Camden wrote:Are you guys banking that we'll get the No. 1 pick and that's it from Cleveland? I'm only asking to see where you all are at.
No. 1, Waiters and Thompson is where I'm at.
Cam -- I'm not banking on it, but I'm hoping for it. To me, that would be the ideal realistic deal for Love. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Pretty much agreed here. The number 1 pick and trade with cleveland is the best trade for us by a mile. We get wiggins/parker/embiid in their rookie deals. Wont have any cap killing contract in return.
I dont really mind if we get waiter and thompson in return. Even 1 of them would be nice or a combination of varejao, gee and bennet would do. The number 1 pick is the price here.
Referring to the possibility that his son might be traded to the Wolves for Love, Klay Thompson's father said: "And since this guy told me that this is really close to happening, it just kind of depressed me. If this [deal] happens, I'm going to have to talk him [Klay] down off the ledge."
Honestly, I don't want to give up Love for someone who isn't excited to be coming here. I'm also concerned that Klay has only one year left on his current contract amidst reports that he will be seeking/expecting a max deal. However, after this upcoming season, Klay will be a restricted free agent and the Wolves will have the right to match any offer. Still, I'd rather have #1, Tristin Thompson and Waiters for Love and Martin. All of those guys would be thrilled to come here and highly motivated.
lipoli390 wrote:Referring to the possibility that his son might be traded to the Wolves for Love, Klay Thompson's father said: "And since this guy told me that this is really close to happening, it just kind of depressed me. If this [deal] happens, I'm going to have to talk him [Klay] down off the ledge."
Honestly, I don't want to give up Love for someone who isn't excited to be coming here. I'm also concerned that Klay has only one year left on his current contract amidst reports that he will be seeking/expecting a max deal. However, after this upcoming season, Klay will be a restricted free agent and the Wolves will have the right to match any offer. Still, I'd rather have #1, Tristin Thompson and Waiters for Love and Martin. All of those guys would be thrilled to come here and highly motivated.
That comment from klay's father certainly sours me. Didnt he play for the gophers? Having someone who dont want to be here and is an impending free agent who would demand near max money is not an ideal situation for us. Lee's contract would hamper us for 2 seasons and lack of picks certainly wont help.
Cavs deal is the best all along. I suspect flip knows it and the cavs know it also. Thats why the cavs wont be calling us anytime soon. They will wait it out and so will flip. If ever serious conversations with cavs will happen, it will be a few days before draft day. Dont think cavs will offer us waiters and thompson and number 1. They probably start with 1 of them plus bennet and gee or even gee,bennet and varejao. Il take a deal with them even without waiters and thompson. Remember, the cavs want to be competitive as well after landing love, so cant see them trading away many assets to us. The number 1 pick is the price and goal here.
Doesn't it make TOO MUCH sense for the Cavs and Wolves to pull this off? I get the #1 pick is the #1 pick, but honestly the Cavs have a chance to add a guaranteed top 5 player and lock him up for 5 years. It would actually surprise me if they DON'T offer the pick sooner or later...
...(And hopefully sooner, since you know, Flip needs to scout and decide Parker vs. Wiggins)
zigzag22 wrote:Doesn't it make TOO MUCH sense for the Cavs and Wolves to pull this off? I get the #1 pick is the #1 pick, but honestly the Cavs have a chance to add a guaranteed top 5 player and lock him up for 5 years. It would actually surprise me if they DON'T offer the pick sooner or later...
...(And hopefully sooner, since you know, Flip needs to scout and decide Parker vs. Wiggins)
Cavs wont offer it sooner I believe. its a chess match now. Cavs know they have the best deal for us and flip knows cavs is the best trade partner.
It will be who call who first, since the one who call first will be in a weaker position.
Cavs wont want to include waiters and tristan along with the pick. They will be looking to be a contender if they get love. Waiters and tristan are valuable assets they could use to get stronger. The wolves will probably asks for both. Ive said it multiple times already, the number 1 pick is the price. I would be happy to get 1 of watiers or tristan and wont mind if we dont get either. Bennet intrigues me and gee or varejao along with the pick will do. Cavs will be more agreeable if we dont take away all their valuable assets. Love and irving wont be enough. They need to fill out the roster as well.
* The 13th pick will not be in play. That makes no sense and is merely a negotiating tactic from Golden State.
* I am not surprised to hear Klay would be upset since he probably wants to play with his buddy Love and most young players are upset when they are traded for the first time. Hell, Marcus Banks locked himself in a room and balled his eyes out when the Wolves signed Mike James instead of him. He'll be fine when Ricky is setting him up for more shots than he can handle.
* I am hoping that the negotiations lead to a point where Harrison Barnes is included...and subsequently moved for a different piece, for instance to Phoenix for one of their 3 first rounders.
* I have never seriously considered that the number one pick is in play and I still do not.
* I am in favor of this trade and think Klay and Lee and whatever else will be able to keep the Wolves on their upward trajectory especially with better perimeter D and better team defensive schemes (from Flip). Getting the ball into Rubio's hands at the end of a game, on the move, penetrating into the defense is a much better option than handing it off to Love 30 feet from the hoop for a long bomb. Those 2 changes will turn those close losses into more wins.
I feel like Cleveland will only come as close to trading the #1 as they are confident they can get LeBron.
I generally prefer proven players, but if we could get Jabari Parker (who looks to be more of a sure thing AND have a higher ceiling--seriously, check out his range of skills at his size) and also get a player like Thompson or Waiters or Bennett, I think that deal's worth it because I think Parker is going to be really good.
I'd hate to be the team that gifted Love with LeBron though.
Otherwise, Klay and Lee would be pretty good. Obviously, we're not getting value on the dollar here. That doesn't happen with stars. But these deals would at least give us something to look forward to if we're going to lose him anyway. Seems inevitable at this point.
I think the Cavs are going to wait until Parker finishes his workout tomorrow and if he doesn't blow them away, I would fully expect for Flip to start getting calls from them. Nothing really changed in a year for Waiters and Thompson, so I don't get why this year's #1 is the deal breaker and last years they couldn't give away. With Embiid being pretty much out for number 1 with the injury and Wiggins giving Cleveland a good but not great workout according to reports, I would expect they are starting to get backed into a corner to make a deal. Jabari is the only guy left that can blow them away and his defensive impact would be the same as Love's except Love is by far the superior offensive talent at this point because he has been doing it against NBA competition for years whereas Parker is still going to have an adjustment period. For a team looking to make the playoffs and possibly convince Lebron to come home, that could be a big difference maker. I don't think you can go wrong with Wiggins or Parker on this team and we would still have another lottery pick to add to the fold. I really hope we don't just ditch Martin for the sake of dumping his salary when a guy like Bud is a better salary dump. Martin would be a great bench scorer for us whereas Bazz will be able to do everything Bud can do on both ends of the court.
Hicks: You seem like a good contributor, but if you call Klay Thompson a marginal defender at best (or anything resembling that) then you're not watching very carefully. He's a very good defender, he has good size, is young and coming off a first contract unlike Love, and is an ideal 2 guard next to Rubio. In fact, I think Klay Thompson might be the most ideal shooting guard in the league to pair with Rubio. Kobe is a better player, but requires the ball in his hands, as an example, while Klay does not. (let me be clear with that I'm not comparing Klay to Kobe, I'm comparing the fit) There is no way anyone could make a solid argument that Klay is Martin 2.0. If that were true, the Warriors wouldn't have flinched on adding him from the beginning, and it wouldn't be the key piece to the trade. I've always been a Kevin Martin fan, but noone has ever denied that he's a sieve on defense. Him and Klay are night and day in that comparison.
To everyone who's stating Wolves should trade for #1 overall. I think Flip would likely pull the trigger on it if it was offered...however I think the Cavs have come to the conclusion they're going to go the safe route (picking at #1) rather than gambling that they can retain Love. Let's face it, the key to that deal would be getting LeBron to join them with Love and Irving to make them an instant contender/favorite in the East.
zigzag, Love to the Cavs is not obvious at all. If they were guaranteed Love would extend his contract, then it would be a much less ambitious decision for them to make. It's an all of nothing move for Cleveland. Best case, they get their big 3 and contend instantly. Worst case, they trade #1 overall, that player becomes a superstar from arguably the best draft since the LeBron/Darko/Melo/Bosh/Wade/Kaman draft (or perhaps the Love/Rose/Westbrook draft) while Love ends up being a one year rental and they end up in the perennial basement. Definitely the team with the most to risk of all teams that have considered trading for Love.
I agree with most of what Phenom said, although I think that Cleveland had contemplated floating #1 for Love, but I don't assume it was ever offered.
I also agree that there's no way we include #13 to Golden State.
And I also believe that it's not overly concerning that Klay wouldn't be pumped to come here. After all, he was on a high flying playoff contender with tons of SportsCenter action and he'd be coming to a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 10 years. To Lip's point, the only players that would be excited to come into this situation would be ones who are in worse situations (i.e. the Cavs players that Lip mentioned). But fortunately, Klay is still on his rookie contract which means we'd have several years to form a team that would compete. Plus, I bet he'd grow to like being set up by Rubio.
