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Thibs wins per year in order: 62 (ECF), 50 (1st round exit), 45 (2nd round exit), 48 (1st round exit), 50 (2nd round exit). He did not improve that team, at all. He was gifted a prime Noah, Taj, Deng, D-Rose (prime was before injury), Korver, Brewer, Boozer, and a young Butler. That team carried him. He didn't create a damn thing. Too much praise for this man's "vision".

khans2k5 wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Is anyone else hoping Thibs exploits matchups in the post with KAT, Wigs, or Butler? I'm ok with three points the old fashioned way.

Post ups are an overrated form of offense unless you are absolutely elite at it (KAT is elite) or the mis-match is so big that you can just throw the ball over the top for an easy layup (like when a guard gets switched onto a big). Teams will gladly allow Butler and Wiggins to shoot contested turnaround 2-point jumpers. That's why we don't see many teams do it anymore.

Hmm I think that if this team is going to stay away from 3 point shooting, which our personnel choices suggest, and instead control pace they should be taking advantage of the physical abilities on the wing. I'm not talking about everytime down the floor like Shaq but Thibs should pick good spots and exploit matchups. I don't like the idea of jacking up 3s all night because that's what the league is doing.

How does adding 3 league average 3pt shooters signal that we are abandoning the 3pt shot? We added guys who can hit an open 3 when our penetrators pull the extra defender and kick out to the 3pt line. That's what a normal NBA offense looks like. The 3pt hunting by Houston and GS aren't normal.

Im sorry I was under the impression that most people here aren't impressed with the additions from behind the arc. Either way a post up can result in double downs and open threes. Is this team improved enough to shoot out of slumps? The tone from the majority suggests otherwise.

TheFuture wrote:Thibs wins per year in order: 62 (ECF), 50 (1st round exit), 45 (2nd round exit), 48 (1st round exit), 50 (2nd round exit). He did not improve that team, at all. He was gifted a prime Noah, Taj, Deng, D-Rose (prime was before injury), Korver, Brewer, Boozer, and a young Butler. That team carried him. He didn't create a damn thing. Too much praise for this man's "vision".

Couldn't you say the same thing. Wiggins, Towns, Ricky, Lavine, Gorgui, Dunn, shabazz team carried thibs to 31 wins.

If you don't give credit to him when he succeeded you can't rip him when his teams do bad. So in the end coaching dosen't matter and it is all about the players is what you are saying (I am a big believer in this for the most part)

TheFuture wrote:Thibs wins per year in order: 62 (ECF), 50 (1st round exit), 45 (2nd round exit), 48 (1st round exit), 50 (2nd round exit). He did not improve that team, at all. He was gifted a prime Noah, Taj, Deng, D-Rose (prime was before injury), Korver, Brewer, Boozer, and a young Butler. That team carried him. He didn't create a damn thing. Too much praise for this man's "vision".

Fortunately, reasonable people can agree to disagree. I think Thibs is doing fine and expect us to compete for home court advantage in round 1. If I understand what you are saying, and considering the improvements many West teams are making, you expect the Wolves to be fighting just to get into the playoffs.

Time will tell.

60WinTim wrote:

TheFuture wrote:Thibs wins per year in order: 62 (ECF), 50 (1st round exit), 45 (2nd round exit), 48 (1st round exit), 50 (2nd round exit). He did not improve that team, at all. He was gifted a prime Noah, Taj, Deng, D-Rose (prime was before injury), Korver, Brewer, Boozer, and a young Butler. That team carried him. He didn't create a damn thing. Too much praise for this man's "vision".

Fortunately, reasonable people can agree to disagree. I think Thibs is doing fine and expect us to compete for home court advantage in round 1. If I understand what your saying, and considering the improvements many West teams are making, you expect the Wolves to be fighting just to get into the playoffs.

Time will tell.

Correct. I expect us to fight to get into the playoffs, but wind up missing them. 100%.

kekgeek1 wrote:

TheFuture wrote:Thibs wins per year in order: 62 (ECF), 50 (1st round exit), 45 (2nd round exit), 48 (1st round exit), 50 (2nd round exit). He did not improve that team, at all. He was gifted a prime Noah, Taj, Deng, D-Rose (prime was before injury), Korver, Brewer, Boozer, and a young Butler. That team carried him. He didn't create a damn thing. Too much praise for this man's "vision".

Couldn't you say the same thing. Wiggins, Towns, Ricky, Lavine, Gorgui, Dunn, shabazz team carried thibs to 31 wins.

If you don't give credit to him when he succeeded you can't rip him when his teams do bad. So in the end coaching dosen't matter and it is all about the players is what you are saying (I am a big believer in this for the most part)

He took a year improved, mostly the same, roster to what 4 more wins than the overly hated Sam Mitchell? In a surprising down year in the West? He did not improve us at all. In fact, he likely cost us from climbing closer to 40 wins by his stubbornness to start the season, regarding Rubio.

I do not think most coaches matter. There are the Sloans, Rileys, Pops, etc. They matter. The rest do not.

Eh, I fully expect a playoff appearance this season. Not making it would be a massive let down and be a serious cause for concern. I felt the Butler move alone put us in the playoffs.

TheFuture wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

TheFuture wrote:Thibs wins per year in order: 62 (ECF), 50 (1st round exit), 45 (2nd round exit), 48 (1st round exit), 50 (2nd round exit). He did not improve that team, at all. He was gifted a prime Noah, Taj, Deng, D-Rose (prime was before injury), Korver, Brewer, Boozer, and a young Butler. That team carried him. He didn't create a damn thing. Too much praise for this man's "vision".

Couldn't you say the same thing. Wiggins, Towns, Ricky, Lavine, Gorgui, Dunn, shabazz team carried thibs to 31 wins.

If you don't give credit to him when he succeeded you can't rip him when his teams do bad. So in the end coaching dosen't matter and it is all about the players is what you are saying (I am a big believer in this for the most part)

He took a year improved, mostly the same, roster to what 4 more wins than the overly hated Sam Mitchell? In a surprising down year in the West? He did not improve us at all. In fact, he likely cost us from climbing closer to 40 wins by his stubbornness to start the season, regarding Rubio.

So you made my point the exact same team with the addition of a rookie and lower end free agents did the same thing with a different coach.

So is it the players fault or the coaches fault

TheGrey08 wrote:Eh, I fully expect a playoff appearance this season. Not making it would be a massive let down and be a serious cause for concern. I felt the Butler move alone put us in the playoffs.

I did too initially. And then everyone in the West got better. Everyone. Meanwhile we still do not have any viable bench wings. At this point I'd send that 1st rounder to Indiana to get Miles.

Jon K just on the radio. He said the Wolves are really hurting for lack of 3-point shooting. He said the failure to add any three-point shooting to day gives the Pacers a lot of leverage in holding out for our OKC pick to get Miles. He gently questioned using the room exception to sign a guy with a career 35% 3-point average. The more I reflect on this latest signing, the more I wonder about Thibs as PBO. I like Crawford, but he just doesn't give us what we really need and there are certainly better options out there for our RE.