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I don't want Rose on this team either. And Ricky is too good to just move for a salary dump. Don't like the tenor of these rumors at all.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:I don't want Rose on this team either. And Ricky is too good to just move for a salary dump. Don't like the tenor of these rumors at all.

No way to say moving Rubio just for cap space is worthy or not until we would see what that space acquires.

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bleedspeed177 wrote:Why do we have to trade Rubio to develop Dunn?

We don't.

If you believe the pundits, this is more about Thibs pursuing Rose than it is about letting go of Rubio just for the sake of dumping Rubio. They make it sound like we're actually interested in Rose the player (as opposed to Rose the salary dump).

It's frankly baffling to me if true. Rose is a total disaster in my opinion.

I don't want Rose either but does it change at all if O'Quinn is involved every trade I have seen is he is involved in the trade.

Don't dig Rose. But I've developed a Q and Adrien love affair thing with O'Quinn.

Hey, we all have our bromances with certain players. My guess is that Adrien could bench press O'Quinn about 20 times.....with one arm. Once he's out of San Quentin, he's all ours!

Seriously, have you seen O'Quinn play over the years? Why are his minutes so limited, because I get the fact he's been productive as hell (+/- stuff ain't so good though....there must be something).

Well when he was with the Magic they had a bunch of big guys. Last year with the Knicks they had Lopez at center. This year they have Noah's and Bleed's guy hernangomez has been pretty good when he has gottten a chance to play. I'm not suggesting he is a secrecy superstar but the guy has had other players (vets or young guys with potential) to keep him from just piling up minutes. I'm in the fan club too. :)

With a name like Willy he has to be good.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hernawi01.html

bleedspeed177 wrote:With a name like Willy he has to be good.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hernawi01.html

Bleed is trending up.

Anyone else think we should be looking for an upgrade at PF more than PG?

bleedspeed177 wrote:Anyone else think we should be looking for an upgrade at PF more than PG?

Well the rumors most of the season have suggested front court help whether or not those are accurate idk. The Wolves going forward could use a PF a Big SF, a hybrid bench forward and maybe a PG. With zach out and Lance uncertain you could argue they can use a true SG to help finish out this season. So...yeah there is stuff they could look at.

http://www.1500espn.com/wolves-2/2017/02/zulgad-wolves-interest-rose-based-desire-move-rubio/

I have been pretty vocal in my displeasure with Ricky's D particularly this year. I know there are a few others here who share the sentiment but the majority opinion here does seem to be that Ricky is a great defender. I am curious why it seems to be a forgone conclusion by everyone (media) that a defensive minded coach like Thibs has no interest in Rubio if he's a great defender?

It can't be about Rubio's offensive deficiences because we gain nothing there and our offense has been good this year. My question is there something in Thib's system that Ricky just can't give defensively? Does Thibs have an athletic threshold to running his system?

thedoper wrote:http://www.1500espn.com/wolves-2/2017/02/zulgad-wolves-interest-rose-based-desire-move-rubio/

I have been pretty vocal in my displeasure with Ricky's D particularly this year. I know there are a few others here who share the sentiment but the majority opinion here does seem to be that Ricky is a great defender. I am curious why it seems to be a forgone conclusion by everyone (media) that a defensive minded coach like Thibs has no interest in Rubio if he's a great defender?

It can't be about Rubio's offensive deficiences because we gain nothing there and our offense has been good this year. My question is there something in Thib's system that Ricky just can't give defensively? Does Thibs have an athletic threshold to running his system?

Well...in this article it's suggested Thibs is trying to get a draft pick for Rubio from the Knicks. So that's not just giving him away is it? People keep saying Thibs just wants to give him away. It's hard to buy that when the guy plays a ton of minutes and teams wanted to take him off the Wolves hands around the time of the draft. You can't tell me the Sixers wouldn't just absorb Rubio for nothing.

As for Rubio's defense in Thibs system...before last year Rubio was known as a gambler steal junky. He knew how to play defense in general but he was gonna go for steals. Flip had it in his mind to go all out with guys like that with Thad, Rubio and Brewer with a guy like Pek just sorta holding down the fort and rebounding the ball and or Dieng trying to block shots and play his Flip zone. It was an interesting idea but it all feel apart and the season blew up. Sam was respectful but last year he didn't seem to crazy about it.

Last year playing for Sam Rubio played his best defense of his career. There were some media members that weren't full fledged Rubio fan club card members that voted him for all NBA defense at PG. He did his job played smart and took more calculated chances.

This year that Rubio gambler is still there and Thibs wants a connected disciplined effort from all 5 guys. I think Rubio does what he is supposed to do a lot it's just other guys don't. We know Rubio has weaknesses defensively (so I'm not letting the guy off the hook) and if guys aren't doing their job they make it even worse. Why did Rubio seem to play better (numbers were better for him) in Sam's defense last year that he did in Thibs defense this year? Idk. Maybe starting the season off playing with KG and Prince helped him. Maybe still having Prince play legit minutes the whole year was significant. Idk I don't think Rubio's defense is what is making Thibs willing to give him up.

monsterpile wrote:

thedoper wrote:http://www.1500espn.com/wolves-2/2017/02/zulgad-wolves-interest-rose-based-desire-move-rubio/

I have been pretty vocal in my displeasure with Ricky's D particularly this year. I know there are a few others here who share the sentiment but the majority opinion here does seem to be that Ricky is a great defender. I am curious why it seems to be a forgone conclusion by everyone (media) that a defensive minded coach like Thibs has no interest in Rubio if he's a great defender?

It can't be about Rubio's offensive deficiences because we gain nothing there and our offense has been good this year. My question is there something in Thib's system that Ricky just can't give defensively? Does Thibs have an athletic threshold to running his system?

Well...in this article it's suggested Thibs is trying to get a draft pick for Rubio from the Knicks. So that's not just giving him away is it? People keep saying Thibs just wants to give him away. It's hard to buy that when the guy plays a ton of minutes and teams wanted to take him off the Wolves hands around the time of the draft. You can't tell me the Sixers wouldn't just absorb Rubio for nothing.

As for Rubio's defense in Thibs system...before last year Rubio was known as a gambler steal junky. He knew how to play defense in general but he was gonna go for steals. Flip had it in his mind to go all out with guys like that with Thad, Rubio and Brewer with a guy like Pek just sorta holding down the fort and rebounding the ball and or Dieng trying to block shots and play his Flip zone. It was an interesting idea but it all feel apart and the season blew up. Sam was respectful but last year he didn't seem to crazy about it.

Last year playing for Sam Rubio played his best defense of his career. There were some media members that weren't full fledged Rubio fan club card members that voted him for all NBA defense at PG. He did his job played smart and took more calculated chances.

This year that Rubio gambler is still there and Thibs wants a connected disciplined effort from all 5 guys. I think Rubio does what he is supposed to do a lot it's just other guys don't. We know Rubio has weaknesses defensively (so I'm not letting the guy off the hook) and if guys aren't doing their job they make it even worse. Why did Rubio seem to play better (numbers were better for him) in Sam's defense last year that he did in Thibs defense this year? Idk. Maybe starting the season off playing with KG and Prince helped him. Maybe still having Prince play legit minutes the whole year was significant. Idk I don't think Rubio's defense is what is making Thibs willing to give him up.

I think your take is really insightful and your narrative about Rubio's sucess on the defensive end is accurate. But the premise of Thibs and his perspective or assessment of Rubio's D is still confusing to me. There are some here who argue that Rubio is top 5 defense at his position. And there were some in the media like you mention would have backed that up. If this is the case wouldn't Thibs love him? Especially at 12 mil? I don't think there's any way Thibs values his D that much, otherwise why would he give the keys to Dunn? I think his D has to have something to do with it. Because Thibs is handing over the position to another pg who only has D as his calling card.

I don't think they can give Rubio away. But there has been this idea from the beginning that Rubio isn't Thibs' guy. The only other explanation that makes sense to me then is that Rubio himself has wanted out of Minnesota for a while.