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khans2k5 wrote:If it is too early to know for sure, why does every bad game he has spark a multiple page thread about why he isn't going to be a star? I have yet to read about a red flag that is actually worrisome 20 games into his career. He has already put together a couple very good games. If we get to the end of the year and he slumps the rest of the way then it is a red flag. Not showing enough dominating performances to this point to signify his future potential is all opinion. I've seen enough to not be worried or question him yet. Obviously a lot of you haven't and that is why these threads pop up weekly. All I can say is at this point is it is beating a dead horse until the All-Star break minimum. If you read the article that was posted earlier it said his previous 4 games before his recent slump, he averaged 18 PPG. That is on par with a lot of guys mentioned in this thread so he has it, it just hasn't had the frequency yet most of you seem to have expected.

This post is too reasonable. Either he is Michael Jordan or Olawakandi. Pick now.

Why does doper get so upset and start making stuff up whenever this topic comes up?

"Also Davis was a once in a generational talent coming into the draft and nobody was saying that about Wiggins. AD was getting Duncan comparisons out of the gate. I don't remember Wiggins getting HOF level comparisons."

Talking out of your ass here, khans. Wiggins has been talked about since he was a 16-year old in Canada. Athletic phenom. Once in a generation physical tools. The kid who impressed LeBron immensely at his own camp. A well recognized name among all basketball venues well before he ever went to Kansas let alone the NBA. You don't remember the HOF level comparisons? The most used was Tracy McGrady, and to a more ridiculous extreme, Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan, but mainly McGrady.

And please stop acting like Wiggins is a top notch defender already. It's a false narrative. You make it seem like he's only getting beat by the best scorers in the game. That's not true. He's willing and has all the tools, but hasn't put it together yet. Also, has anybody noticed that he's letting guys shoot over him now without a contest? Scared that he'll bite on a pump and foul the shooter on his way down. Weak.

"If you read the article that was posted earlier it said his previous 4 games before his recent slump, he averaged 18 PPG."

Four games? Two of them he shot under 40% from the floor. He must have really been cookin' from 18-feet out..

You'd think Wiggins was pulled straight out of the garbage can with the way you talk about him Cam. At this point I don't see how you aren't rooting against him to succeed because of how aggressively you put him down and try to down play what he can become. I guess I shouldn't be surprised with you though because you've always been quick on the trigger to evaluate players. I guess Parker and Stauskas are garbage also because they haven't been any more impressive than Wiggins to date and they both came into the league with polished offensive games. You're capping his potential 20 games into his career. I'm glad you aren't a scout for the Wolves or we'd be running through young players left and right because they aren't wowing you enough 20 games into their careers.

Wiggins and Young are the two guys most hurt by Rubio's absence, whereas Zach has benefited the most. I think we need to see how Wiggins (and Young) perform once Rubio returns. It will also be interesting to see if Zach has developed enough to earn minutes in the regular rotation, which might not be too difficult if Martin is still out.

I'm still very high on Wiggins, even though his performance thus far is fodder for lowering his ceiling. Has his ceiling come down so far that people here would be willing to trade him for someone like Wes Matthews? (I would not be one of them)

60WinTim wrote:Wiggins and Young are the two guys most hurt by Rubio's absence, whereas Zach has benefited the most. I think we need to see how Wiggins (and Young) perform once Rubio returns. It will also be interesting to see if Zach has developed enough to earn minutes in the regular rotation, which might not be too difficult if Martin is still out.

I'm still very high on Wiggins, even though his performance thus far is fodder for lowering his ceiling. Has his ceiling come down so far that people here would be willing to trade him for someone like Wes Matthews? (I would not be one of them)

Tim... Target Center would host comparative crowds to Eden Prairie high school ball if that deal went down.

Fans were sold on the PROMISE of hope with Andrew Wiggins. And, I think nearly every fan is still buying that promise. (Which is a godsend for the league's worst franchise of the past decade to STILL have that much goodwill.)

The Wolves still have time. Wiggins still has time. This season is a lost one. So we start anew in 2015. The crazy thing is we still won't even know how good the team's "star player" is for sure, after four years in the league.

There's only one given that we do know...

IF Wiggins doesn't pan out or IF the Wolves still stink, Flip Saunders the Coach gets sacrificed by Flip Saunders the GM. What a coup that guy pulled. "I know we've stunk, but I was doing double-duty! Don't judge me as GM when I had to coach too. Judge me as GM from this point forward." (Saunders 2016).

khans2k5 wrote:You'd think Wiggins was pulled straight out of the garbage can with the way you talk about him Cam. At this point I don't see how you aren't rooting against him to succeed because of how aggressively you put him down and try to down play what he can become. I guess I shouldn't be surprised with you though because you've always been quick on the trigger to evaluate players. I guess Parker and Stauskas are garbage also because they haven't been any more impressive than Wiggins to date and they both came into the league with polished offensive games. You're capping his potential 20 games into his career. I'm glad you aren't a scout for the Wolves or we'd be running through young players left and right because they aren't wowing you enough 20 games into their careers.

Maybe I hold No. 1 picks to a higher level of play then you do. I expect to see consistent effort with signs of stardom. I haven't seen that from Wiggins. If he was picked 20th, then my opinion of him might be different. That's not the case, though. He's the prospect that was the centerpiece of the Kevin Love trade. Perhaps my standards of top picks are too high? Or perhaps he was your guy pre-draft and you're blinded by hype and personal opinion.

You say I'm too quick on my evaluations. Why do you say that? Because of my opinions on Wiggins and Bennett? Those are the only two that you get pissy about with me. I've brought up Waiters, Hardaway, Henson, Oladipo, Butler (before this year) and others as guys that I like a lot, but apparently I don't let players evolve... More nonsense, khans. It's player by player case. And I'm not thrilled with Stauskas to this point either, just so you know.

Also, when did I cap anybody's potential? I've been very consistent in saying Wiggins has a high ceiling due to great physical tools. Now you're trying to put words that I never said. Am I impressed with him? Nope, and I've said my reasons why. Am I sure that he'll ever reach his ceiling as a player? Hell no. I can't call him a for sure star like you, doper, LST, world and others have.

Most of u felt like u had a good handle on Shabazz as a player . Lo n behold 2 years later he's lookin like a keeper..
Why does everyone hug Rubios nuts and are so easy to hate on everyone else??? Sharpton would have a field day with u guys!!!! Lol

I remember saying I preferred a deal with Chicago for Butler and Mirotic. I am trying to support the Wiggin's package, but it is certainly getting harder as the year goes on.

Anyways back to my question.

Wiggin's per game avg: 30.7 min, 12.0 pts, 4.0 reb, 1.3 Assts 38% FG 36% 3P
Player B per game avg: 24.8 min, 13.9 pts, 5.4 reb, 1.0 Assts 47% FG 40% 3P
Player C per game avg: 25.4 min, 9.2 pts, 4.1 reb, 1.2 Assts 43% FG 36% 3P

Player B was Beasley
Player C was Barnes

Paul Geoge's stats are close to Wiggins in his second year. so there certainly is hope but I don't think playing Wiggins 30+ minutes a night is going to help his development. I would rather see him play hard for 24 minutes a night and expand it as he shows he can handle it.