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Re: My Summer Wish For Kevin Love
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:05 pm
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
Anyone think the Magic would be interested in Love? We could do Love, JJ and 13 for the Nelson and AA expirings and 4 and 12 picks. Then you hope someone sneaks into the top 3 and Wiggins/Embiid/Parker drop to 4. Otherwise you can take Vonleh at 4 to replace Love.
Ricky/Nelson
AA/Martin
Bazz/Brewer/Bud
Vonleh
Pek/Dieng
That still leaves pick 12 to fill whatever hole you want. Maybe take a flier on a Levine and give him time to develop in the D League for a year and eventually be a combo guard as a sparkplug off the bench. Maybe one of the SG's drop to this point and you take them to be an eventual successor at the position. I think you could flip AA or Martin to a contender for another pick. The main play here is to give us a shot at one of the top 3 guys while keeping us in position to get Love's replacement if none of them drop to us. Orlando is still in position to get a good PG in the draft to go with Dipo, Harris, Love and Vucevic. I don't know if they would be interested, but that team could certainly put up the wins needed in the East to make the playoffs which could make Love want to stay. Just another option to think about.
Re: My Summer Wish For Kevin Love
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:46 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
Any deal with the Magic is going to include Oladipo for me.
Re: My Summer Wish For Kevin Love
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:14 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
ORL: Victor Oladipo, Jameer Nelson, Andrew Nicholson, No. 4, No. 12
MIN: Kevin Love, No. 13
4: Jabari Parker (Exum/Vonleh jump to top-three; wishful thinking)
12: Nik Stauskas (Gets passed Charlotte)
PG: Rubio (Nelson)
SG: Oladipo (Stauskas)
SF: Brewer (Muhammad)
PF: Parker (Nicholson)
C: Pekovic (Dieng)
Martin, Budinger on the trade block. Could use Martin + 12 to move up.
Edit: Orlando keeps Afflalo since he's a "win now" type player. They'd have to fill their PG spot via draft (Ennis/Payton) or sign on in free agency, but otherwise I like the lineup they'd send out.
PG: Payton
SG: Afflalo
SF: Harkless
PF: Love
C: Vucevic
6th: Harris
Easily a playoff team in the East. Could be top-6 seed depending on the moves after a Love trade.
Re: My Summer Wish For Kevin Love
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:08 am
by mjs34
Maybe I am missing something, but I think Vonleh is going to be a bust. I would rather have Randle or Gordon.
Re: My Summer Wish For Kevin Love
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:26 am
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
sjm34 wrote:Maybe I am missing something, but I think Vonleh is going to be a bust. I would rather have Randle or Gordon.
I agree. I'm much higher on Randle than I am Vonleh. Also, I think Gordon best projects as a SF in the NBA. I've remained the same on that front.
Re: My Summer Wish For Kevin Love
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:40 am
by alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]
khans2k5 wrote:Anyone think the Magic would be interested in Love? We could do Love, JJ and 13 for the Nelson and AA expirings and 4 and 12 picks. Then you hope someone sneaks into the top 3 and Wiggins/Embiid/Parker drop to 4. Otherwise you can take Vonleh at 4 to replace Love.
After Dwight Howard, I doubt the Magic are eager to go down the same path with Love
Re: My Summer Wish For Kevin Love
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:01 pm
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
Vonleh is going to be better than Gordon and Randle. Randle is going to struggle to score against NBA length and right now he can only go left. He's also not going to be very helpful on defense outside of rebounding because he is not a big jumper and he is short for a 4 to begin with. Gordon is a 3. They can say he is a 4, but his game is going to look a lot like AK out of the gate. His ability to guard wings because of his elite athleticism is going to be his calling card. Vonleh is the only one with great 2 way potential. He is very long and very skilled offensively. The argument essentially comes down to Bosh v Randolph because that is who each of them will play like at the next level. Bosh has always been the better player, so I'll take his comparable player over Randolph. A Dieng/Vonleh front court is very long and athletic and both of them can stretch the floor to the elbow (Vonleh might be able to stretch it to the 3 point line someday). Flip wants two way players and Vonleh is that guy, not Randle or Gordon. It would be a moot point though if one of the big 3 drops to the 4th pick because we would take that guy over any of the 4's.
Re: My Summer Wish For Kevin Love
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:17 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
I'd rather go with Smart over Vonleh or Randle, to be honest. I like his two-way ability and star projection much more than Vonleh, and I think he has the right mentality/makeup. I realize the Wade comparison gets thrown out a lot, but Smart's ability to create TOs (steals + blocks), operate in the post and drive to the rim with reckless abandon while also having the handle to set up teammates. It's very Wade-like. Both stocky/strong guards as well.
If Parker slips because of tweener, defensive questions it's a no-brainer for me.
Re: My Summer Wish For Kevin Love
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:23 pm
by mjs34
khans2k5 wrote:Vonleh is going to be better than Gordon and Randle. Randle is going to struggle to score against NBA length and right now he can only go left. He's also not going to be very helpful on defense outside of rebounding because he is not a big jumper and he is short for a 4 to begin with. Gordon is a 3. They can say he is a 4, but his game is going to look a lot like AK out of the gate. His ability to guard wings because of his elite athleticism is going to be his calling card. Vonleh is the only one with great 2 way potential. He is very long and very skilled offensively. The argument essentially comes down to Bosh v Randolph because that is who each of them will play like at the next level. Bosh has always been the better player, so I'll take his comparable player over Randolph. A Dieng/Vonleh front court is very long and athletic and both of them can stretch the floor to the elbow (Vonleh might be able to stretch it to the 3 point line someday). Flip wants two way players and Vonleh is that guy, not Randle or Gordon. It would be a moot point though if one of the big 3 drops to the 4th pick because we would take that guy over any of the 4's.
I get your argument Khan, and I think the comparison of Randle to Randolph is a good one. That is why I don't see him struggling to score. The guy is a grinder from what I have watched, and I think those guys tend to succeed. He had no problem scoring in college, and I see no reason for his game not to translate. Randle is only a 1/4 inch shorter than Vonleh, although he gives up a lot in wingspan.
Gordon is a tweener, but a good one. I see him playing next to an offensive sf/pf, and guarding the better player. While he is a little smaller, his athleticism will allow him to make plays at either spot. I think Gordon has Griffin potential.
I don't know if I can put my finger on it, but Vonleh just seems a little soft, or unmotivated when I have watched him play. I am not sure if he can handle the mental part of the game at the next level. I could be completely off base, but it is just a feeling I get from him. Maybe his athleticism will be enough to get him over the hump.
Re: My Summer Wish For Kevin Love
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:46 pm
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
The one thing I'll say about the soft argument is guys like Bosh and Dirk have been soft their entire careers. That's why they haven't really been double-double machines like the Love's and Randolph's. The difference is their overall skill makes up for being soft. They can't/won't bang in the post, but they can still score the same as and often times more than the Love's and Randolph's because of that skill. I understand the soft argument, but a guy like Bosh is still able to protect the rim for the Heat and he stretches the floor to make Lebron's job a million times easier. Sometimes soft bigs end up being better players than bangers because they just have more skill and it makes them just as unguardable while prolonging their careers due to having less wear and tear. I just think Vonleh is one of those guys who is going to have the level of skill that will allow him to still be effective while being soft.