Q12543 wrote:Brooklyn plays a modern day strategy. Basically their goal is to take as many 3's as possible while limiting the other team's 3's and giving up the open mid-range jumper. That strategy is what beat us, not their talent.
Yep, funny some teams know that the long two is a bad shot while others still can't figure out this basic concept.
Credit to Dinwiddie....that was a well defended last shot he made going to his left and contested by Taj.
As for the rest of the game, we were just off offensively. There were a lot of rim-outs and blown layups (including Tyus). It's hard for me to put my finger on anything in particular. We have had a LOT of these 50/50 games go our way. We were due for a loss.
Q12543 wrote:Brooklyn plays a modern day strategy. Basically their goal is to take as many 3's as possible while limiting the other team's 3's and giving up the open mid-range jumper. That strategy is what beat us, not their talent.
Yep, funny some teams know that the long two is a bad shot while others still can't figure out this basic concept.
The most infuriating to me is the Wiggins one or two-dribble pull up long 2. My God, he's lucky if he makes that shot 20% of the time, yet he takes a couple every. single. game. Just a terrible, terrible shot. He has to either let it fly from 3 or take the god damn ball all the way to the hoop and create contact. Such a lazy bail out shot....And since when did he determine it was no longer cool to dunk the ball? Enough with the weak finger rolls. Arghhhh!
Bjelly is beginning to remind me of Shved. Just seems like such a fragile ego. If he has confidence, he is an excellent bench player that does a lot of good things. But if he is somehow frustrated with his shot or the referring, he just goes all to pieces. That should not be happening at this stage in his career.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Yuck. One of those games. They happen. Quick belated summary (only saw second half):
- As noted... dumb last play. The iso set-up is on Thibs... waiting too long is on Butler. Down 1, you MUST attack immediately in case you missed. Dumb.
- 10 assists. TOTAL. 10! Nobody wants to watch that style of basketball. It's simply not sustainable against good teams.
- Taj looked bad. Great season thus far. He's destroying his career high in minutes... hopefully this is an anomaly. We'll see if he gets gassed. Because...
- Bejilca sucks balls since his return. And when you think about the relatively short timeframe of good basketball vs. the much larger sample size of crappy to mediocre to average basketball, there's no guarantee he's gonna get back to his super hot shooting he started the season with... or even that this team can count on him. Virtually EVERY team has a Bjelica type. He's shown nothing more than those guys. Nearly dime a dozen.
- Another team with key players out. Lin + LaVert + Russell might be the three best guards on the Nets. None played.
- 14 > 1.
- 30 > 11.
After checking on what Toronto is doing this season, I was going to create a three point shooting thread yesterday but decided it wasn't the right time. It is now. Tomorrow.
I agree with you on all counts, Abe. Note that I mentioned after the Laker game that Taj looked exhausted in that game. His rebounding has been down lately as well -- another sign of fatigue. He's never played this many minutes in his career and he's not 32 years old. It was bound to catch up with him.
Your most important point was the 10 assists. As you said and as I've repeated a thousand times, the iso style Thibs employs is not only ugly aesthetically but also not sustainable against good teams. That's why I've been concerned even though we're 9 game sover .500. The tough part of our schedule lies ahead and we can't count on playing teams missing their best players.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Yuck. One of those games. They happen. Quick belated summary (only saw second half):
- As noted... dumb last play. The iso set-up is on Thibs... waiting too long is on Butler. Down 1, you MUST attack immediately in case you missed. Dumb.
- 10 assists. TOTAL. 10! Nobody wants to watch that style of basketball. It's simply not sustainable against good teams.
- Taj looked bad. Great season thus far. He's destroying his career high in minutes... hopefully this is an anomaly. We'll see if he gets gassed. Because...
- Bejilca sucks balls since his return. And when you think about the relatively short timeframe of good basketball vs. the much larger sample size of crappy to mediocre to average basketball, there's no guarantee he's gonna get back to his super hot shooting he started the season with... or even that this team can count on him. Virtually EVERY team has a Bjelica type. He's shown nothing more than those guys. Nearly dime a dozen.
- Another team with key players out. Lin + LaVert + Russell might be the three best guards on the Nets. None played.
- 14 > 1.
- 30 > 11.
After checking on what Toronto is doing this season, I was going to create a three point shooting thread yesterday but decided it wasn't the right time. It is now. Tomorrow.
I agree with you on all counts, Abe. Note that I mentioned after the Laker game that Taj looked exhausted in that game. His rebounding has been down lately as well -- another sign of fatigue. He's never played this many minutes in his career and he's not 32 years old. It was bound to catch up with him.
Your most important point was the 10 assists. As you said and as I've repeated a thousand times, the iso style Thibs employs is not only ugly aesthetically but also not sustainable against good teams. That's why I've been concerned even though we're 9 game sover .500. The tough part of our schedule lies ahead and we can't count on playing teams missing their best players.
There is also a direct correlation between the 10 assists and the 1 three point shot (and even more importantly, only 11 attempts).
You get more three point attempts when the ball swings and you can stay one pass ahead of the defense. Again, the Wolves were probably due for a bad loss and games like this happen. But it's so obvious WHY they lost that we probably shouldn't just ignore it entirely.
Q12543 wrote:Credit to Dinwiddie....that was a well defended last shot he made going to his left and contested by Taj.
As for the rest of the game, we were just off offensively. There were a lot of rim-outs and blown layups (including Tyus). It's hard for me to put my finger on anything in particular. We have had a LOT of these 50/50 games go our way. We were due for a loss.
This is a good summery of the gamers me. Credit the Nets for making some plays. The Wolves got back in this one and the Nets let them back in at times but it was just one of those games. Also...despite their record and guys that are out...the Nets don't suck.
Belly is of sorts. He had a decent little stretch the previous game where he got some shots to go in. One thing to think about though is he isn't getting wide open 3's in general. Why? Well some of it is guys not passing the ball and teams are not just leaving him alone out there. We have a 6'10" guy with gravity as a shooter even though he has hit one in like a month! Neat!!! He will come around if he stays healthy. How long will it take? Idk the other thing I will say is Thibs has gotten him on the floor as a SF. There has been some solid matchups for him to do that but that's still a bit different for him and should be considered. Tonight he was guarding Joe Harris. I didn't like that. There were times Harris made him look silly because he isn't used to guarding at that level against perimeter guys. MGH should have played more of those minutes in the 2nd half.
I like Crawford taking those long 2'a when a player gives him a screen or he makes a move and it's basically like a layup for him. I think until later in the game he and the Wolves can get him that shot about any time they want. He shouldn't be taking contested shots early in the shot clock.
Wiggins dude was really doing some stuff out there. He didn't get credit for any blocks? Weird. The last few games have been pretty encouraging for his Q-score. Also i think his drives he has slowed down a bit and even changed pace. Before he was doing more of a Bazz 120miles and hour.
Yep Taj struggled.
Playing down to the competition was something that was mentioned on the broadcast. Usually you mention the young guys but Butler early on and Taj struggled too. This was a group effort.
Nice to see Tyus get a dunk. He was solid in this game.
Dieng had another nice game. He probably should have played a little more.
Sure the Nets hit a lot more 3'a than the Wolves and the Wolves didn't have many assists. Why didn't there Wolves have more assists? Well I'm the first half they just didn't make a lot of shots. In some cases throughout the game they shot a FT instead of recording an assist. In the basics fomula the Wolves played their game pretty well. Don't turn the ball over turn the other team over get to the FT like and make your FTs. They did that and lost. Why? They missed shots and didn't score enough points and the Nets made some shots. There were some defensive breakdowns but I didn't think it was a bad performance I've seen plenty of those on that end this year and in year's past. It wasn't good enough to win but it wasn't bad. In other game the Wolves took off Towns made some 3's. Tonight he was 0-4.
