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AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Glenn Robinson got a mediocre Bucks team to the Eastern Conference finals where they lost in 7 games to the 76ers. Along the way they knocked off Tracy McGrady and Orlando. And Glenn wasn't even close to the athlete that Wiggins is. But the Big Dog was no slouch in his prime.

1. That team also had Sam Cassell and Ray Allen. And some think that in the era of nefarious NBA officiating... that series was one of the calamities.

2. Glenn Robinson was good immediately. (22 pts / 6 reb) But... he never really improved. 7 years later... he was at 22/7. There might be a very good reason for that... He signed a 10 yr/$68M contract after the draft. The NBA quickly revised the rookie salary scale to keep that from happening again. And teams were probably thankful too. Without the carrot of a big contract looming... Robinson was content to remain a solid to good but never great player.

Not the first time the Bucks and their small market asses we're shanghaied by Stern and his band of conspirators in the playoffs. Your Celtics we're the beneficiaries more than once. I read accounts that Stern was visibly upset when calls went against the 76ers in that series (not many did).

Regarding Robinson, remember he played 2 years at Purdue where he was a dominant college player. He came into the league as a fairly finished product. But he wasn't a great athlete and though it was disappointing, it wasn't entirely a surprise that he didn't improve that much.

1987? That's the only year I can think of.

I know Milwaukee took Boston out one year... but they weren't very competitive in 2 other trips vs. Boston. Only in the 7-game 1987 series was it close.


[Note: I'm sure it was just convenience that the Bucks were moved to the Eastern Conference just as Magic arrived... clearing the way to the Lakers in the Finals every year in a very weak West.]

There was one game early in the series and then game 7 that I remember as being dubious. But it was mostly those series' in the early 80's against the 76ers that stand out the most. The two teams would play on even terms for 46 minutes, and then the 6ers would parade to the line the last two minutes and the Bucks couldn't get any calls. Stern should have been arrested for some of those shenanigans.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Glenn Robinson got a mediocre Bucks team to the Eastern Conference finals where they lost in 7 games to the 76ers. Along the way they knocked off Tracy McGrady and Orlando. And Glenn wasn't even close to the athlete that Wiggins is. But the Big Dog was no slouch in his prime.

1. That team also had Sam Cassell and Ray Allen. And some think that in the era of nefarious NBA officiating... that series was one of the calamities.

2. Glenn Robinson was good immediately. (22 pts / 6 reb) But... he never really improved. 7 years later... he was at 22/7. There might be a very good reason for that... He signed a 10 yr/$68M contract after the draft. The NBA quickly revised the rookie salary scale to keep that from happening again. And teams were probably thankful too. Without the carrot of a big contract looming... Robinson was content to remain a solid to good but never great player.

Not the first time the Bucks and their small market asses we're shanghaied by Stern and his band of conspirators in the playoffs. Your Celtics we're the beneficiaries more than once. I read accounts that Stern was visibly upset when calls went against the 76ers in that series (not many did).

Regarding Robinson, remember he played 2 years at Purdue where he was a dominant college player. He came into the league as a fairly finished product. But he wasn't a great athlete and though it was disappointing, it wasn't entirely a surprise that he didn't improve that much.

1987? That's the only year I can think of.

I know Milwaukee took Boston out one year... but they weren't very competitive in 2 other trips vs. Boston. Only in the 7-game 1987 series was it close.


[Note: I'm sure it was just convenience that the Bucks were moved to the Eastern Conference just as Magic arrived... clearing the way to the Lakers in the Finals every year in a very weak West.]

There was one game early in the series and then game 7 that I remember as being dubious. But it was mostly those series' in the early 80's against the 76ers that stand out the most. The two teams would play on even terms for 46 minutes, and then the 6ers would parade to the line the last two minutes and the Bucks couldn't get any calls. Stern should have been arrested for some of those shenanigans.

To be fair... Stern didn't take over until 1984.

And I have no problem with you ripping on the 76ers. That's a very big difference than the Celtics.

What about the possibility of getting noel this offseason? I like his game next to Towns and someone who can really defend. How much would it take to get him?

crazysauce wrote:What about the possibility of getting noel this offseason? I like his game next to Towns and someone who can really defend. How much would it take to get him?

Probably the max. He is a restricted free agent.

I can't recall many players ever who reached the hoop with the ease that Wiggins does. Few steps, graceful leap, head at rim level, easy fingeroll. I'm extremely excited to watch his game unfold over the next few years.

For me, Chicago would have to add something with Butler if they want Wiggins.

TheFuture wrote:I can't recall many players ever who reached the hoop with the ease that Wiggins does. Few steps, graceful leap, head at rim level, easy fingeroll. I'm extremely excited to watch his game unfold over the next few years.

For me, Chicago would have to add something with Butler if they want Wiggins.

I agree with this logic.

thedoper wrote:

TheFuture wrote:I can't recall many players ever who reached the hoop with the ease that Wiggins does. Few steps, graceful leap, head at rim level, easy fingeroll. I'm extremely excited to watch his game unfold over the next few years.

For me, Chicago would have to add something with Butler if they want Wiggins.

I agree with this logic.

And...the Bulls probably would want the Wolves to add something to Wiggins to trade Butler. It's not going to happen folks.

Anyone think we could pry Derek Favors away from the Jazz without getting fleeced? They've just resigned Gobert to a 4 year 100 mil extension. George Hill is a free agent and it's almost guaranteed that Gordon Haywood will explore free agency. Favours will be a 12 mil expiring after next season and Jazz will have to let him go if they resign Hill and Hayward to deals this offseason.

Assuming we draft at 7, would that pick and Peks expiring be enough to get him?

thedoper wrote:

TheFuture wrote:I can't recall many players ever who reached the hoop with the ease that Wiggins does. Few steps, graceful leap, head at rim level, easy fingeroll. I'm extremely excited to watch his game unfold over the next few years.

For me, Chicago would have to add something with Butler if they want Wiggins.

I agree with this logic.

That is true IF he is going right. If he gets a step on his guy going right, he is an absolutely devastating finisher around the hoop. If he is going left, the result is often a difficult pull up jumper or awkward drive. Watch how often Wiggins rejects a screen to his left and goes right anyway.

I think Wiggins will ultimately be a better scorer than either Butler or George. But so will KAT. And even LaVine has huge additional upside as a scorer. At some point, the law of diminishing returns comes into play and it's all the other stuff (play making, defense, hustle plays, etc.) that make more of a difference toward winning games.

KiwiMatt wrote:Anyone think we could pry Derek Favors away from the Jazz without getting fleeced? They've just resigned Gobert to a 4 year 100 mil extension. George Hill is a free agent and it's almost guaranteed that Gordon Haywood will explore free agency. Favours will be a 12 mil expiring after next season and Jazz will have to let him go if they resign Hill and Hayward to deals this offseason.

Assuming we draft at 7, would that pick and Peks expiring be enough to get him?

I like the idea. His value is at an all-time low after an injury-filled season where he recently said he was "playing on one leg."

Here's the rub... and the rub with so many players in the NEW NBA... his contract is up after next season. So he could be a potential one-year rental. What do you give up for a guy like that?