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khans2k5 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:Fuck Kevin Durant that's what I have to say. He has ruined the playoffs for the foreseeable future with his wimpy move and now we have the news that he is open to taking a small paycut to stay with GSW. I will give him credit for 0.3 rings he wins this year I don't care how salty it sounds it's honestly all he deserves

I agree, Bloop. I like Paul Pierce's comment the other day that Durant signing with the Warriors is like the guy who gets beat up by a gang of bullies and then joins the gang rather than standing up to them. It's a highly imperfect analogy, but I still like it. Bottom line is that Durant's decision was, as you characterized it, wimpy. I hate watching him pump his fist or flex after hittting a string of buckets. It's like joining the Harlem Globtrotter and then celebrating after a dunk against the Washington Generals. I'd be embarrassed if I were him. Giving three-tenths credit for the ring he'll get this year is generous.

Fuck that. He's playing Lebron James in his prime. The Washington Generals. Are you kidding me? LeBron has had a free trip to the finals for 7 years because of that wimpy conference and he's created his own super teams joining the Heat with Wade and Bosh and then Cleveland with Kyrie and then getting Love. None of that has affected his legacy in the slightest. Why should it affect KD? This notion that it's better to get beat over and over again and fail than ever succeed is dumb. At the end of the day it's about winning and he might go down as the best player in this series if he keeps playing the way he is and that would prove he more than deserved this title. There's never been a finals MVP that didn't deserve that title.

So why didn't KD join the Wizards or Boston then? He had multiple already playoff teams he could have elevated to legit title contender but instead he decides to go to the team that he was up 3-1 on and collapsed because Durant decided to play hero ball and OKC fell apart. Durant lost them that series and then joins them, a 73 win team arguably the 2nd best player in the NBA joining that. Why you would compare that to Lebron joining a team in Miami that was bounced in the first round the prior season. Lebron created his super teams Durant decided to add himself to a super team that already existed so that's a terrible comparison. It will forever tarnish his legacy and is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen in terms of player movement in any major sport. Durant can have his crackerjack box quality ring in the eyes of his peers if that makes him feel better, no matter how many rings he wins the fact that he took the easiest path possible will always hang over him. If you think he has a chance to be the best player in the series khan just make sure you don't forget it's because he took over Harrison fucking Barnes role, not exactly a lot of pressure and an easy path to skyrocketing efficiency.

Bullshit he only took over Harrison Barnes' role. He came into that team and instantly planted himself as the best player on that team. Going to the East would have been just as damaging with bullshit running away from the Warriors story lines. There was no good way to leave OKC and he was never going to win while there because of the supporting cast. If you lose in every scenario except 1 you pick that 1 and he did. Why is Durant joining the Warriors so much worse than the Celtics and Lakers of the 80's winning titles with 3-4 HOF's on each team. They were just as stacked as this Warriors team so why doesn't that hurt Larry or Magic or Kareem's legacy? Your Miami example is bullshit as well because Miami being a first round exit stopped mattering the second they landed Bosh first. LeBron joined his HoF buddies in Miami for not 1, not 2, not 3,4,5,6. That's just not joining a first round exit team so to write it off as that is just trying to make your argument look better with bullshit. LeBron took the easiest path in Miami and came out a winner. Durant will be the same in 3-4-5 years.

BloopOracle wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:Fuck Kevin Durant that's what I have to say. He has ruined the playoffs for the foreseeable future with his wimpy move and now we have the news that he is open to taking a small paycut to stay with GSW. I will give him credit for 0.3 rings he wins this year I don't care how salty it sounds it's honestly all he deserves

I agree, Bloop. I like Paul Pierce's comment the other day that Durant signing with the Warriors is like the guy who gets beat up by a gang of bullies and then joins the gang rather than standing up to them. It's a highly imperfect analogy, but I still like it. Bottom line is that Durant's decision was, as you characterized it, wimpy. I hate watching him pump his fist or flex after hittting a string of buckets. It's like joining the Harlem Globtrotter and then celebrating after a dunk against the Washington Generals. I'd be embarrassed if I were him. Giving three-tenths credit for the ring he'll get this year is generous.

Fuck that. He's playing Lebron James in his prime. The Washington Generals. Are you kidding me? LeBron has had a free trip to the finals for 7 years because of that wimpy conference and he's created his own super teams joining the Heat with Wade and Bosh and then Cleveland with Kyrie and then getting Love. None of that has affected his legacy in the slightest. Why should it affect KD? This notion that it's better to get beat over and over again and fail than ever succeed is dumb. At the end of the day it's about winning and he might go down as the best player in this series if he keeps playing the way he is and that would prove he more than deserved this title. There's never been a finals MVP that didn't deserve that title.

So why didn't KD join the Wizards or Boston then? He had multiple already playoff teams he could have elevated to legit title contender but instead he decides to go to the team that he was up 3-1 on and collapsed because Durant decided to play hero ball and OKC fell apart. Durant lost them that series and then joins them, a 73 win team arguably the 2nd best player in the NBA joining that. Why you would compare that to Lebron joining a team in Miami that was bounced in the first round the prior season. Lebron created his super teams Durant decided to add himself to a super team that already existed so that's a terrible comparison. It will forever tarnish his legacy and is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen in terms of player movement in any major sport. Durant can have his crackerjack box quality ring in the eyes of his peers if that makes him feel better, no matter how many rings he wins the fact that he took the easiest path possible will always hang over him. If you think he has a chance to be the best player in the series khan just make sure you don't forget it's because he took over Harrison fucking Barnes role, not exactly a lot of pressure and an easy path to skyrocketing efficiency.

Bullshit he only took over Harrison Barnes' role. He came into that team and instantly planted himself as the best player on that team. Going to the East would have been just as damaging with bullshit running away from the Warriors story lines. There was no good way to leave OKC and he was never going to win while there because of the supporting cast. If you lose in every scenario except 1 you pick that 1 and he did. Why is Durant joining the Warriors so much worse than the Celtics and Lakers of the 80's winning titles with 3-4 HOF's on each team. They were just as stacked as this Warriors team so why doesn't that hurt Larry or Magic or Kareem's legacy? Your Miami example is bullshit as well because Miami being a first round exit stopped mattering the second they landed Bosh first. LeBron joined his HoF buddies in Miami for not 1, not 2, not 3,4,5,6. That's just not joining a first round exit team so to write it off as that is just trying to make your argument look better with bullshit. LeBron took the easiest path in Miami and came out a winner. Durant will be the same in 3-4-5 years.

Going anywhere besides GSW wouldn't have been anywhere near as damaging, for god's sake use some basic context skills and be able to tell the difference between a 73 win team who had just won the year before and were a game away from back to back titles and every other team besides Cle. Then you name Magic and Bird two players drafted by and who won with their respective teams, you shouldn't need me to explain why that is different to you. Lebron, Bosh, and Wade collaborated on this move years before it actually even happened it's well documented so Bosh signing before Lebron doesn't really mean anything . You are correct Lebron and his buddies joined to go for 1,2, 3 etc. Durant however joined a team that had already went for 1, ALMOST 2 and that came with the greatest season in history, very different timelines. Lebron did not join the Celtics so no it wasn't the easiest path and Durant will never be anywhere near the same 3-4-5 or even 10 years from now. Just terrible comparisons all around from you trying to reach for anything remotely similar to as weak as what Durant did.

BloopOracle wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:Fuck Kevin Durant that's what I have to say. He has ruined the playoffs for the foreseeable future with his wimpy move and now we have the news that he is open to taking a small paycut to stay with GSW. I will give him credit for 0.3 rings he wins this year I don't care how salty it sounds it's honestly all he deserves

I agree, Bloop. I like Paul Pierce's comment the other day that Durant signing with the Warriors is like the guy who gets beat up by a gang of bullies and then joins the gang rather than standing up to them. It's a highly imperfect analogy, but I still like it. Bottom line is that Durant's decision was, as you characterized it, wimpy. I hate watching him pump his fist or flex after hittting a string of buckets. It's like joining the Harlem Globtrotter and then celebrating after a dunk against the Washington Generals. I'd be embarrassed if I were him. Giving three-tenths credit for the ring he'll get this year is generous.

Fuck that. He's playing Lebron James in his prime. The Washington Generals. Are you kidding me? LeBron has had a free trip to the finals for 7 years because of that wimpy conference and he's created his own super teams joining the Heat with Wade and Bosh and then Cleveland with Kyrie and then getting Love. None of that has affected his legacy in the slightest. Why should it affect KD? This notion that it's better to get beat over and over again and fail than ever succeed is dumb. At the end of the day it's about winning and he might go down as the best player in this series if he keeps playing the way he is and that would prove he more than deserved this title. There's never been a finals MVP that didn't deserve that title.

So why didn't KD join the Wizards or Boston then? He had multiple already playoff teams he could have elevated to legit title contender but instead he decides to go to the team that he was up 3-1 on and collapsed because Durant decided to play hero ball and OKC fell apart. Durant lost them that series and then joins them, a 73 win team arguably the 2nd best player in the NBA joining that. Why you would compare that to Lebron joining a team in Miami that was bounced in the first round the prior season. Lebron created his super teams Durant decided to add himself to a super team that already existed so that's a terrible comparison. It will forever tarnish his legacy and is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen in terms of player movement in any major sport. Durant can have his crackerjack box quality ring in the eyes of his peers if that makes him feel better, no matter how many rings he wins the fact that he took the easiest path possible will always hang over him. If you think he has a chance to be the best player in the series khan just make sure you don't forget it's because he took over Harrison fucking Barnes role, not exactly a lot of pressure and an easy path to skyrocketing efficiency.

Bullshit he only took over Harrison Barnes' role. He came into that team and instantly planted himself as the best player on that team. Going to the East would have been just as damaging with bullshit running away from the Warriors story lines. There was no good way to leave OKC and he was never going to win while there because of the supporting cast. If you lose in every scenario except 1 you pick that 1 and he did. Why is Durant joining the Warriors so much worse than the Celtics and Lakers of the 80's winning titles with 3-4 HOF's on each team. They were just as stacked as this Warriors team so why doesn't that hurt Larry or Magic or Kareem's legacy? Your Miami example is bullshit as well because Miami being a first round exit stopped mattering the second they landed Bosh first. LeBron joined his HoF buddies in Miami for not 1, not 2, not 3,4,5,6. That's just not joining a first round exit team so to write it off as that is just trying to make your argument look better with bullshit. LeBron took the easiest path in Miami and came out a winner. Durant will be the same in 3-4-5 years.

Going anywhere besides GSW wouldn't have been anywhere near as damaging, for god's sake use some basic context skills and be able to tell the difference between a 73 win team who had just won the year before and were a game away from back to back titles and every other team besides Cle. Then you name Magic and Bird two players drafted by and who won with their respective teams, you shouldn't need me to explain why that is different to you. Lebron, Bosh, and Wade collaborated on this move years before it actually even happened it's well documented so Bosh signing before Lebron doesn't really mean anything . You are correct Lebron and his buddies joined to go for 1,2, 3 etc. Durant however joined a team that had already went for 1, ALMOST 2 and that came with the greatest season in history, very different timelines. Lebron did not join the Celtics so no it wasn't the easiest path and Durant will never be anywhere near the same 3-4-5 or even 10 years from now. Just terrible comparisons all around from you trying to reach for anything remotely similar to as weak as what Durant did.

Q12543 wrote:But he won't be Bird and Magic in that those guys won titles with the teams that drafted them. And their GMs used a series of smart moves and draft picks to build around them. It's simply not a valid comparison.

I think it's possible to view Durant as one of the NBAs all-time greats while also hating his move to Golden State at the same time. Did he have every right to make that move? Absolutely. But do fans have every right to feel like he wussed out by joining literally the best regular season team ever? Absolutely. And I'm one of them!

monsterpile wrote:How much should Michael Jordon be ripped for giving up on his team to go play baseball for a year and a half?

Q12543 wrote:But he won't be Bird and Magic in that those guys won titles with the teams that drafted them. And their GMs used a series of smart moves and draft picks to build around them. It's simply not a valid comparison.

I think it's possible to view Durant as one of the NBAs all-time greats while also hating his move to Golden State at the same time. Did he have every right to make that move? Absolutely. But do fans have every right to feel like he wussed out by joining literally the best regular season team ever? Absolutely. And I'm one of them!

monsterpile wrote:How much should Michael Jordon be ripped for giving up on his team to go play baseball for a year and a half?

khans2k5 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:But he won't be Bird and Magic in that those guys won titles with the teams that drafted them. And their GMs used a series of smart moves and draft picks to build around them. It's simply not a valid comparison.

I think it's possible to view Durant as one of the NBAs all-time greats while also hating his move to Golden State at the same time. Did he have every right to make that move? Absolutely. But do fans have every right to feel like he wussed out by joining literally the best regular season team ever? Absolutely. And I'm one of them!

This context you guys believe will be a stain on his career just won't when he hangs it up. I've not heard once that Magic and Bird's titles are more legitimate than say Lebron's or Kareem's titles with multiple teams because Magic and Bird got them all with the team who drafted them. That's never been a thing. It won't be a thing. It's just a thing now because people are butt hurt he chose winning over losing. Next time you get your dream job offer, make sure you turn it down to keep doing what you're doing. That's what you were expecting him to do so it's only fair.