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lipoli390 wrote:

apollotsg wrote:Woke up to this mess. I am disappointed, I was sold on Towns leaks on what was going to happen and Rosas comments along with all the players talking about the Timberwolves making noise. I disagree with everyone saying Russel would not have made the difference - I think he changes the franchise for the next 5 years in a significantly positive way. And then...

Rosa clearly had a deal with someone that was ready - rumor is it was Dal, who got involved with MIA and then our deal died. Then the MIA deal died - so is DAL messing with other teams? As of this morning, DAL is NOT getting Wiggins or any player from MIA. I know there is bad blood between DAL and HOU, could this be some strange messing with Rosa over HOU history stuff?

Prior to MIA or DAL or however the deal fell apart - Wiggins was told - I am assuming Rosa felt 100% that he was going to be moved - it didn't happen.

Towns has been telling the world and more than he had this done - his Instagram post shows he thought it was done - so what happened?

So this morning we wake up with the same team we had last week. But Towns and Rosa have to go look at Wiggins - not sure how that works - like someone else said, maybe he will be pissed - who cares he cant give less effort. I think Towns looks like the biggest loser here - he recruited his best friend, had a party in a suit with him after agreeing to the max with us and then partied it up until Roas made room - clearly, his agent had some backup plans. How does your BFF agree to a deal in the night and by morning you tell him sorry but you changed your mind?

Good post. Yep, I'd say that Rosas and Towns both look pretty bad here. I'm still not sure what happened and I'm interesting in learning exactly what went down. What we're hearing is that the Wolves had a cap-clearing deal in place but Russell changed his mind and decided to go to the Warriors. Hmm. Maybe that's true. If so, I'm glad we aren't stuck with him on a max deal. But I'm not convinced yet by that story line. I'm still wondering whether the Wolves failed to put a deal together. We should find out from Jon K or someone in the next few weeks. Meanwhile, Wolves fans can't help but be disappointed. And now Rosas, Towns and Saunders will have to deal with the aftermath -- Wiggins and Teague feeling unwanted, Towns embarrassed and dejected and Rosas rightly embarrassed.

As for Rosas, he's now 0-2 measured against his own goals. He wanted Garland, but couldn't get him. Then he wanted Russell and couldn't get him. In both cases, the whole world knew what Rosas wanted and in both cases he came close but fell short. Not a good start. Rosas said he would do things differently. Well, maybe he has or maybe he hasn't. But one thing for sure - the results are the same.

This is somewhat in contrast to Thibs who in his 2nd full season on the job got a heck of a haul in that offseason. Butler was a HUGE get (even if you don't agree with the deal) and Teague and Taj were good free agent additions as players (price was high). The bad news was it didn't work out unless you could making the playoffs as success.

To me the difference is Rosas is known as a personal guy supposedly he and Towns have really hit it off. Ryan the coach is a guy that's known as a relationship guy with a connection to these players. The previous guys running this team was Thibs and Layden... Even if you aren't sure about Rosas it's pretty easy to see more potential of patching things up from this group. It's also possible they aren't done and a move of some sort can still be made. Thibs just told his guys to get back to work. I'd guess Rosas will have a more delicate way of going about it.

lipoli390 wrote:

apollotsg wrote:Woke up to this mess. I am disappointed, I was sold on Towns leaks on what was going to happen and Rosas comments along with all the players talking about the Timberwolves making noise. I disagree with everyone saying Russel would not have made the difference - I think he changes the franchise for the next 5 years in a significantly positive way. And then...

Rosa clearly had a deal with someone that was ready - rumor is it was Dal, who got involved with MIA and then our deal died. Then the MIA deal died - so is DAL messing with other teams? As of this morning, DAL is NOT getting Wiggins or any player from MIA. I know there is bad blood between DAL and HOU, could this be some strange messing with Rosa over HOU history stuff?

Prior to MIA or DAL or however the deal fell apart - Wiggins was told - I am assuming Rosa felt 100% that he was going to be moved - it didn't happen.

Towns has been telling the world and more than he had this done - his Instagram post shows he thought it was done - so what happened?

So this morning we wake up with the same team we had last week. But Towns and Rosa have to go look at Wiggins - not sure how that works - like someone else said, maybe he will be pissed - who cares he cant give less effort. I think Towns looks like the biggest loser here - he recruited his best friend, had a party in a suit with him after agreeing to the max with us and then partied it up until Roas made room - clearly, his agent had some backup plans. How does your BFF agree to a deal in the night and by morning you tell him sorry but you changed your mind?

Good post. Yep, I'd say that Rosas and Towns both look pretty bad here. I'm still not sure what happened and I'm interesting in learning exactly what went down. What we're hearing is that the Wolves had a cap-clearing deal in place but Russell changed his mind and decided to go to the Warriors. Hmm. Maybe that's true. If so, I'm glad we aren't stuck with him on a max deal. But I'm not convinced yet by that story line. I'm still wondering whether the Wolves failed to put a deal together. We should find out from Jon K or someone in the next few weeks. Meanwhile, Wolves fans can't help but be disappointed. And now Rosas, Towns and Saunders will have to deal with the aftermath -- Wiggins and Teague feeling unwanted, Towns embarrassed and dejected and Rosas rightly embarrassed.

As for Rosas, he's now 0-2 measured against his own goals. He wanted Garland, but couldn't get him. Then he wanted Russell and couldn't get him. In both cases, the whole world knew what Rosas wanted and in both cases he came close but fell short. Not a good start. Rosas said he would do things differently. Well, maybe he has or maybe he hasn't. But one thing for sure - the results are the same.

I agree lip. I dont 100% buy into the whole dlo change his mind after agreeing. That should be what the wolves are telling people to save face but the fact remains that whatever cap clearing move didnt happen. Seeing how fast free agency moved and how many deals were made, there doesnt seem to be a clear path in clearing cap space.

We would probably never know the true story for now. If I have to guess, rosas probably has deals lineup but those deals were mostly plan B and plan C for other teams. When those teams got their preferred scenarios, rosas was left with nothing. If I were a rival executive, il probably let rosas on a bit and show interest in wiggins or whatever to see what he is planning and how to move around it. That is most likely what happened in my view. Whatever deals rosas have lined up were secondary or 3rd options for other teams. Russel did not want to wait further judging by how fast things were going and how the wolves still didnt pull whatever trigger they were lining up.

worldK wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

apollotsg wrote:Woke up to this mess. I am disappointed, I was sold on Towns leaks on what was going to happen and Rosas comments along with all the players talking about the Timberwolves making noise. I disagree with everyone saying Russel would not have made the difference - I think he changes the franchise for the next 5 years in a significantly positive way. And then...

Rosa clearly had a deal with someone that was ready - rumor is it was Dal, who got involved with MIA and then our deal died. Then the MIA deal died - so is DAL messing with other teams? As of this morning, DAL is NOT getting Wiggins or any player from MIA. I know there is bad blood between DAL and HOU, could this be some strange messing with Rosa over HOU history stuff?

Prior to MIA or DAL or however the deal fell apart - Wiggins was told - I am assuming Rosa felt 100% that he was going to be moved - it didn't happen.

Towns has been telling the world and more than he had this done - his Instagram post shows he thought it was done - so what happened?

So this morning we wake up with the same team we had last week. But Towns and Rosa have to go look at Wiggins - not sure how that works - like someone else said, maybe he will be pissed - who cares he cant give less effort. I think Towns looks like the biggest loser here - he recruited his best friend, had a party in a suit with him after agreeing to the max with us and then partied it up until Roas made room - clearly, his agent had some backup plans. How does your BFF agree to a deal in the night and by morning you tell him sorry but you changed your mind?

Good post. Yep, I'd say that Rosas and Towns both look pretty bad here. I'm still not sure what happened and I'm interesting in learning exactly what went down. What we're hearing is that the Wolves had a cap-clearing deal in place but Russell changed his mind and decided to go to the Warriors. Hmm. Maybe that's true. If so, I'm glad we aren't stuck with him on a max deal. But I'm not convinced yet by that story line. I'm still wondering whether the Wolves failed to put a deal together. We should find out from Jon K or someone in the next few weeks. Meanwhile, Wolves fans can't help but be disappointed. And now Rosas, Towns and Saunders will have to deal with the aftermath -- Wiggins and Teague feeling unwanted, Towns embarrassed and dejected and Rosas rightly embarrassed.

As for Rosas, he's now 0-2 measured against his own goals. He wanted Garland, but couldn't get him. Then he wanted Russell and couldn't get him. In both cases, the whole world knew what Rosas wanted and in both cases he came close but fell short. Not a good start. Rosas said he would do things differently. Well, maybe he has or maybe he hasn't. But one thing for sure - the results are the same.

I agree lip. I dont 100% buy into the whole dlo change his mind after agreeing. That should be what the wolves are telling people to save face but the fact remains that whatever cap clearing move didnt happen. Seeing how fast free agency moved and how many deals were made, there doesnt seem to be a clear path in clearing cap space.

We would probably never know the true story for now. If I have to guess, rosas probably has deals lineup but those deals were mostly plan B and plan C for other teams. When those teams got their preferred scenarios, rosas was left with nothing. If I were a rival executive, il probably let rosas on a bit and show interest in wiggins or whatever to see what he is planning and how to move around it. That is most likely what happened in my view. Whatever deals rosas have lined up were secondary or 3rd options for other teams. Russel did not want to wait further judging by how fast things were going and how the wolves still didnt pull whatever trigger they were lining up.

I think dlo always wanted california, but if he couldn't get that, then being with kat was the next best thing.

With all the capspace being used up, i don't think he wanted to wait out the kawhi situation and possibly getting stuck in a situation he didnt want to be in.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

apollotsg wrote:Woke up to this mess. I am disappointed, I was sold on Towns leaks on what was going to happen and Rosas comments along with all the players talking about the Timberwolves making noise. I disagree with everyone saying Russel would not have made the difference - I think he changes the franchise for the next 5 years in a significantly positive way. And then...

Rosa clearly had a deal with someone that was ready - rumor is it was Dal, who got involved with MIA and then our deal died. Then the MIA deal died - so is DAL messing with other teams? As of this morning, DAL is NOT getting Wiggins or any player from MIA. I know there is bad blood between DAL and HOU, could this be some strange messing with Rosa over HOU history stuff?

Prior to MIA or DAL or however the deal fell apart - Wiggins was told - I am assuming Rosa felt 100% that he was going to be moved - it didn't happen.

Towns has been telling the world and more than he had this done - his Instagram post shows he thought it was done - so what happened?

So this morning we wake up with the same team we had last week. But Towns and Rosa have to go look at Wiggins - not sure how that works - like someone else said, maybe he will be pissed - who cares he cant give less effort. I think Towns looks like the biggest loser here - he recruited his best friend, had a party in a suit with him after agreeing to the max with us and then partied it up until Roas made room - clearly, his agent had some backup plans. How does your BFF agree to a deal in the night and by morning you tell him sorry but you changed your mind?

Good post. Yep, I'd say that Rosas and Towns both look pretty bad here. I'm still not sure what happened and I'm interesting in learning exactly what went down. What we're hearing is that the Wolves had a cap-clearing deal in place but Russell changed his mind and decided to go to the Warriors. Hmm. Maybe that's true. If so, I'm glad we aren't stuck with him on a max deal. But I'm not convinced yet by that story line. I'm still wondering whether the Wolves failed to put a deal together. We should find out from Jon K or someone in the next few weeks. Meanwhile, Wolves fans can't help but be disappointed. And now Rosas, Towns and Saunders will have to deal with the aftermath -- Wiggins and Teague feeling unwanted, Towns embarrassed and dejected and Rosas rightly embarrassed.

As for Rosas, he's now 0-2 measured against his own goals. He wanted Garland, but couldn't get him. Then he wanted Russell and couldn't get him. In both cases, the whole world knew what Rosas wanted and in both cases he came close but fell short. Not a good start. Rosas said he would do things differently. Well, maybe he has or maybe he hasn't. But one thing for sure - the results are the same.

This is somewhat in contrast to Thibs who in his 2nd full season on the job got a heck of a haul in that offseason. Butler was a HUGE get (even if you don't agree with the deal) and Teague and Taj were good free agent additions as players (price was high). The bad news was it didn't work out unless you could making the playoffs as success.

To me the difference is Rosas is known as a personal guy supposedly he and Towns have really hit it off. Ryan the coach is a guy that's known as a relationship guy with a connection to these players. The previous guys running this team was Thibs and Layden... Even if you aren't sure about Rosas it's pretty easy to see more potential of patching things up from this group. It's also possible they aren't done and a move of some sort can still be made. Thibs just told his guys to get back to work. I'd guess Rosas will have a more delicate way of going about it.

Monster - Excellent points about Rosas.

Signing Taj was a very good move in isolation. But in combination with the Gorgui contract 9 months earlier, it was not. I thought signing Teague to that 3-year $19 million per year deal was bad, considering there were PGs like Collison who could have been signed for considerably less. And I thought the Butler deal was ill-advised given where we were at, knowing Butler's age (6 year older than core young players) and history (both bad attitude and injuries). Thibodeau had already blown the draft in his first summer, taking Dunn instead of Murray or Hield. I won't go over the list again. You and I disagree on Butler being a huge get. I think it was the wrong get at the time that got even worse. It got us one playoff appearance, barely making the 8th seed thanks to Millsap's injury. At least Cassell and Spree got us one year in the Western Conference Finals. :)

So while I'm not sure about Rosas, I'm still hopeful. I'm not happy about ending up with Culver instead of Garland, but I'll give Rosas the benefit of the doubt for now about Culver, although it seems like Kris Dunn all over again. I love the Nowell pick in the 2nd round. And I like that Rosas is trying, but hasn't acted recklessly. As the Sixers and others have made clear, this is process. It's not all about one move or even one summer. Make smart draft picks, find young diamonds in the rough via free agency, develop those players, build relationships and create good chemistry. I'm ready to forget all about Garland and Russell, provided Rosas does smart things over time that make me forget.

I think it's pretty obvious he wanted Garland, but not enough to want to lose Covington. If he actually was all in on Garland he would have traded anything short of Towns to get him. He wasn't as in love with Garland as you make it out to be Lip. If he thought he was Damian Lillard he would have dumped Covington in a second. It's obvious he had some reservations about Garland or else he would have paid the price. He is a value guy. He moved up to 6 because he valued Garland and Culver a tier above the next group of players yet he didn't move all the way up to 4 to get Garland. You seem to be extending your feelings about Garland onto Rosas rather than looking at the facts of the situation where if he truly felt how you do about Garland he'd be on our team right now.

The team is ruined, KAT will ask for a trade in two years and the Wolves will be moved to Seattle

No worries. We got Culver!!! Culver will be better than DLO. Book it!

BloopOracle wrote:The team is ruined, KAT will ask for a trade in two years and the Wolves will be moved to Seattle

He couldn't successfully recruit his best friend to play basketball with him. Maybe getting rid of KAT isn't gonna be the worst thing we could do down the line.

BloopOracle wrote:The team is ruined, KAT will ask for a trade in two years and the Wolves will be moved to Seattle

You sound like the Jazz fans when they didn't sign Gordon Hayward and it worked out. Not signing DLO is a huge blessing in disguise for the Wolves.

Culver will shine as a Vancouver Gray Wolf, fuck this franchise