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papalrep wrote:Clay is not coming. Period

worldK wrote:I keep hearing phoenix mentioned as a potential destination for love. Outside of dragic and green, they dont really have as much as other teams have to offer. I love dragic as a player and I can see him playing together with rubio in the backcourt but it doesnt seem to be the right trade for me. They have multiple picks and we owe them one but I dont think its high enough.

Can someone post a proposed phoenix trade that is actually good for us and better than the ones that are being discussed?

longstrangetrip wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:Also, in response to the Powers article. What quality free agent would come to Minnesota without Love? All getting cap space is going to do is pay unproven guys too much money in hopes they pan out, aka the Wolves with Darko, Beasley, JJ, etc. Money should mean nothing to a loser franchise like we have been because nobody is coming here for what they are actually worth once Love leaves. Cap space doesn't build contenders in small markets. Draft picks do. I'm tired of these arguments that him leaving for nothing is a good option if any top 10 picks are on the table for him. Guess what you'll have to do anyway if he leaves, draft well. Why not give yourself more picks to try to be successful than get less picks and have to hit a higher percentage to be successful? How would making the playoffs for one year and then Love leaving be better for the franchise than trying to setup the team to make consecutive playoffs long-term? That just seems like a cash grab and stupid move for any franchise to make. 1 year is not enough to make-up for 10 so why is that being seen as a viable option over trying to build something long-term that can payoff more than once?

About the drafting well part, do you really trust Flip to do that? If he doesn't do well at it, he's not gonna fire himself. And Glen sure as hell won't do it

Although I'm assuming the role of board pessimist (realist?) with respect to Kevin Love offers, I'm going to continue to defend Flip's drafting until he does it wrong. It seems to me that we sometimes confuse Flip with the lawyer/sportswriter with the mole on his face who didn't understand drafting. Flip understands the draft, and proved it by passing on CJ McCollum (who finished the year unable to get off of Portland's bench because of inconsistency on offense and matador defense), and instead taking Muhammad and Dieng. He nailed the 2013 draft, and that being my only draft experience with Flip, I expect him to do it again this year in a better draft.

I also don't agree with your assertion that Glen won't fire Flip if he drafts poorly. Glen fired Flip once before when he wasn't even performing that poorly, and fired Flip's predecessor for drafting poorly. Glen wants a winner here as badly as we do, and is not going to tolerate any bad moves by Flip. And Flip's piddly .5% ownership interest will have nothing to do with Glen's decision...it's only going to be about Flip's performance.

Camden wrote:

worldK wrote:I keep hearing phoenix mentioned as a potential destination for love. Outside of dragic and green, they dont really have as much as other teams have to offer. I love dragic as a player and I can see him playing together with rubio in the backcourt but it doesnt seem to be the right trade for me. They have multiple picks and we owe them one but I dont think its high enough.

Can someone post a proposed phoenix trade that is actually good for us and better than the ones that are being discussed?

Dragic, Morris, Morris, 2015 LA 1st, No. 14 pick for Love and a filler (not Martin).

It's not the perfect trade, but it's not terrible value at all. Plus I think that LA pick is going to be top-five.

Camden wrote:

worldK wrote:I keep hearing phoenix mentioned as a potential destination for love. Outside of dragic and green, they dont really have as much as other teams have to offer. I love dragic as a player and I can see him playing together with rubio in the backcourt but it doesnt seem to be the right trade for me. They have multiple picks and we owe them one but I dont think its high enough.

Can someone post a proposed phoenix trade that is actually good for us and better than the ones that are being discussed?

Dragic, Morris, Morris, 2015 LA 1st, No. 14 pick for Love and a filler (not Martin).

It's not the perfect trade, but it's not terrible value at all. Plus I think that LA pick is going to be top-five.

worldK wrote:I keep hearing phoenix mentioned as a potential destination for love. Outside of dragic and green, they dont really have as much as other teams have to offer. I love dragic as a player and I can see him playing together with rubio in the backcourt but it doesnt seem to be the right trade for me. They have multiple picks and we owe them one but I dont think its high enough.

Can someone post a proposed phoenix trade that is actually good for us and better than the ones that are being discussed?