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Re: Milt Newton staying...?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:46 am
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
Good stuff, thanks for sharing Monster.
I'm not much of a coaching wonk, so I don't have any particularly strong opinions about who we need as a coach, other than it should be someone with a strong track record on the defensive side of the ball. However, I also don't want this person to slow this team down to a grinding pace, as our current roster demands that we push the pace where possible. Hopefully we can find someone that is flexible enough to run an offense to this team's strengths, while also getting them to take a giant step forward defensively.
Re: Milt Newton staying...?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:47 am
by bleedspeed
I think Brooks is the guy this team. Young enough and proven to be able to mold young players. Thibs would be great too, but give the edge to Brooks because I think he would be able to sell himself better to Taylor.
Re: Milt Newton staying...?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:53 am
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
lipoli390 wrote:khans2k5 wrote:1. How much can Milt really fuck everything up? He has 4 starters locked up for at least 2 more full years and worst comes to worst he can just RFA all three of Zach, Wiggins and Towns if he can't reach deals with them for whatever unforseen reason. We already have our big 3 and they're all on rookie deals. It's gonna be hard for Milt to fuck it all up. Joe Schmo from rube chat could get the job and do very little and we'd still probably end up with a pretty good team even if it's not a title contender.
2. For being as control freaky as Glenn appears to be, why the Hell did he never force Flip to hire a coach? He never wanted Flip to coach. Why is he all of a sudden possibly forcing his hand with the coach in keeping Mitchell when he never did that to Flip when he didn't like the idea of Flip coaching?
How can Milt screw up? Well, one way would be shopping Ricky for a SG like he did with the Bucks. And he coukd sign more vets like Miller who have no game left. He could take the interim label off Sam and sign him to a multi-year deal as head coach. And of course, continuing his tenure into the summer diminishes the chZnces of hiring a PBO like JVG.
The Rubio for Middleton deal is actually a good one if we land a guy like Dunn in the draft or go after a guy like Conley in free agency. A Middleton/Wiggins/Lavine trio would be very good for years to come. A 24 year old averaging 18-4-4 on 40% 3pt shooting and is interchangeable on the wing would be perfect for this team.
Re: Milt Newton staying...?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:58 am
by TAFKASP
bleedspeed177 wrote:I think Brooks is the guy this team. Young enough and proven to be able to mold young players. Thibs would be great too, but give the end to Brooks because I think he would be able to sell himself better to Taylor.
Did you post that from your phone?
Re: Milt Newton staying...?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:35 pm
by 60WinTim
A potential positive about Glen making the coaching choice is he basically has Flip's short list to work with. We don't know who is on that list, but I feel better about Glen making the choice knowing that the choice will likely come from that list.
As with a number of you, I am fine with Thibs coaching this team. And KG around for another year would be another carrot for Thibs to consider given their terrific connection in Boston. I am not too worried about Thibs mucking up the offense considering all the talent on this roster -- they can find ways to score no matter what the offensive system is!
Re: Milt Newton staying...?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:06 pm
by bleedspeed
TheSP wrote:bleedspeed177 wrote:I think Brooks is the guy this team. Young enough and proven to be able to mold young players. Thibs would be great too, but give the end to Brooks because I think he would be able to sell himself better to Taylor.
Did you post that from your phone?
No but was on a conference call and they kept asking me questions. I wanted to say let me finish my thoughts here.
Re: Milt Newton staying...?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:35 pm
by Monster
khans2k5 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:khans2k5 wrote:1. How much can Milt really fuck everything up? He has 4 starters locked up for at least 2 more full years and worst comes to worst he can just RFA all three of Zach, Wiggins and Towns if he can't reach deals with them for whatever unforseen reason. We already have our big 3 and they're all on rookie deals. It's gonna be hard for Milt to fuck it all up. Joe Schmo from rube chat could get the job and do very little and we'd still probably end up with a pretty good team even if it's not a title contender.
2. For being as control freaky as Glenn appears to be, why the Hell did he never force Flip to hire a coach? He never wanted Flip to coach. Why is he all of a sudden possibly forcing his hand with the coach in keeping Mitchell when he never did that to Flip when he didn't like the idea of Flip coaching?
How can Milt screw up? Well, one way would be shopping Ricky for a SG like he did with the Bucks. And he coukd sign more vets like Miller who have no game left. He could take the interim label off Sam and sign him to a multi-year deal as head coach. And of course, continuing his tenure into the summer diminishes the chZnces of hiring a PBO like JVG.
The Rubio for Middleton deal is actually a good one if we land a guy like Dunn in the draft or go after a guy like Conley in free agency. A Middleton/Wiggins/Lavine trio would be very good for years to come. A 24 year old averaging 18-4-4 on 40% 3pt shooting and is interchangeable on the wing would be perfect for this team.
I think people get too much into that Middleton Rubio talk. Let's say they agreed Rubio of Middleton we just have to work out the details. MCW has to go somewhere maybe he ends up here or ends up somewhere else and the trade becomes multi team deal. If you wanted to entertain offers for Rubio you would at least ask for something good to see how serious people are. My guess is Milt never though the Bucks were going to agree to anything he was willing to do for Rubio. He doesn't seem like a guy that's going to go out and make all kinds of deals even if he had the absolute power to do so. He was just doing his homework and all that stuff. AP guy Jon K said Rubio wasn't happy about his name being out there.
Re: Milt Newton staying...?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:37 pm
by Monster
Q12543 wrote:Good stuff, thanks for sharing Monster.
I'm not much of a coaching wonk, so I don't have any particularly strong opinions about who we need as a coach, other than it should be someone with a strong track record on the defensive side of the ball. However, I also don't want this person to slow this team down to a grinding pace, as our current roster demands that we push the pace where possible. Hopefully we can find someone that is flexible enough to run an offense to this team's strengths, while also getting them to take a giant step forward defensively.
It seems like whoever the coach is if they aren't a defensive guy they could hire some defensive assistant (Sam could do this too if he sticks around) and that's been shown to matter also. I will also add that Glen mentioned that as a clear area that needs to improve.
Re: Milt Newton staying...?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:38 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
monsterpile wrote:khans2k5 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:khans2k5 wrote:1. How much can Milt really fuck everything up? He has 4 starters locked up for at least 2 more full years and worst comes to worst he can just RFA all three of Zach, Wiggins and Towns if he can't reach deals with them for whatever unforseen reason. We already have our big 3 and they're all on rookie deals. It's gonna be hard for Milt to fuck it all up. Joe Schmo from rube chat could get the job and do very little and we'd still probably end up with a pretty good team even if it's not a title contender.
2. For being as control freaky as Glenn appears to be, why the Hell did he never force Flip to hire a coach? He never wanted Flip to coach. Why is he all of a sudden possibly forcing his hand with the coach in keeping Mitchell when he never did that to Flip when he didn't like the idea of Flip coaching?
How can Milt screw up? Well, one way would be shopping Ricky for a SG like he did with the Bucks. And he coukd sign more vets like Miller who have no game left. He could take the interim label off Sam and sign him to a multi-year deal as head coach. And of course, continuing his tenure into the summer diminishes the chZnces of hiring a PBO like JVG.
The Rubio for Middleton deal is actually a good one if we land a guy like Dunn in the draft or go after a guy like Conley in free agency. A Middleton/Wiggins/Lavine trio would be very good for years to come. A 24 year old averaging 18-4-4 on 40% 3pt shooting and is interchangeable on the wing would be perfect for this team.
I think people get too much into that Middleton Rubio talk. Let's say they agreed Rubio of Middleton we just have to work out the details. MCW has to go somewhere maybe he ends up here or ends up somewhere else and the trade becomes multi team deal. If you wanted to entertain offers for Rubio you would at least ask for something good to see how serious people are. My guess is Milt never though the Bucks were going to agree to anything he was willing to do for Rubio. He doesn't seem like a guy that's going to go out and make all kinds of deals even if he had the absolute power to do so. He was just doing his homework and all that stuff. AP guy Jon K said Rubio wasn't happy about his name being out there.
Rubio has done a great job doing his best to keep it out of trade talks.
Maybe it's the LaVine pairing or pure coincidence, but his statistical improvement began around the time of the trade talks.
Re: Milt Newton staying...?
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:12 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
AbeVigodaLive wrote:monsterpile wrote:khans2k5 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:khans2k5 wrote:1. How much can Milt really fuck everything up? He has 4 starters locked up for at least 2 more full years and worst comes to worst he can just RFA all three of Zach, Wiggins and Towns if he can't reach deals with them for whatever unforseen reason. We already have our big 3 and they're all on rookie deals. It's gonna be hard for Milt to fuck it all up. Joe Schmo from rube chat could get the job and do very little and we'd still probably end up with a pretty good team even if it's not a title contender.
2. For being as control freaky as Glenn appears to be, why the Hell did he never force Flip to hire a coach? He never wanted Flip to coach. Why is he all of a sudden possibly forcing his hand with the coach in keeping Mitchell when he never did that to Flip when he didn't like the idea of Flip coaching?
How can Milt screw up? Well, one way would be shopping Ricky for a SG like he did with the Bucks. And he coukd sign more vets like Miller who have no game left. He could take the interim label off Sam and sign him to a multi-year deal as head coach. And of course, continuing his tenure into the summer diminishes the chZnces of hiring a PBO like JVG.
The Rubio for Middleton deal is actually a good one if we land a guy like Dunn in the draft or go after a guy like Conley in free agency. A Middleton/Wiggins/Lavine trio would be very good for years to come. A 24 year old averaging 18-4-4 on 40% 3pt shooting and is interchangeable on the wing would be perfect for this team.
I think people get too much into that Middleton Rubio talk. Let's say they agreed Rubio of Middleton we just have to work out the details. MCW has to go somewhere maybe he ends up here or ends up somewhere else and the trade becomes multi team deal. If you wanted to entertain offers for Rubio you would at least ask for something good to see how serious people are. My guess is Milt never though the Bucks were going to agree to anything he was willing to do for Rubio. He doesn't seem like a guy that's going to go out and make all kinds of deals even if he had the absolute power to do so. He was just doing his homework and all that stuff. AP guy Jon K said Rubio wasn't happy about his name being out there.
Rubio has done a great job doing his best to keep it out of trade talks.
Maybe it's the LaVine pairing or pure coincidence, but his statistical improvement began around the time of the trade talks.
I think it's coincidence. Rubio's taking the same shots defenses have always given him. Don't forget he also played with a pretty dynamic SG in Kevin Martin two years ago (when Kevin Martin was still good).
I think Rubio's improved shooting has to do with having a sustained period of good health, practice, and continuity with Penberthy. Now there is a ceiling on how much he can improve. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back down to earth a bit. But then again, I thought Rubio was a very good PG even before his recent improvement as a shooter. The open 3 is the big thing for me. That's the shot he needs to keep knocking down.