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JasonIsDaMan wrote:I don't know if we are going to get anywhere, because I don't think there's a ton of quality players who want to stay on a 96 loss team, and I don't think guys at that level think "Well, I'm Home Grown, so what right do I have to comment?".

I think Free Agents sign the best money deal they can, only let other factors come into play when the money is close, and understand that business concerns will drive how long they stay.

Once again, the Twins biggest problem to Free Agents is their habit of being outbid. That's really it. The largest contract to a non-home-grown player is $48m. The Yankees pay the locker room attendant that much.

As far as Dozier/Rosario, all I can say is that if Rosario is in Rochester on July 31th with a .800 OPS, playing defense, and peeing all proper, one of them has to be moved.

Here you go again. Lol you're not even on the same wavelength with me right now, Jason. I'm talking about a potential free agent and you keep talking about the current player getting traded. Doesn't make any sense.

FAs do take the best money deal most of the time. When it's close, other factors come into play, like you said. Those factors usually are: chance to win, location, commitment to players and others depending on other circumstances. The bolded being my point of emphasis.

Being outbid or just being cheap, free agency isn't usually a period where the Twins make signings. We agree on that much I think.

Why would one of them have to be moved? Rosario can play 2B and OF. Makes no sense to move one just because. Dozier could play 2B like he does now. Willingham and Doumit could get traded at the deadline, Rosario could play LF and have Arcia DH. I don't see why the Twins would HAVE to do any trads involving Rosario or Dozier. (Unless what we're receiving is too good to turn down)

I understand you are making a distinction. I am REJECTING that that distinction exists. I think that a guy predisposed to thinking trading him is dirty pool, unless of course he wants to leave, is going to think that wherever he is in the process. If you are old enough to remember Frank Viola's time here, and you spent more than 45 seconds in his presence, you are not surprised by anything he said or did at any point in his time here. Tom Kelly tells a story about how Frank refused to pitch his first day in Orlando because he told Kelly he needed an "orientation" day. He had yet to throw his first major league pitch. The moral of the story: A guy who feels entitled feels entitled, and a player who gets it gets it. And those guys either produce or they don't.

COMMITMENT TO PLAYERS. Great. I'll play Nick Saban with you. What does that mean? To some, like Johan, it means paying them $25m a year and then paying the other 24 $24m each, and one of them has to be Luis Castillo, you know, because they're tight. Are the Twins going to do that too? Morale of that story: It's a bland term that means what it means to whoever saying it and means what it means to whoever is hearing it. You're either playing winning baseball or you're not, and if you're not, you have to start. Soon.

If a guy has spent 80 or more games playing GREAT triple A ball, and if there is a place on the 25 man roster of the team that plays their home games at Target Field, then yes, keep him. But they don't throw a parade for the AAA World Series, and they don't give speeches at the AAA Hall of Fame.