other deals pop off.
Still in the boat only if you can get him for gorgui and a 2nd I don't do it (I don't think that trade is realistic.) We are in cap hell in 2 years what is going to make it hard to sign guys like tyus and belly already (not saying they are super worth it) but we need to add cheap young talent or one of our core will have to go at sometime (I know you would pick wiggins).
I like Bazemore a lot but he dosen't get us into the top 2 in the west so it is not worth more cap hell.
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Q12543 wrote:You can rarely blame a loss on one player, but I think it's pretty fair to blame Jeff Teague on this one. Although Tyus Jones didn't exactly seize the moment....
We needed this win too with a schedule loss tomorrow. It will only be a matter of time before OKC snags that 4th seed from us.
This was a terrible loss. But so were the home losses to Phoenix without Booker and the Sixers without Covington. So was the road loss to the Nets. But the main story of this loss was Teague and it was just his 1-12 shooting. And it wasn't even his idiotic failure to inbound the ball at the end as he called a timeout we didn't have. His decision-making was terrible throughout the game. But it didn't take this horrible peformance for me to conclude that signing him for 3 years at $19 million per year was a mistake.
Other story lines that explain the loss. One problem was the failure to get more shots for Towns in the offense. I don't know how much of that is on Thibs versus Teague. Another problem was the fact that we took only 19 threes compared to Atlanta's 34. It's hard to win NBA games with that sort of 3-point shooting deficit. I'm not sure why Thibs didn't have Crawford in there at the end when we needed a three to tie.
As I've said all season, this is a team that needs to score to win. We're just not going to win many games scoring 100 points or less. This is a team that typically needs to score 110 or more, which is something we should do routinely against bad teams like Atlanta. We need more ball movement and we need to get more shots from Towns in the half court. I don't know how much of the blame goes on Thibs versus Teague for the lack of ball movement and failure to get KAT more involved in the offense. But it wasn't just tonight, it's been all too common all season. We're 11 games over .500 and that's nice. But OKC is closing in on us as the Wolves head into the toughest part of their schedule in Feb and March. We have the talent to be the 3rd seed in the West, but we're probably going to end up the 5th or 6th seed. That's unfortunate.
I llike you lip but you over react to much after games. Right before teague hurt you were saying that he figured it out and he might be overpaid but a good signing.
You thought we were a 7th/8th seed when we were struggling and then when we played better we are a 3 seed and now after a bad loss we are a 6 seed in your mind.
You have come around on wiggins after a string of good games after months of saying the contact will come back to bite ( just want to say I posted about this a month ago that people will be back in the wiggins camp when his shot started to fall because wiggins does this every year).
I don't disagree with your main premise of needing better ball movement and needing to hit 110 pts. But don't overreact to bad loses we are 1 of I believe 2 teams that haven't lost 3 straight all year. And we are finishing up our toughest month of the season and played games without Jimmy and we didn't fall in the standings and we held ground.
Take a deep breath we got this. Don't let one game (what is a terrible loss) skew your perspective of the bigger picture and what the wolves are accomplishing this season.
All good points, Geek. But I wouldn't have reacted so harshly to this game if not for the long list of terrible losses to inferior teams like the Suns, Nets, Magic, etc. Yet, your point is well taken. It's hard to be totally analytical after a loss like this. :).
As for Teague, I did think he had turned it around after coming back from his injury. I think I overreacted to what looked like improvement at the time. My reaction to Teague tonight is pretty consistent with my general long-standing assessment of him all season. I don't like the way he plays and don't think he's a very good fit for our team because he doesn't have the natural PG instincts to take full advantage of the scoring talent around him. He's not a bad player and we could certainly do worse than him. But he's not a good fit and his way too expensive for what he provides. I've seen enough of him now to know my view of him won't change. That's in contrast to my view of Taj. He's completely changed my mind on whether he's worth his contract.
thedoper wrote:Have to add Cam, Bazemore would be a sweet 3 wing. I'm sold. Make it happen.
I would be aggressive in my pursuit of him if I were Thibs/Layden. One domino has already fallen with the Griffin trade. It won't be long before other deals pop off.
Still in the boat only if you can get him for gorgui and a 2nd I don't do it (I don't think that trade is realistic.) We are in cap hell in 2 years what is going to make it hard to sign guys like tyus and belly already (not saying they are super worth it) but we need to add cheap young talent or one of our core will have to go at sometime (I know you would pick wiggins).
I like Bazemore a lot but he dosen't get us into the top 2 in the west so it is not worth more cap hell.
We're only in "cap hell" -- as you put it -- if the Wolves decide that Teague, Gibson, and Dieng are unmovable, and they're not. Towns and Butler are the main pieces, and Wiggins is right there if he keeps progressing. Outside of them, it's all just support.
Q12543 wrote:You can rarely blame a loss on one player, but I think it's pretty fair to blame Jeff Teague on this one. Although Tyus Jones didn't exactly seize the moment....
We needed this win too with a schedule loss tomorrow. It will only be a matter of time before OKC snags that 4th seed from us.
This was a terrible loss. But so were the home losses to Phoenix without Booker and the Sixers without Covington. So was the road loss to the Nets. But the main story of this loss was Teague and it was just his 1-12 shooting. And it wasn't even his idiotic failure to inbound the ball at the end as he called a timeout we didn't have. His decision-making was terrible throughout the game. But it didn't take this horrible peformance for me to conclude that signing him for 3 years at $19 million per year was a mistake.
Other story lines that explain the loss. One problem was the failure to get more shots for Towns in the offense. I don't know how much of that is on Thibs versus Teague. Another problem was the fact that we took only 19 threes compared to Atlanta's 34. It's hard to win NBA games with that sort of 3-point shooting deficit. I'm not sure why Thibs didn't have Crawford in there at the end when we needed a three to tie.
As I've said all season, this is a team that needs to score to win. We're just not going to win many games scoring 100 points or less. This is a team that typically needs to score 110 or more, which is something we should do routinely against bad teams like Atlanta. We need more ball movement and we need to get more shots from Towns in the half court. I don't know how much of the blame goes on Thibs versus Teague for the lack of ball movement and failure to get KAT more involved in the offense. But it wasn't just tonight, it's been all too common all season. We're 11 games over .500 and that's nice. But OKC is closing in on us as the Wolves head into the toughest part of their schedule in Feb and March. We have the talent to be the 3rd seed in the West, but we're probably going to end up the 5th or 6th seed. That's unfortunate.
I llike you lip but you over react to much after games. Right before teague hurt you were saying that he figured it out and he might be overpaid but a good signing.
You thought we were a 7th/8th seed when we were struggling and then when we played better we are a 3 seed and now after a bad loss we are a 6 seed in your mind.
You have come around on wiggins after a string of good games after months of saying the contact will come back to bite ( just want to say I posted about this a month ago that people will be back in the wiggins camp when his shot started to fall because wiggins does this every year).
I don't disagree with your main premise of needing better ball movement and needing to hit 110 pts. But don't overreact to bad loses we are 1 of I believe 2 teams that haven't lost 3 straight all year. And we are finishing up our toughest month of the season and played games without Jimmy and we didn't fall in the standings and we held ground.
Take a deep breath we got this. Don't let one game (what is a terrible loss) skew your perspective of the bigger picture and what the wolves are accomplishing this season.
All good points, Geek. But I wouldn't have reacted so harshly to this game if not for the long list of terrible losses to inferior teams like the Suns, Nets, Magic, etc. Yet, your point is well taken. It's hard to be totally analytical after a loss like this. :).
As for Teague, I did think he had turned it around after coming back from his injury. I think I overreacted to what looked like improvement at the time. My reaction to Teague tonight is pretty consistent with my general long-standing assessment of him all season. I don't like the way he plays and don't think he's a very good fit for our team because he doesn't have the natural PG instincts to take full advantage of the scoring talent around him. He's not a bad player and we could certainly do worse than him. But he's not a good fit and his way too expensive for what he provides. I've seen enough of him now to know my view of him won't change. That's in contrast to my view of Taj. He's completely changed my mind on whether he's worth his contract.
To be fair you have the right to be upset. I am also. I'm curious if they shouldn't sit teague a game or two if he is really dealing with an ankle and wrist injury right now. Like he is getting to a good spot on the floor but is not finishing right now. It was unfortunate that tyus couldn't take advantage of Teague playing bad tonight because tyus was also not good.
I still believe when Teague plays well we have a huge ceiling. We almost have the same problem when we lose games and I feel like they are correctable and hopefully thibs gets there and makes the necessary moves.
Also want to point out how dumb the +/- stat is. Teague was a +5 and Tyus was a -10. Also 2 of the +/- all stars from last year Rubio and Patterson have been garbage this year.
thedoper wrote:Have to add Cam, Bazemore would be a sweet 3 wing. I'm sold. Make it happen.
I would be aggressive in my pursuit of him if I were Thibs/Layden. One domino has already fallen with the Griffin trade. It won't be long before other deals pop off.
Still in the boat only if you can get him for gorgui and a 2nd I don't do it (I don't think that trade is realistic.) We are in cap hell in 2 years what is going to make it hard to sign guys like tyus and belly already (not saying they are super worth it) but we need to add cheap young talent or one of our core will have to go at sometime (I know you would pick wiggins).
I like Bazemore a lot but he dosen't get us into the top 2 in the west so it is not worth more cap hell.
We're only in "cap hell" -- as you put it -- if the Wolves decide that Teague, Gibson, and Dieng are unmovable, and they're not. Towns and Butler are the main pieces, and Wiggins is right there if he keeps progressing. Outside of them, it's all just support.
I mean we have to move teague and Gorgui for no salary mostly. I'm just saying if we traded for Bazemore for gorgui for example (don't think it is possible but for argument sake). The year 2020 Butler makes ~32 mil. Wiggins 27. Towns 27 (might be more now that he can get a higher max because of making the all star game), Teague at 19, Bazemore at 19 Mil. So those 5 guys will make 122 mil and that lux tax line this year is 119 mil so already over it and that is not including the whole bench. Also if we give up a 1st to add Bazemore we have no way to add cheap young talent.
Q12543 wrote:You can rarely blame a loss on one player, but I think it's pretty fair to blame Jeff Teague on this one. Although Tyus Jones didn't exactly seize the moment....
We needed this win too with a schedule loss tomorrow. It will only be a matter of time before OKC snags that 4th seed from us.
This was a terrible loss. But so were the home losses to Phoenix without Booker and the Sixers without Covington. So was the road loss to the Nets. But the main story of this loss was Teague and it was just his 1-12 shooting. And it wasn't even his idiotic failure to inbound the ball at the end as he called a timeout we didn't have. His decision-making was terrible throughout the game. But it didn't take this horrible peformance for me to conclude that signing him for 3 years at $19 million per year was a mistake.
Other story lines that explain the loss. One problem was the failure to get more shots for Towns in the offense. I don't know how much of that is on Thibs versus Teague. Another problem was the fact that we took only 19 threes compared to Atlanta's 34. It's hard to win NBA games with that sort of 3-point shooting deficit. I'm not sure why Thibs didn't have Crawford in there at the end when we needed a three to tie.
As I've said all season, this is a team that needs to score to win. We're just not going to win many games scoring 100 points or less. This is a team that typically needs to score 110 or more, which is something we should do routinely against bad teams like Atlanta. We need more ball movement and we need to get more shots from Towns in the half court. I don't know how much of the blame goes on Thibs versus Teague for the lack of ball movement and failure to get KAT more involved in the offense. But it wasn't just tonight, it's been all too common all season. We're 11 games over .500 and that's nice. But OKC is closing in on us as the Wolves head into the toughest part of their schedule in Feb and March. We have the talent to be the 3rd seed in the West, but we're probably going to end up the 5th or 6th seed. That's unfortunate.
I llike you lip but you over react to much after games. Right before teague hurt you were saying that he figured it out and he might be overpaid but a good signing.
You thought we were a 7th/8th seed when we were struggling and then when we played better we are a 3 seed and now after a bad loss we are a 6 seed in your mind.
You have come around on wiggins after a string of good games after months of saying the contact will come back to bite ( just want to say I posted about this a month ago that people will be back in the wiggins camp when his shot started to fall because wiggins does this every year).
I don't disagree with your main premise of needing better ball movement and needing to hit 110 pts. But don't overreact to bad loses we are 1 of I believe 2 teams that haven't lost 3 straight all year. And we are finishing up our toughest month of the season and played games without Jimmy and we didn't fall in the standings and we held ground.
Take a deep breath we got this. Don't let one game (what is a terrible loss) skew your perspective of the bigger picture and what the wolves are accomplishing this season.
All good points, Geek. But I wouldn't have reacted so harshly to this game if not for the long list of terrible losses to inferior teams like the Suns, Nets, Magic, etc. Yet, your point is well taken. It's hard to be totally analytical after a loss like this. :).
As for Teague, I did think he had turned it around after coming back from his injury. I think I overreacted to what looked like improvement at the time. My reaction to Teague tonight is pretty consistent with my general long-standing assessment of him all season. I don't like the way he plays and don't think he's a very good fit for our team because he doesn't have the natural PG instincts to take full advantage of the scoring talent around him. He's not a bad player and we could certainly do worse than him. But he's not a good fit and his way too expensive for what he provides. I've seen enough of him now to know my view of him won't change. That's in contrast to my view of Taj. He's completely changed my mind on whether he's worth his contract.
To be fair you have the right to be upset. I am also. I'm curious if they shouldn't sit teague a game or two if he is really dealing with an ankle and wrist injury right now. Like he is getting to a good spot on the floor but is not finishing right now. It was unfortunate that tyus couldn't take advantage of Teague playing bad tonight because tyus was also not good.
I still believe when Teague plays well we have a huge ceiling. We almost have the same problem when we lose games and I feel like they are correctable and hopefully thibs gets there and makes the necessary moves.
Also want to point out how dumb the +/- stat is. Teague was a +5 and Tyus was a -10. Also 2 of the +/- all stars from last year Rubio and Patterson have been garbage this year.
I had the same thought about tonight's +/-. It's the worst and most misleading stat in basketball. In my view it has absolutely no material value for evaluating players.
I think Kat did score off a Teague PnR a couple times in the first if I recall, but even those, the spacing doesn't seem right, requires a very difficult make by Kat to convert. Our spacing as a team is relatively bad in general.
