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Re: Cam's Off-Season Breakdown
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:03 am
by alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]
Also ironic that people want to get rid of Pek because of injury issues and would be fine with a guy like Turiaf, whose missed more games then pek this year
Re: Cam's Off-Season Breakdown
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:05 am
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
alexftbl8181 wrote:Camden wrote:For the record, a straight up trade of Pekovic for Deng (S&T) and I'm down. A new deal for Deng being four years, $48M.
My new question would be: What is the plan for starting center? Throw Dieng into the fire? I don't think Turiaf should be trusted to play that many minutes. OR should Willie Cauley-Stein become our top priority in the draft? Elite college shot blocker (3 BPG in 24 MPG), great length, athletic, youth (20 years old). He kind of fits that Tyson Chandler mold. And then we'd throw WCS into the fire with Dieng/Turiaf backing him up. Basically having a rim protector on the floor at all times.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty intrigued with THAT option should the cards fall that way.
Rubio
Martin
Deng
Love
Cauley-Stein
Looks balanced on paper. Three reliable scorers on the floor (Love, Martin, Deng). Three defensive guys on the floor (Rubio, Deng, WCS). An elite wing defender (Deng). An athletic big that Rubio can feed through more passing lanes (lobs, alley oops). Starting lineup probably doesn't lose anything on offense since Deng is an 18 PPG guy, but the defensive potential would be extremely improved.
So Brewer off the bench then? So now our bench will average like 3 points a game?
I'd still try to acquire a new backup PG, which is the biggest problem with the second unit, in my opinion.
Blake or Augustin (MLE)
Brewer
Bud or Muhammad
DC
Dieng or Turiaf
It's not fantastic, but I believe a new backup PG and Brewer being off the bench would be much better than what we currently have. Like it or not, Corey finds ways to score via energy and being a decent finisher at the rim. He's also much better than any current wing we have on the bench, thus it's an upgrade.
Re: Cam's Off-Season Breakdown
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:10 am
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
So... Still hypothetically speaking...
2014 Timberwolves could look like...
PG: Rubio/Blake
SG: Martin/Brewer
SF: Deng/Budinger/Muhammad
PF: Love/Cunningham
C: Cauley-Stein/Dieng/Turiaf
Re: Cam's Off-Season Breakdown
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:14 am
by alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]
Camden wrote:So... Still hypothetically speaking...
2014 Timberwolves could look like...
PG: Rubio/Blake
SG: Martin/Brewer
SF: Deng/Budinger/Muhammad
PF: Love/Cunningham
C: Cauley-Stein/Dieng/Turiaf
Seems like your just tweeking our strength without addressing the real problem. don't see how that makes us better.
Re: Cam's Off-Season Breakdown
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:23 am
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
alexftbl8181 wrote:Camden wrote:So... Still hypothetically speaking...
2014 Timberwolves could look like...
PG: Rubio/Blake
SG: Martin/Brewer
SF: Deng/Budinger/Muhammad
PF: Love/Cunningham
C: Cauley-Stein/Dieng/Turiaf
Seems like your just tweeking our strength without addressing the real problem. don't see how that makes us better.
Well, since our starting lineup is the strength I assume you're referring to, then yes it would be a tweek. I think that unit would actually be better than our current one due to the defensive upgrades in Deng and WCS, while it doesn't lose much offensive punch. That's been one of my arguments against trading Pekovic, because we can't lose offense in any deal we throw him in. That's the way our lineup has to be when Rubio's our starting PG.
Wouldn't Blake/Brewer be much better than Barea/Bud in the bench's backcourt? Like I said, that second unit still wouldn't be top-10 in the NBA, but I do believe it would be good enough to keep leads intact for the starters whereas that's not the case right now. Our bench sucks ass.
Re: Cam's Off-Season Breakdown
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:27 am
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
Here's some Cauley-Stein pre-season tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szAZy-PJVpE
Looks like a perfect fit for Ricky on offense. Potential to be an All-NBA type defender at center. Him and Dieng both actually.
Re: Cam's Off-Season Breakdown
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:28 am
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
I'm wondering if some of you would actually throw Dieng into the fire, hope Turiaf stays healthy and then draft for a different position. That's really risky in my opinion.
Re: Cam's Off-Season Breakdown
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:30 am
by alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]
Camden wrote:alexftbl8181 wrote:Camden wrote:So... Still hypothetically speaking...
2014 Timberwolves could look like...
PG: Rubio/Blake
SG: Martin/Brewer
SF: Deng/Budinger/Muhammad
PF: Love/Cunningham
C: Cauley-Stein/Dieng/Turiaf
Seems like your just tweeking our strength without addressing the real problem. don't see how that makes us better.
Well, since our starting lineup is the strength I assume you're referring to, then yes it would be a tweek. I think that unit would actually be better than our current one due to the defensive upgrades in Deng and WCS, while it doesn't lose much offensive punch. That's been one of my arguments against trading Pekovic, because we can't lose offense in any deal we throw him in. That's the way our lineup has to be when Rubio's our starting PG.
Wouldn't Blake/Brewer be much better than Barea/Bud in the bench's backcourt? Like I said, that second unit still wouldn't be top-10 in the NBA, but I do believe it would be good enough to keep leads intact for the starters whereas that's not the case right now. Our bench sucks ass.
Yea Pek and Deng score about the same...except Deng shoots 43% and pek shoots 53%. So Deng needs more shots to get there, which means taking shots away from Love. You also now ask Love to be the teams only offensive post threat. Your not running plays for Deing or Turiaf. So Love either gets beat up everynight being the teams only post player, or he says F it and hangs around the 3 point line leaving the wolves with no spacing.
Oh and if you build that squad and Love also leaves? Well you go from the best post scoring in the league to last in a single season. Sounds like a wolves move to me actaully
Re: Cam's Off-Season Breakdown
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:33 am
by alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]
Camden wrote:Here's some Cauley-Stein pre-season tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szAZy-PJVpE
Looks like a perfect fit for Ricky on offense. Potential to be an All-NBA type defender at center. Him and Dieng both actually.
maybe in a few years, but not as a rookie lets be real
Re: Cam's Off-Season Breakdown
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:42 am
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
alexftbl8181 wrote:Camden wrote:Here's some Cauley-Stein pre-season tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szAZy-PJVpE
Looks like a perfect fit for Ricky on offense. Potential to be an All-NBA type defender at center. Him and Dieng both actually.
maybe in a few years, but not as a rookie lets be real
I don't recall ever saying he'd be All-NBA defender immediately. That's what that "potential" word means.
alexftbl8181 wrote:Camden wrote:alexftbl8181 wrote:Camden wrote:So... Still hypothetically speaking...
2014 Timberwolves could look like...
PG: Rubio/Blake
SG: Martin/Brewer
SF: Deng/Budinger/Muhammad
PF: Love/Cunningham
C: Cauley-Stein/Dieng/Turiaf
Seems like your just tweeking our strength without addressing the real problem. don't see how that makes us better.
Well, since our starting lineup is the strength I assume you're referring to, then yes it would be a tweek. I think that unit would actually be better than our current one due to the defensive upgrades in Deng and WCS, while it doesn't lose much offensive punch. That's been one of my arguments against trading Pekovic, because we can't lose offense in any deal we throw him in. That's the way our lineup has to be when Rubio's our starting PG.
Wouldn't Blake/Brewer be much better than Barea/Bud in the bench's backcourt? Like I said, that second unit still wouldn't be top-10 in the NBA, but I do believe it would be good enough to keep leads intact for the starters whereas that's not the case right now. Our bench sucks ass.
Yea Pek and Deng score about the same...except Deng shoots 43% and pek shoots 53%. So Deng needs more shots to get there, which means taking shots away from Love. You also now ask Love to be the teams only offensive post threat. Your not running plays for Deing or Turiaf. So Love either gets beat up everynight being the teams only post player, or he says F it and hangs around the 3 point line leaving the wolves with no spacing
Okay and Cauley-Stein/Dieng would likely shoot around 50%+, which would be better than Brewer's efficiency. There's give-and-take everywhere. Point is, I don't think the offense takes as much of a hit as you're thinking, while the defense looks pretty good given a head coach that isn't Adelman.
What's wrong with Love being the only post threat? He's a power forward, and at times I wish he'd act more like it. I love that he can make threes anywhere on the floor, but forcing him on the block more often isn't necessarily a bad thing. Keep in mind that a part of the reason he hangs around the 3P line so much is because we do have Pek and we're not a great 3P shooting team, thus Love stays on the perimeter to create space down low for Pek. If there was no Pek, I'd bet that Love would be on the block more often.
Like I said, Pek for Deng is the only Pek trade idea that I've liked and approved. I still don't know for sure if CLE would do it, but it's very intriguing in my opinion.