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Re: Inside Information
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:26 pm
by Monster
I'm interested to see how Isaac measures put at the combine. His length could help A LOT when he is playing early. His "do shit" stats are pretty good. Personally a I think he fits this roster as well as any player in this draft and it's not like he is some completely lesser prospect. There are plenty of nice players that will be available to the Wolves Markkanen is the only one right now I would steer clear of but I should do more research on him.
Re: Inside Information
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:27 pm
by Coolbreeze44
Snell and Green are both good options to overpay. You have to make it hurt the other team to keep them.
Re: Inside Information
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:34 pm
by kekgeek
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Snell and Green are both good options to overpay. You have to make it hurt the other team to keep them.
Just in my opinion I think green would be the better option to overpay. Because if the grizz match we are hurting a west team. I would offer gorgui money
Re: Inside Information
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:35 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
Weights listed on draft profiles: Lavine-180, Ingram-196, Porter 197, Wiggins-200, Isaac 205, Noel, 206, DeRozan-211, P George 214 (though he was soph), Durant 220.
Isaac is skinny, but he's heavier than Ingram and the same size as Nerlens Noel when Noel came out. Lavine and Wiggs were pretty skinny guys and if their skinniness didn't hold them back, I don't see why it would hold back Isaac. I didn't realize Porter was that skinny but he has filled out nicely. Unless, you are freakishly skinny like Manute Bol, I don't see why being skinny is such a bad thing. I think draft pundits overplay the skinny frame thing a bit too much.
Re: Inside Information
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:36 pm
by Coolbreeze44
kekgeek1 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:Snell and Green are both good options to overpay. You have to make it hurt the other team to keep them.
Just in my opinion I think green would be the better option to overpay. Because if the grizz match we are hurting a west team. I would offer gorgui money
I agree Kek. That's the kind of money i would offer.
Re: Inside Information
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:42 pm
by Mr. Brightside [enjin:16464947]
TeamRicky wrote:Brightside, I don't know why you think Isaac is a 3 or 4 year project? If its because he's skinny--Durant, Paul George, Kawhi, Wiggins etc. were all skinny, and Isaac will fill out. He's long and he's got a great outside shot with a high release point. He also is a better defender than any of our wings right now. He's already a very good rebounder. He's said to have a very high basketball IQ. He'll be in the rotation as backup 3 or 4 or both and I think he'd start in year 2. Some thought Towns would take a few years to contribute too. The nice thing about Isaac is he has a very diverse set of skills and that will get him in the lineup pretty quickly. Tatum and Jackson also are pretty polished guys. Any of those three guys will be in the rotation before the end of year one and contributing. I do like Crowder, but if we can land one of these three guys, I'd prefer to do that. Keep the window long and the rookie contract will keep our payroll down so that we can add other pieces.
C'mon. Durant, George, Wiggins, and Leonard were/are in another stratosphere when it comes to comparing basketball skill and sheer athletic ability with Isaac. It's not even close.
Isaac has an average shot. He's not a great shooter. He might become one but again, it's a projection. I'd rather take the sure thing when it comes to shooting (Monk and Markannen). Isaac will struggle defensively until he adds weight, which is another projection. Remember when Corey Brewer was going to add weight? Anthony Randolph? List goes on and on. Isaac is a skinny 4 that can't play the 4 right now due to lack of strength. He'll have to play the 3 early on and I don't think he's quick enough laterally to guard the SFs in the NBA. He won't provide the impact we are looking for.
Re: Inside Information
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 8:09 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
Mr. Brightside wrote:TeamRicky wrote:Brightside, I don't know why you think Isaac is a 3 or 4 year project? If its because he's skinny--Durant, Paul George, Kawhi, Wiggins etc. were all skinny, and Isaac will fill out. He's long and he's got a great outside shot with a high release point. He also is a better defender than any of our wings right now. He's already a very good rebounder. He's said to have a very high basketball IQ. He'll be in the rotation as backup 3 or 4 or both and I think he'd start in year 2. Some thought Towns would take a few years to contribute too. The nice thing about Isaac is he has a very diverse set of skills and that will get him in the lineup pretty quickly. Tatum and Jackson also are pretty polished guys. Any of those three guys will be in the rotation before the end of year one and contributing. I do like Crowder, but if we can land one of these three guys, I'd prefer to do that. Keep the window long and the rookie contract will keep our payroll down so that we can add other pieces.
C'mon. Durant, George, Wiggins, and Leonard were/are in another stratosphere when it comes to comparing basketball skill and sheer athletic ability with Isaac. It's not even close.
Isaac has an average shot. He's not a great shooter. He might become one but again, it's a projection. I'd rather take the sure thing when it comes to shooting (Monk and Markannen). Isaac will struggle defensively until he adds weight, which is another projection. Remember when Corey Brewer was going to add weight? Anthony Randolph? List goes on and on. Isaac is a skinny 4 that can't play the 4 right now due to lack of strength. He'll have to play the 3 early on and I don't think he's quick enough laterally to guard the SFs in the NBA. He won't provide the impact we are looking for.
Isaac is projected to go earlier than where George and Leonard were taken and he's a much better prospect than Brewer or Randolph. He also can guard the three better than any of our current wings. He has quick feet and length and a high basketball IQ and willingness to play hard on defense. Markannen and Monk are much more one dimensional players and are not the best fits here.
Re: Inside Information
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 8:09 pm
by Coolbreeze44
Ricky, Memphis may match whatever we offer, but it's not a slam dunk. They have other guys they have to sign this summer like Zebo and Allen. They are going to have to make some choices or be subject to somem heavy tax penalties. A good still offer to Green could result in a number of outcomes including the possibility of a sign and trade. Don't dismiss Green as an option for us.
Re: Inside Information
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 8:17 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Ricky, Memphis may match whatever we offer, but it's not a slam dunk. They have other guys they have to sign this summer like Zebo and Allen. They are going to have to make some choices or be subject to somem heavy tax penalties. A good still offer to Green could result in a number of outcomes including the possibility of a sign and trade. Don't dismiss Green as an option for us.
I think Zebo and Allen will have to take huge paycuts or leave. Memphis is more likely to try to retain Green since he is younger. I like the scenario more because I'd love to get Tony Allen for dirt cheap. I think he can still play some minutes but his value as a mentor could be invaluable.
Re: Inside Information
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 9:57 pm
by Monster
TeamRicky wrote:Mr. Brightside wrote:TeamRicky wrote:Brightside, I don't know why you think Isaac is a 3 or 4 year project? If its because he's skinny--Durant, Paul George, Kawhi, Wiggins etc. were all skinny, and Isaac will fill out. He's long and he's got a great outside shot with a high release point. He also is a better defender than any of our wings right now. He's already a very good rebounder. He's said to have a very high basketball IQ. He'll be in the rotation as backup 3 or 4 or both and I think he'd start in year 2. Some thought Towns would take a few years to contribute too. The nice thing about Isaac is he has a very diverse set of skills and that will get him in the lineup pretty quickly. Tatum and Jackson also are pretty polished guys. Any of those three guys will be in the rotation before the end of year one and contributing. I do like Crowder, but if we can land one of these three guys, I'd prefer to do that. Keep the window long and the rookie contract will keep our payroll down so that we can add other pieces.
C'mon. Durant, George, Wiggins, and Leonard were/are in another stratosphere when it comes to comparing basketball skill and sheer athletic ability with Isaac. It's not even close.
Isaac has an average shot. He's not a great shooter. He might become one but again, it's a projection. I'd rather take the sure thing when it comes to shooting (Monk and Markannen). Isaac will struggle defensively until he adds weight, which is another projection. Remember when Corey Brewer was going to add weight? Anthony Randolph? List goes on and on. Isaac is a skinny 4 that can't play the 4 right now due to lack of strength. He'll have to play the 3 early on and I don't think he's quick enough laterally to guard the SFs in the NBA. He won't provide the impact we are looking for.
Isaac is projected to go earlier than where George and Leonard were taken and he's a much better prospect than Brewer or Randolph. He also can guard the three better than any of our current wings. He has quick feet and length and a high basketball IQ and willingness to play hard on defense. Markannen and Monk are much more one dimensional players and are not the best fits here.
Brewer and Randolph's lack of success had very little to do with how skinny they were or weren't and Randolph did fill out plenty. Brewer just never got better (and wasn't actually that lengthy) and Randolph...um just wasn't good despite having all the talent.
I can't remeber where I gleaned the info but supposedly a number of basketball folks say Monk is a SG. He is 6'3" in shoes and has 6'3" wingspan. That's ok for a PG but if he does have to play SG...well that's pretty undersized and would have to be a concern. You can bring up physical weaknesses for a lot of these prospects depending on how you view them.