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monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:Imagine the deflated attitudes in New Orleans. They had to be so fired up for the first home game of the Cousins era, until they got a first taste of the "Cousins impact". Same act, different time zone. He puts up huge stats again, and they lose by 30 at home. There will be lots of justification and explaining...you know Davis and Cousins just need some time together. But I think it's deeper than that. Cousins just doesn't make NBA teams better.

To be fair...

1. It's one game.
2. The team shot 6 - 31 on three pointers. They just gave up arguably their best three point shooter in the trade.
3. The PG sucked balls. 3 - 12 fg / 6 poins / 7 TOs. It was one of the worst games of his career. We could just say he had a rough night... or blame the 30 point loss on the guy who shot 58% for 27 points. 14 rebounds. 5 assists. 5 steals. 4 Blocks. 1 TO.
4. Give it time. To make such a kneejerk reaction after one game seems a bit myopic. Stats be damned... but Cousins was brilliant on the boxscore last night... his teammates sucked balls. They deserve at least SOME of the blame.

I'll add to what Abe said that Lou Williams scored 27 for the Rockets who already were a terrific offensive team. They added a guy to their team that was averaging 18ppg off the bench...in 24mpg. Insane That's almost 28ppg per 36 minutes. The Rockets added their own very good player to a much better team and won big. Why is that such a shock? Houston has Lou Williams AND Eric Gordon coming off the bench. That's unbelieveavle.

For me the biggest shock of the box score is that Bobby Brown is still on Houston's roster. Who knew?

Back to Q's "How do you defend this" thread... Houston's top two BENCH guys combined to shoot 25 three pointers yesterday. The Wolves average 22 as a team (and that might be a franchise high?)...

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:Imagine the deflated attitudes in New Orleans. They had to be so fired up for the first home game of the Cousins era, until they got a first taste of the "Cousins impact". Same act, different time zone. He puts up huge stats again, and they lose by 30 at home. There will be lots of justification and explaining...you know Davis and Cousins just need some time together. But I think it's deeper than that. Cousins just doesn't make NBA teams better.

To be fair...

1. It's one game.
2. The team shot 6 - 31 on three pointers. They just gave up arguably their best three point shooter in the trade.
3. The PG sucked balls. 3 - 12 fg / 6 poins / 7 TOs. It was one of the worst games of his career. We could just say he had a rough night... or blame the 30 point loss on the guy who shot 58% for 27 points. 14 rebounds. 5 assists. 5 steals. 4 Blocks. 1 TO.
4. Give it time. To make such a kneejerk reaction after one game seems a bit myopic. Stats be damned... but Cousins was brilliant on the boxscore last night... his teammates sucked balls. They deserve at least SOME of the blame.

I'm not a Cousin guy, Abe...never have been. So my admittedly knee-jerk reaction is natural for me. Yeah, it's just one reaction, but also exactly what I would have expected and will continue to expect.. Yeah, Cousins' stat line was incredible, but then again it always is. But nonetheless he has never sniffed the playoffs in his first 6 years in the league, and I think this year will make 7. Winners make teammates better...Cousins seems to have the opposite impact.

3-point shooting is going to be a problem with the Pellies. They lost 2 of their three best shooters in the trade and also gave up picks and Evans. It was interesting to me that the Kings celebrated the post-Cousins era with a resounding victory over the Nuggets. More knee-jerk evidence of the Cousins impact. I still think there are a lot of happy (albeit generally incompetent) people in the Kings' front office these days.

Time will tell though. Maybe cousins is actually a winner and just needed a change of scenery. I'm betting against though.

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:Imagine the deflated attitudes in New Orleans. They had to be so fired up for the first home game of the Cousins era, until they got a first taste of the "Cousins impact". Same act, different time zone. He puts up huge stats again, and they lose by 30 at home. There will be lots of justification and explaining...you know Davis and Cousins just need some time together. But I think it's deeper than that. Cousins just doesn't make NBA teams better.

To be fair...

1. It's one game.
2. The team shot 6 - 31 on three pointers. They just gave up arguably their best three point shooter in the trade.
3. The PG sucked balls. 3 - 12 fg / 6 poins / 7 TOs. It was one of the worst games of his career. We could just say he had a rough night... or blame the 30 point loss on the guy who shot 58% for 27 points. 14 rebounds. 5 assists. 5 steals. 4 Blocks. 1 TO.
4. Give it time. To make such a kneejerk reaction after one game seems a bit myopic. Stats be damned... but Cousins was brilliant on the boxscore last night... his teammates sucked balls. They deserve at least SOME of the blame.

I'll add to what Abe said that Lou Williams scored 27 for the Rockets who already were a terrific offensive team. They added a guy to their team that was averaging 18ppg off the bench...in 24mpg. Insane That's almost 28ppg per 36 minutes. The Rockets added their own very good player to a much better team and won big. Why is that such a shock? Houston has Lou Williams AND Eric Gordon coming off the bench. That's unbelieveavle.

For me the biggest shock of the box score is that Bobby Brown is still on Houston's roster. Who knew?

I would say any time you trail by 33 after 3 quarters at home, it's a shock...even to a pretty good team like the Rockets. And especially after making a deal that was deemed to make you so much better by bringing in a bona fide all star. It had to be shocking to a NO crowd ready to celebrate a new era. It must have been rather somber there last night.

Unless you think adding Cousins made NO a better team than Houston I'm not sure why last night would be so disappointing. Their new player almost got a 5x5 and the rest of the team played like garbage. I don't understand how that's DC's fault. The games that matter are how they compare to their peers fighting for the 8th seed. Playing a top 3 team in the conference isn't a great test of of that trade.

I must have missed something. Who are the Pelicans? Why did the Kings trade him there?

longstrangetrip wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:Imagine the deflated attitudes in New Orleans. They had to be so fired up for the first home game of the Cousins era, until they got a first taste of the "Cousins impact". Same act, different time zone. He puts up huge stats again, and they lose by 30 at home. There will be lots of justification and explaining...you know Davis and Cousins just need some time together. But I think it's deeper than that. Cousins just doesn't make NBA teams better.

To be fair...

1. It's one game.
2. The team shot 6 - 31 on three pointers. They just gave up arguably their best three point shooter in the trade.
3. The PG sucked balls. 3 - 12 fg / 6 poins / 7 TOs. It was one of the worst games of his career. We could just say he had a rough night... or blame the 30 point loss on the guy who shot 58% for 27 points. 14 rebounds. 5 assists. 5 steals. 4 Blocks. 1 TO.
4. Give it time. To make such a kneejerk reaction after one game seems a bit myopic. Stats be damned... but Cousins was brilliant on the boxscore last night... his teammates sucked balls. They deserve at least SOME of the blame.

I'll add to what Abe said that Lou Williams scored 27 for the Rockets who already were a terrific offensive team. They added a guy to their team that was averaging 18ppg off the bench...in 24mpg. Insane That's almost 28ppg per 36 minutes. The Rockets added their own very good player to a much better team and won big. Why is that such a shock? Houston has Lou Williams AND Eric Gordon coming off the bench. That's unbelieveavle.

For me the biggest shock of the box score is that Bobby Brown is still on Houston's roster. Who knew?

I would say any time you trail by 33 after 3 quarters at home, it's a shock...even to a pretty good team like the Rockets. And especially after making a deal that was deemed to make you so much better by bringing in a bona fide all star. It had to be shocking to a NO crowd ready to celebrate a new era. It must have been rather somber there last night.

Well maybe that organization and fans are kinda idiots then. That team is basically Davis, Cousins Holiday and some nice enough bench players. Fortunately they will have a little cap space and some players they may be able to move to add something to their roster but the top players are there. The organization was probably more somber about Cassi playing well and then breaking his thumb than getting their butt whooped by one of the best teams in the league.

longstrangetrip wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:Imagine the deflated attitudes in New Orleans. They had to be so fired up for the first home game of the Cousins era, until they got a first taste of the "Cousins impact". Same act, different time zone. He puts up huge stats again, and they lose by 30 at home. There will be lots of justification and explaining...you know Davis and Cousins just need some time together. But I think it's deeper than that. Cousins just doesn't make NBA teams better.

To be fair...

1. It's one game.
2. The team shot 6 - 31 on three pointers. They just gave up arguably their best three point shooter in the trade.
3. The PG sucked balls. 3 - 12 fg / 6 poins / 7 TOs. It was one of the worst games of his career. We could just say he had a rough night... or blame the 30 point loss on the guy who shot 58% for 27 points. 14 rebounds. 5 assists. 5 steals. 4 Blocks. 1 TO.
4. Give it time. To make such a kneejerk reaction after one game seems a bit myopic. Stats be damned... but Cousins was brilliant on the boxscore last night... his teammates sucked balls. They deserve at least SOME of the blame.

I'm not a Cousin guy, Abe...never have been. So my admittedly knee-jerk reaction is natural for me. Yeah, it's just one reaction, but also exactly what I would have expected and will continue to expect.. Yeah, Cousins' stat line was incredible, but then again it always is. But nonetheless he has never sniffed the playoffs in his first 6 years in the league, and I think this year will make 7. Winners make teammates better...Cousins seems to have the opposite impact.

3-point shooting is going to be a problem with the Pellies. They lost 2 of their three best shooters in the trade and also gave up picks and Evans. It was interesting to me that the Kings celebrated the post-Cousins era with a resounding victory over the Nuggets. More knee-jerk evidence of the Cousins impact. I still think there are a lot of happy (albeit generally incompetent) people in the Kings' front office these days.

Time will tell though. Maybe cousins is actually a winner and just needed a change of scenery. I'm betting against though.

Come on.....I get that Cousins has detractors, but there are a ton of guys that are extremely good/great players that don't make the playoffs. Davis included. While I agree he is a tough guy to handle, that team certainly never did him any favors in the "talented sidekick". If there is a fan-base that knows how tough it is to win in the NBA (and more specifically the West) with only a couple good players, it is MN.

I for one am curious to see how he does. He reminds me a lot of Rasheed Wallace at a young age. He mellowed and managed to carve out a fantastic second half to his career.

Hicks123 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:Imagine the deflated attitudes in New Orleans. They had to be so fired up for the first home game of the Cousins era, until they got a first taste of the "Cousins impact". Same act, different time zone. He puts up huge stats again, and they lose by 30 at home. There will be lots of justification and explaining...you know Davis and Cousins just need some time together. But I think it's deeper than that. Cousins just doesn't make NBA teams better.

To be fair...

1. It's one game.
2. The team shot 6 - 31 on three pointers. They just gave up arguably their best three point shooter in the trade.
3. The PG sucked balls. 3 - 12 fg / 6 poins / 7 TOs. It was one of the worst games of his career. We could just say he had a rough night... or blame the 30 point loss on the guy who shot 58% for 27 points. 14 rebounds. 5 assists. 5 steals. 4 Blocks. 1 TO.
4. Give it time. To make such a kneejerk reaction after one game seems a bit myopic. Stats be damned... but Cousins was brilliant on the boxscore last night... his teammates sucked balls. They deserve at least SOME of the blame.

I'm not a Cousin guy, Abe...never have been. So my admittedly knee-jerk reaction is natural for me. Yeah, it's just one reaction, but also exactly what I would have expected and will continue to expect.. Yeah, Cousins' stat line was incredible, but then again it always is. But nonetheless he has never sniffed the playoffs in his first 6 years in the league, and I think this year will make 7. Winners make teammates better...Cousins seems to have the opposite impact.

3-point shooting is going to be a problem with the Pellies. They lost 2 of their three best shooters in the trade and also gave up picks and Evans. It was interesting to me that the Kings celebrated the post-Cousins era with a resounding victory over the Nuggets. More knee-jerk evidence of the Cousins impact. I still think there are a lot of happy (albeit generally incompetent) people in the Kings' front office these days.

Time will tell though. Maybe cousins is actually a winner and just needed a change of scenery. I'm betting against though.

Come on.....I get that Cousins has detractors, but there are a ton of guys that are extremely good/great players that don't make the playoffs. Davis included. While I agree he is a tough guy to handle, that team certainly never did him any favors in the "talented sidekick". If there is a fan-base that knows how tough it is to win in the NBA (and more specifically the West) with only a couple good players, it is MN.

I for one am curious to see how he does. He reminds me a lot of Rasheed Wallace at a young age. He mellowed and managed to carve out a fantastic second half to his career.

That includes Rubio, right!?!

Heh, I certainly don't put Rubio at the same caliber as Cousins or Davis - not even close - but I always hear from his biggest detractors that he's the common thread of our losing ways, therefore he isn't the right PG for us, as if the other 8 or 9 guys in the rotation don't matter!

The larger point is that you can have a really, really, really good player like Cousins or Davis or John Wall (in past years) and still not make the playoffs. It takes a strong ensemble cast these days!

The Cousins era in NO continues with a second straight double digit loss...this time to the Mavericks. Boogie goes 3-9 with 7 turnovers. The real problem is the trade left them with only one guy who can make a three regularly, and the team went 5-24. Adding a renowned "bad guy" in exchange for 2 of your three best 3-point shooters and a lottery pick is not a winning strategy in today's NBA.

Yeah, this currently constructed Pelican's team isn't going to be very good. Their depth was already a big question mark.....and now they just got real thin. I think this move helps them in future years, but they won't see the benefits this season. As stated, they need to add several high volume 3 point shooters to this roster going into next season. If not, then having a Boogie/Davis combo isn't going to matter all that much.