Minnesota Sports Forum

khans2k5 wrote:Love literally never had the full support of this organization so he left. That's what you do when your bosses suck and never put their faith in your abilities. Don't give me the we gave him $60 million reasons to get over it bullshit. He's the only max guy in forever to not get the deal he wanted because we had an owner and GM who thought they were the smartest guys in the room while running the worst franchise in the league at the time. In a players league that is an absolute fucking joke. There are only a handful of stars in the league and they get to dictate where they go for the most part and we had one who was willing to sign a 5 year deal and we didn't give it to him. He may not have made it here all 5 years but that was because he like many on the board saw this team's potential was capped around him because it wasn't built correctly and Flip was just trying to do patch jobs to get us better in hopes it would have convinced him to stay. It wouldn't have worked because it takes more than 1 star to win in this league and we had a bunch of the wrong role players around him.


That deal was the straw that broke the camels back because the team around him was garbage and then they gave him an offer that said you still aren't good enough for us. He spent his entire career here with nobody in the organization believing in him until the damage was already done. He gave us a fair chance and our organization failed miserably. Money is not a good enough reason to say he should have put up with all the bullshit and been a good soldier. The Cleveland situation is yet another one where he's being put down because he's not the 3 and D specialist they want him to be. Another example of an organization just not getting it. He's gonna keep leaving until he finds someone who says you're my guy and we're gonna build a winner around you and they actually carry out that promise.

Love may not have liked it in MN, but he gave them every chance to keep him and they repeatedly came back at him with an attitude of you're not good enough so he got out. This situation is 100% the organization's fault and to blame Love for having 1 foot out the door is absurd because that is what every person does at their jobs where they are never supported and told they are not good enough. Only Love was the 5 star prospect every other organization says we'll give you whatever you want because you're one of the best at what you do and let us know what you need to make it work.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:I think it makes Kahn look savvy because Love is demonstrating why he shouldn't be a team's only 5 year max player. Love wanted it, a majority of the fans wanted to see it, but Kahn didn't bend to that pressure. I think you have to give him credit for that one.

But the Wolves don't have anybody even remotely close to getting the designated contract that Love would have had.

Derrick Williams and to a much larger extent, Rubio, flamed out as potential suitors for it. So what was so savvy about alienating the best player in favor of currying favor with lesser players?

Again, it was blind luck years later that makes the decision then look "savvy."

sjm34 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:I think it makes Kahn look savvy because Love is demonstrating why he shouldn't be a team's only 5 year max player. Love wanted it, a majority of the fans wanted to see it, but Kahn didn't bend to that pressure. I think you have to give him credit for that one.

But the Wolves don't have anybody even remotely close to getting the designated contract that Love would have had.

Derrick Williams and to a much larger extent, Rubio, flamed out as potential suitors for it. So what was so savvy about alienating the best player in favor of currying favor with lesser players?

Again, it was blind luck years later that makes the decision then look "savvy."

Abe, I am not so sure to knock Rubio off the list when you look at the difference he makes to the team in an on/off comparison. One could argue that he is more important to the teams success than Love ever was. I am not saying that Ricky is a max guy (not even close), but I think that says more about Love's value, than Ricky's.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

sjm34 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:I think it makes Kahn look savvy because Love is demonstrating why he shouldn't be a team's only 5 year max player. Love wanted it, a majority of the fans wanted to see it, but Kahn didn't bend to that pressure. I think you have to give him credit for that one.

But the Wolves don't have anybody even remotely close to getting the designated contract that Love would have had.

Derrick Williams and to a much larger extent, Rubio, flamed out as potential suitors for it. So what was so savvy about alienating the best player in favor of currying favor with lesser players?

Again, it was blind luck years later that makes the decision then look "savvy."

Abe, I am not so sure to knock Rubio off the list when you look at the difference he makes to the team in an on/off comparison. One could argue that he is more important to the teams success than Love ever was. I am not saying that Ricky is a max guy (not even close), but I think that says more about Love's value, than Ricky's.

Can you post the On/Off numbers for each guy so we can see? I'm lazy.

sjm34 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:Love literally never had the full support of this organization so he left. That's what you do when your bosses suck and never put their faith in your abilities. Don't give me the we gave him $60 million reasons to get over it bullshit. He's the only max guy in forever to not get the deal he wanted because we had an owner and GM who thought they were the smartest guys in the room while running the worst franchise in the league at the time. In a players league that is an absolute fucking joke. There are only a handful of stars in the league and they get to dictate where they go for the most part and we had one who was willing to sign a 5 year deal and we didn't give it to him. He may not have made it here all 5 years but that was because he like many on the board saw this team's potential was capped around him because it wasn't built correctly and Flip was just trying to do patch jobs to get us better in hopes it would have convinced him to stay. It wouldn't have worked because it takes more than 1 star to win in this league and we had a bunch of the wrong role players around him.


That deal was the straw that broke the camels back because the team around him was garbage and then they gave him an offer that said you still aren't good enough for us. He spent his entire career here with nobody in the organization believing in him until the damage was already done. He gave us a fair chance and our organization failed miserably. Money is not a good enough reason to say he should have put up with all the bullshit and been a good soldier. The Cleveland situation is yet another one where he's being put down because he's not the 3 and D specialist they want him to be. Another example of an organization just not getting it. He's gonna keep leaving until he finds someone who says you're my guy and we're gonna build a winner around you and they actually carry out that promise.

Love may not have liked it in MN, but he gave them every chance to keep him and they repeatedly came back at him with an attitude of you're not good enough so he got out. This situation is 100% the organization's fault and to blame Love for having 1 foot out the door is absurd because that is what every person does at their jobs where they are never supported and told they are not good enough. Only Love was the 5 star prospect every other organization says we'll give you whatever you want because you're one of the best at what you do and let us know what you need to make it work.

Didn't have the full support???

They brought in Rick Adelman and blew up their rebuilding plan in favor of trying to make the playoffs, which completely screwed up the team moving forward. Then a year after maxing out the cap with those valuable vets, Love demands a trade.

OKC refused to give Harden the max salary for four years, and he looks like a much better player than Love going forward. Curry didn't get anywhere close to a max deal because he had an injury history (not that different from Love's). Just being a team's best player doesn't mean you are a max player. If anything, Love has proven Kahn right in his decision, and all the cry baby crap means nothing in the end. You are either a winner or a whiner, and we know which applies to Love.

sjm34 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

Didn't have the full support???

They brought in Rick Adelman and blew up their rebuilding plan in favor of trying to make the playoffs, which completely screwed up the team moving forward. Then a year after maxing out the cap with those valuable vets, Love demands a trade.

OKC refused to give Harden the max salary for four years, and he looks like a much better player than Love going forward. Curry didn't get anywhere close to a max deal because he had an injury history (not that different from Love's). Just being a team's best player doesn't mean you are a max player. If anything, Love has proven Kahn right in his decision, and all the cry baby crap means nothing in the end. You are either a winner or a whiner, and we know which applies to Love.

sjm34 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

sjm34 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:I think it makes Kahn look savvy because Love is demonstrating why he shouldn't be a team's only 5 year max player. Love wanted it, a majority of the fans wanted to see it, but Kahn didn't bend to that pressure. I think you have to give him credit for that one.

But the Wolves don't have anybody even remotely close to getting the designated contract that Love would have had.

Derrick Williams and to a much larger extent, Rubio, flamed out as potential suitors for it. So what was so savvy about alienating the best player in favor of currying favor with lesser players?

Again, it was blind luck years later that makes the decision then look "savvy."

Abe, I am not so sure to knock Rubio off the list when you look at the difference he makes to the team in an on/off comparison. One could argue that he is more important to the teams success than Love ever was. I am not saying that Ricky is a max guy (not even close), but I think that says more about Love's value, than Ricky's.

Can you post the On/Off numbers for each guy so we can see? I'm lazy.

I am as well, but I do remember Ricky's rookie season, and this team playing around the .500 mark until Ricky went down and then they completely tanked the rest of the season with Adelman trying to win every game. I remember pointing out that Rambis had about the same winning percentage the year before compared to Adelman without Ricky.

The wolves posted 31 wins the following season without Love for most of it, and having several other injuries as well.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:I don't look at it like - Love is the best we have so he should get a 5 year max. You either deserve it or you don't. It really doesn't matter how good you are relative to the other stiffs on your roster. Kahn did it at the time to maintain flexibility moving forward. And this flexibility plays at least a part in our latest rebuilding effort.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:I don't look at it like - Love is the best we have so he should get a 5 year max. You either deserve it or you don't. It really doesn't matter how good you are relative to the other stiffs on your roster. Kahn did it at the time to maintain flexibility moving forward. And this flexibility plays at least a part in our latest rebuilding effort.