AbeVigodaLive wrote:sjm34 wrote:Q12543 wrote:sjm34 wrote:Q12543 wrote:sjm34 wrote:Some of you act as if we could just get another top 15 player. You dump your coaching staff, you dump your front office, you sell the freaking team if you have to, but you don't give up the ultra talented players in the NBA. Stop acting like this is some tough thing to solve because it isn't. start showing on the pick and roll, and the Majority of your defensive problems will be fixed.
Why wasn't KAT a problem when KG played next to him? Because Mitchell had our big showing on the pick and roll. They spent 25 minutes on the first day of camp getting Gorgui to come out of the paint to show on the pick and roll.
I don't necessarily disagree with your initial premise (in theory) and it's a legit take. It's REALLY hard to find players as talented as KAT.
But then you lose me on your defensive solution. So all we need to do is show more on the PnR? That's it? While I think that is sometimes a viable PnR defensive strategy, it can also lead to wide open dunks for rolling bigs. And guess how that gets stopped? By bringing a guy off the wing to dive into the paint, therefore leaving someone open for a wide open 3. There is a reason teams like the Bucks play drop coverage.
KAT wasn't a problem when KG played next to him because.....freakin' one of the greatest defensive bigs in the game palyed next to him!!!! He also had Prince on the wing. So to his right was KG and to his left was Prince. And at PG we had Ricky Rubio.
KG played limited minutes in his last season so that doesn't explain everythingKG played limited minutes in his last season so that doesn't explain everything, but what does happen when you get out and show with your seven footer is it takes away the passing lane to that open corner three-man on the weak side forcing them to pass the ball around the perimeter which gives you time to get back out to that man.
I'm not an expert on how Milwaukee plays defense but of the games I have watched they show a lot on the pick and roll. Maybe we saw drop coverage because our outside guys can't shoot the basketball.
It actually does explain everything. We ended up 28th in Drtg that season precisely because KG didn't play a lot. When he was on the floor, the team defensive rating was 97.5, which is incredibly low. KAT's was awful as long as KG wasn't on the floor.
The Bucks basically make drop coverage a core tenet of their defense. It's meant to first and foremost protect the rim. What it gives up is mid-range jumpers and floaters. But those are lower point per possession shots than layups, dunks and catch-and-shoot 3's. Minnesota has installed a similar scheme...they just don't do it as well.
Comparing what milwaukee does is silly. They play two bigs, and one of them is Giannis. I believe Milwaukee gives up the most 3 pt shots in the league. Funny that we are trying to guard against that, but Milwaukee is the worst at it with the best defense.
To be fair, Philadelphia has the 2nd best defense in the league... and they allow the fewest three point attempts. Utah is also a top defensive team historically... and they give up the 3rd fewest attempts.
My point is that either strategy can work... pick your poison.
You simply have to execute that plan well. Mil, Phi and Utah all do that... and are perennial playoff teams.
Looking on NBA.com, Toronto has the second best rating and are also second in 3pt attempted. Regardless, I agree that it has more to do with execution. I look at attention to detail, and that is where the wolves fail miserably. They don't block out on rebs, they don't recover back to their man after helping on D, etc.
I'm not going to blame KAT for all of this. Gorgui didn't suddenly become a good defender. Many took a better def rtg while KAT was out as proof that he is the problem. Truth is that we played against weak offensive teams for the majority of that stretch. Maybe someone could come up with a collective number on this.
Getting back to Q, I looked at some video of Milwaukee and their wings tend to sag in on the drop coverage which is limiting the ball handler to the pull up rather than being able to challenge Lopez laterally. We don't do that, so either fix that and give up more 3's or show on the PnR. We can't do both, and probably won't do either well. Milwaukee's biggest strength seems to be their scrambling defense, which is due to effort and intelligence. Something we lack on this team as well. Ultimately we need to stop being so rigid on D, and start throwing more things at the opponent.
