longstrangetrip wrote:Monster, do you really think the grader was vastly generous to Bennett? He gave him an overall grade of D, and said that while he couldn't call him a bust yet, if he didn't improve greatly this year, that conversation would be in order.
I take it back then I thought he had given a higher grade.
On the other hand, when my college calculus teacher gave me a D, that could have been considered generous :) !
D's get degrees. Lol
What was the most interesting thing in the Bennett report Card was the author said Flip wanted Bennett attacking instead of shooting jumpshots. He didn't have a quote though so I have to be skeptical although it makes sense and I can actually see Flip saying that. Having just watched Bennett's wolves highlight reel there were a couple times he did attack from that spot. You wonder if Flip wanted more balance of shots and drives. Bennett has the theoretical skillset to take a lot of PFs that far away from the basket or at least make an effort to do so.
I hope those report cards spark some conversations about the other guys. :)
60WinTim wrote:I am confident Flip understands what he doing with the roster. If he wants Hummel, even as the 15th guy, then NOW was the time he needed to do something.
We are flipping out over nothing...
So you are perfectly comfortable with 2 of the 4 guards on this team having the injury history of Rubio and Martin while their counterparts are 19 and 20 years old?
No. I am perfectly comfortable that Flip will make the necessary adjustments to the roster before training camp opens.
I am dumbfounded how anyone can be upset about what Flip is doing. It was a wonderful draft. Qualifying offers is just the next piece of business. Free agency hasn't even begun. If stuff like this is stressing you out, you would be much better off tuning the off-season out and just wait to see what the roster looks like when training camp opens.
Ah yes, Robbie Hummel, a flashpoint of controversy!
SJM, I'm disappointed that you have hopped off the Hummel train after joining it last season. Perhaps you need to watch him play again to realize that the guy actually knows what he's doing out there. I'm as much of a stats guy as anyone, but box score is wrong the place to look when comparing Robbie to AB. His overall effect on team play has been proven, as LST articulately laid out earlier in this thread.
Q12543 wrote:Ah yes, Robbie Hummel, a flashpoint of controversy!
SJM, I'm disappointed that you have hopped off the Hummel train after joining it last season. Perhaps you need to watch him play again to realize that the guy actually knows what he's doing out there. I'm as much of a stats guy as anyone, but box score is wrong the place to look when comparing Robbie to AB. His overall effect on team play has been proven, as LST articulately laid out earlier in this thread.
Q, it isn't about jumping off the Hummel train. I realize he has a high BB IQ, and that he does have some value in his position, but I also don't want to see us give up on a 21 or 22 year old kid with a pretty impressive skill set. I just don't feel this team has hit the stage where we need to be filling out roles, and that is what Robbie is.
Hey I gave you a little something mentioning his Win Shares, didn't I? :)
Q12543 wrote:Ah yes, Robbie Hummel, a flashpoint of controversy!
SJM, I'm disappointed that you have hopped off the Hummel train after joining it last season. Perhaps you need to watch him play again to realize that the guy actually knows what he's doing out there. I'm as much of a stats guy as anyone, but box score is wrong the place to look when comparing Robbie to AB. His overall effect on team play has been proven, as LST articulately laid out earlier in this thread.
Q, it isn't about jumping off the Hummel train. I realize he has a high BB IQ, and that he does have some value in his position, but I also don't want to see us give up on a 21 or 22 year old kid with a pretty impressive skill set. I just don't feel this team has hit the stage where we need to be filling out roles, and that is what Robbie is.
Hey I gave you a little something mentioning his Win Shares, didn't I? :)
Heh, indeed you did.
But tell me this: Would you pick up AB's option? That is where you put yourself into a box. If you say no, than we are basically putting a "for sale" sign on him, or at minimum, he rides the end of the bench, as he will be a UFA at the end of this season. If you say "yes", you are talking about committing $12+ M to a guy who really isn't as good as even Hummel yet. Are you really prepared to do that?
If AB were on a much cheaper rookie scale, I'd be a lot more willing to be patient with the guy.
Q12543 wrote:Ah yes, Robbie Hummel, a flashpoint of controversy!
SJM, I'm disappointed that you have hopped off the Hummel train after joining it last season. Perhaps you need to watch him play again to realize that the guy actually knows what he's doing out there. I'm as much of a stats guy as anyone, but box score is wrong the place to look when comparing Robbie to AB. His overall effect on team play has been proven, as LST articulately laid out earlier in this thread.
Q, it isn't about jumping off the Hummel train. I realize he has a high BB IQ, and that he does have some value in his position, but I also don't want to see us give up on a 21 or 22 year old kid with a pretty impressive skill set. I just don't feel this team has hit the stage where we need to be filling out roles, and that is what Robbie is.
Hey I gave you a little something mentioning his Win Shares, didn't I? :)
Heh, indeed you did.
But tell me this: Would you pick up AB's option? That is where you put yourself into a box. If you say no, than we are basically putting a "for sale" sign on him, or at minimum, he rides the end of the bench, as he will be a UFA at the end of this season. If you say "yes", you are talking about committing $12+ M to a guy who really isn't as good as even Hummel yet. Are you really prepared to do that?
If AB were on a much cheaper rookie scale, I'd be a lot more willing to be patient with the guy.
I fully admit I'm not as solid on the business side of the NBA as many of you, but aren't you overstating our commitment to AB, q? As I understand it, the Wolves are already on the hook for 2015-6...there's no escaping that. By the end of October, they need to decide if they are going to pick up his option for 2016-7, which would be $7.3 million. So, if the Wolves say "yes" in October, they are really only committing to an additional 7.3. So that is the risk as I see it.
Q12543 wrote:Ah yes, Robbie Hummel, a flashpoint of controversy!
SJM, I'm disappointed that you have hopped off the Hummel train after joining it last season. Perhaps you need to watch him play again to realize that the guy actually knows what he's doing out there. I'm as much of a stats guy as anyone, but box score is wrong the place to look when comparing Robbie to AB. His overall effect on team play has been proven, as LST articulately laid out earlier in this thread.
Q, it isn't about jumping off the Hummel train. I realize he has a high BB IQ, and that he does have some value in his position, but I also don't want to see us give up on a 21 or 22 year old kid with a pretty impressive skill set. I just don't feel this team has hit the stage where we need to be filling out roles, and that is what Robbie is.
Hey I gave you a little something mentioning his Win Shares, didn't I? :)
Heh, indeed you did.
But tell me this: Would you pick up AB's option? That is where you put yourself into a box. If you say no, than we are basically putting a "for sale" sign on him, or at minimum, he rides the end of the bench, as he will be a UFA at the end of this season. If you say "yes", you are talking about committing $12+ M to a guy who really isn't as good as even Hummel yet. Are you really prepared to do that?
If AB were on a much cheaper rookie scale, I'd be a lot more willing to be patient with the guy.
I fully admit I'm not as solid on the business side of the NBA as many of you, but aren't you overstating our commitment to AB, q? As I understand it, the Wolves are already on the hook for 2015-6...there's no escaping that. By the end of October, they need to decide if they are going to pick up his option for 2016-7, which would be $7.3 million. So, if the Wolves say "yes" in October, they are really only committing to an additional 7.3. So that is the risk as I see it.
But SJM and others are advocating keeping him. I'm assuming that Flip is trying to unload him. So given those two choices, I don't see how one arrives at the "keep him" side of the equation. Like I mention above, if you are really serious about his potential, then you have to pick up his option, because doing otherwise pretty much tells him and the rest of the NBA that he isn't in our plans for the future. So are you ready to commit to him 2 more seasons at that kind of money? I know I'm not....
Hummel represents versatility dependability and continuity at the very end of the bench. If he accepts the $1,147,276 QO he is a low cost insurance policy that hopefully never sees quality minutes. If he actually gets a better offer, especially a multi year offer, I would hope Flip lets him go.
Q12543 wrote:Ah yes, Robbie Hummel, a flashpoint of controversy!
SJM, I'm disappointed that you have hopped off the Hummel train after joining it last season. Perhaps you need to watch him play again to realize that the guy actually knows what he's doing out there. I'm as much of a stats guy as anyone, but box score is wrong the place to look when comparing Robbie to AB. His overall effect on team play has been proven, as LST articulately laid out earlier in this thread.
Q, it isn't about jumping off the Hummel train. I realize he has a high BB IQ, and that he does have some value in his position, but I also don't want to see us give up on a 21 or 22 year old kid with a pretty impressive skill set. I just don't feel this team has hit the stage where we need to be filling out roles, and that is what Robbie is.
Hey I gave you a little something mentioning his Win Shares, didn't I? :)
Heh, indeed you did.
But tell me this: Would you pick up AB's option? That is where you put yourself into a box. If you say no, than we are basically putting a "for sale" sign on him, or at minimum, he rides the end of the bench, as he will be a UFA at the end of this season. If you say "yes", you are talking about committing $12+ M to a guy who really isn't as good as even Hummel yet. Are you really prepared to do that?
If AB were on a much cheaper rookie scale, I'd be a lot more willing to be patient with the guy.
I fully admit I'm not as solid on the business side of the NBA as many of you, but aren't you overstating our commitment to AB, q? As I understand it, the Wolves are already on the hook for 2015-6...there's no escaping that. By the end of October, they need to decide if they are going to pick up his option for 2016-7, which would be $7.3 million. So, if the Wolves say "yes" in October, they are really only committing to an additional 7.3. So that is the risk as I see it.
But SJM and others are advocating keeping him. I'm assuming that Flip is trying to unload him. So given those two choices, I don't see how one arrives at the "keep him" side of the equation. Like I mention above, if you are really serious about his potential, then you have to pick up his option, because doing otherwise pretty much tells him and the rest of the NBA that he isn't in our plans for the future. So are you ready to commit to him 2 more seasons at that kind of money? I know I'm not....
Yeah, I'm on the other side on this one. Flip is already on the hook for 2015-16, so if he decides to roll the dice, he's really just committing to one more year at about $7 mill. That doesn't scare me, given the enormous potential I think AB has. Don't get me wrong, I'm still quite skeptical about his future. I just think there's a big pot on the table, and if it's only going to cost me $7 million to call, I'm staying in the game.
As I read the board, though, I see more here that would prefer to cut bait with AB (or fold, I guess, if I'm going to stay with the same metaphor). And all signs point to them getting their wish, and people in my camp being disappointed.
